MHC Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Why is it that Nigel Pearson will be the best man to lead a promotion push next season? There is not a shred of evidence to suggest he will (or won't in the interest of fairness). In my lifetime I have seen the loyalty approach fail more times then it has succeeded, I can only think of one person who has got a team relegated from the Premier League and promoted from the Championship in back to back seasons. Alan Curbishley at Charlton. Failed attempts include Mickey Adams at Leicester, Paul Jewell at Derby, Ole Gunnar Solskjaer at Cardiff, Felix Magath at Fulham. Can anybody add to these lists or provide any evidence to support this theory that doesn't involve dwelling on the past?
Babylon Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Paul Jewell at Derby, Ole Gunnar Solskjaer at Cardiff, Felix Magath at Fulham. They weren't their teams though were they? They may have got them relegated but they never got them promoted in the first place. The managers that get teams promoted and stay with them after they go down are few and far between. Personally, I don't understand why failing to stay up with a promoted team is the instantly sackable offence that most seem to think it is. Do I think Pearson will guarantee promoted if we go down, not at all. What I'd expect us to be is competitive and at the right end of the league.
Guest Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 He knows his players, he knows the owners, he knows football. Keep him. Good things will eventually happen (again).
ousefox Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 We should keep the majority of the squad he got playing fantastic stuff last season. He didn't just get promoted last season, he won the league in a way we haven't seen before. In every full season he's been at the club, he's finished higher in the league than the previous season. If he could pick us up from that Watford defeat, I'm sure he can pick us up from relegation. I can't think of many other decent managers out there who could replace him or our impressive scouting team.
MHC Posted 16 February 2015 Author Posted 16 February 2015 They weren't their teams though were they? They may have got them relegated but they never got them promoted in the first place. The managers that get teams promoted and stay with them after they go down are few and far between. Personally, I don't understand why failing to stay up with a promoted team is the instantly sackable offence that most seem to think it is. Do I think Pearson will guarantee promoted if we go down, not at all. What I'd expect us to be is competitive and at the right end of the league. Ok I get your point and this isn't intended to be a Pearson bashing thread, I just want someone to provide a valid argument to stick with Pearson and this is one that many choose, though I'm not completely sold on it. You're correct about those managers listed but what about the likes of Adrian Boothroyd and Watford?
dannythefox Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Why is it that Nigel Pearson will be the best man to lead a promotion push next season? There is not a shred of evidence to suggest he will (or won't in the interest of fairness). In my lifetime I have seen the loyalty approach fail more times then it has succeeded, I can only think of one person who has got a team relegated from the Premier League and promoted from the Championship in back to back seasons. Alan Curbishley at Charlton. Failed attempts include Mickey Adams at Leicester, Paul Jewell at Derby, Ole Gunnar Solskjaer at Cardiff, Felix Magath at Fulham. Can anybody add to these lists or provide any evidence to support this theory that doesn't involve dwelling on the past? I think you need to ask yourself why wouldn't you want Pearson? He's knows what it takes to win the league for a start, if we keep most of our players we've a good chance of coming straight back he knows the players better than anyone. Also we've only been out the championship one season so not much will of changed that's why others struggle to get straight back when they've played prem for 5-6 seasons or more.
Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Why is it that Nigel Pearson will be the best man to lead a promotion push next season? There is not a shred of evidence to suggest he will (or won't in the interest of fairness). In my lifetime I have seen the loyalty approach fail more times then it has succeeded, I can only think of one person who has got a team relegated from the Premier League and promoted from the Championship in back to back seasons. Alan Curbishley at Charlton. Failed attempts include Mickey Adams at Leicester, Paul Jewell at Derby, Ole Gunnar Solskjaer at Cardiff, Felix Magath at Fulham. Can anybody add to these lists or provide any evidence to support this theory that doesn't involve dwelling on the past? There's no denying his outstanding record of managing us outside of the Premier League - top of League One at first time of asking followed by Championship play-off finish. Another Champ play-off finish (despite a terrible run of form that lasted over 2 months) followed by absolutely blitzing the league, beating loads of club records in the process - if we keep Pearson till the end of season and get relegated, we might as well keep hold of him unless he has a 'mare of a start next season. He knows his Championship onions.
MHC Posted 16 February 2015 Author Posted 16 February 2015 Most of the arguments provided so far have involved dwelling on what has happened in previous years and thus completely irrelevant. Just because Pearson has a good record in the Championship doesn't mean we will get promoted or even finish in the top six. There isn't really anything to back up this theory.
Mark_w Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Ok I get your point and this isn't intended to be a Pearson bashing thread, I just want someone to provide a valid argument to stick with Pearson and this is one that many choose, though I'm not completely sold on it. You're correct about those managers listed but what about the likes of Adrian Boothroyd and Watford? Every full season he's had in charge of Leicester City he's finished in the top six. He played a huge role in constructing the Hull side that Steve Bruce took up and obviously the Leicester side that stormed the league with 102 points under him. I don't see how anyone can think, at this stage, that we could attract a manager with a better record in the Championship. He knows how to get sides battling in and around the top six in that league, where as the owners on the evidence of their first two appointments don't really know what to do when they're looking for a manager, it's pretty obvious that should we go down Nigel Pearson is by far the most likely option to take us up.
wight88 Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Peter Reid took Sunderland down in 97, they then lost the playoff final the next year to then be followed by tearing up the championship with 100 odd points. Then finishing 7th in the prem for the next two years.All with the same fella in charge as Superkev will confirm.
5waller5 Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 My prediction is that we'll be about 8th around end of November and sack him then. By then the best we can hope for is the play offs and the new manager will have an almighty building job on his hands to get the ingrained negativity out of the players. Promotion gave us a bright few games with the momentum in our favour and until NP went all negative it was getting us some great performances. Now he's turned negative, we're rock bottom and seem to be destined to stay that way we'll have the reverse momentum - a losing one and a negative one. That's not something that NP can turn around imho.
Babylon Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Ok I get your point and this isn't intended to be a Pearson bashing thread, I just want someone to provide a valid argument to stick with Pearson and this is one that many choose, though I'm not completely sold on it. You're correct about those managers listed but what about the likes of Adrian Boothroyd and Watford? They are his players, another man will most probably want a whole new set. With that, you could lose to team spirit and the team bond. Which, as we've seen over the years is not always easy to get. Pearson will always create a tight unit of players that fight for each other. The whole set up of the club from scouting to sports science has been instigated by Pearson or comes with Pearsons team. If he left, there is a strong chance the whole team will also. We've always been competitive under him in the Championship and I think he's a proven good championship manager with us, several times over. He and the players have a history of picking themselves up after a devastating season. The Watford defeat was something we all thought we cripple us, bit it didn't. There are a few things for starters, before anyone says anything. I've been asked for reasons as to why he should stay alone. I'm well aware there are negatives that come with Pearson.
Mark_w Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Most of the arguments provided so far have involved dwelling on what has happened in previous years and thus completely irrelevant. Just because Pearson has a good record in the Championship doesn't mean we will get promoted or even finish in the top six. There isn't really anything to back up this theory. That is the stupidest thing I've ever read. Of course his record in the Championship is relevant to whether or not he can perform well in the Championship. Should nobody at the top end of a European league appoint Mourinho because there's no proof he'll do it again? Should relegation threatened Premier League sides not appoint Tony Pulis because there's no proof he'll do it again? I mean, I find it difficult to believe you're not trolling so there's some comfort in that, but if you genuinely believe a manager's track record is irrelevant when discussing their chances of success, then, wow. Let's go and get Peter Taylor, there's no proof he'll be shit again.
5waller5 Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 The other problem with keeping him .... How many people will feel positive about the club?? He's not exactly got a great following even during the best of times - get us relegated and I think we'll have a huge drop off in numbers following the club and buying from the shop..... The economics, for me, suggest getting rid as a better option.
Babylon Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Most of the arguments provided so far have involved dwelling on what has happened in previous years and thus completely irrelevant. Just because Pearson has a good record in the Championship doesn't mean we will get promoted or even finish in the top six. There isn't really anything to back up this theory. Of course it's based on previous years, why would we base what he can do in the Championship on what he's done in the premier league.
nettle Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 I honestly think if we go down the way we are we won't come back up with Pearson in charge. The best players we have will go so a rebuilding of the squad will need to take place. Also the confidence of some the players left will be shot to pieces I.e Drinkwater, Moore etc. Some of these players may well look at Pearson in a different light the aura around him probably will have gone in there eyes.
davieG Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Most of the arguments provided so far have involved dwelling on what has happened in previous years and thus completely irrelevant. Just because Pearson has a good record in the Championship doesn't mean we will get promoted or even finish in the top six. There isn't really anything to back up this theory. Wouldn't that apply to any manager you might want to replace him with?
ousefox Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Most of the arguments provided so far have involved dwelling on what has happened in previous years and thus completely irrelevant. Just because Pearson has a good record in the Championship doesn't mean we will get promoted or even finish in the top six. There isn't really anything to back up this theory. so you can no longer base predictions on past evidence? Heard it all now.
Babylon Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 The other problem with keeping him .... How many people will feel positive about the club?? He's not exactly got a great following even during the best of times - get us relegated and I think we'll have a huge drop off in numbers following the club and buying from the shop..... The economics, for me, suggest getting rid as a better option. I seem to remember lots of people saying this before after our bad run... it didn't happen, average crowds went up the next season. If we're winning people will go.
Mark_w Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 The other problem with keeping him .... How many people will feel positive about the club?? He's not exactly got a great following even during the best of times - get us relegated and I think we'll have a huge drop off in numbers following the club and buying from the shop..... The economics, for me, suggest getting rid as a better option. Yeah over 50% of us seem to want him to stay when we're losing every week, I can't see that being a huge problem in the Championship when we're winning again. And I'd guess that those people who want him to stay, like myself, won't feel that positive about the club if we ditch him. I'll be going whatever, but it's obvious that crowd numbers are going to dip back to Championship levels if we're in the Championship regardless of the manager.
Babylon Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 I honestly think if we go down the way we are we won't come back up with Pearson in charge. The best players we have will go so a rebuilding of the squad will need to take place. Also the confidence of some the players left will be shot to pieces I.e Drinkwater, Moore etc. Some of these players may well look at Pearson in a different light the aura around him probably will have gone in there eyes. What players will go? Mahrez? Schlupp? Ulloa? Ulloa wasn't here, Schlupp wasn't a regular, Mahrez only came in the Jan transfer window. The core of the team that got us promoted would still be here, presuming they are wanted. The other points could be potentially correct, but the players all seem with Pearson still.
SpacedX Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 The whole set up of the club from scouting to sports science has been instigated by Pearson or comes with Pearsons team. If he left, there is a strong chance the whole team will also. How? In what way? Who?
5waller5 Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 I seem to remember lots of people saying this before after our bad run... it didn't happen, average crowds went up the next season. If we're winning people will go. I don't agree ..... After a relegation numbers are going to fall. I think they'll fall less with a new man in charge. Let's face it it's going to be pretty dour stuff unless he has another change of heart on how to play football.
David Hankey Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Start afresh, that's what we need to do with a manager who has failed this season. Forget what was achieved in League 1 and the Championship all that is confined to the history books. It's all to do with the here and now and Pearson has confirmed he is not a Premiership manager in terms of results. Why is it some folk reckon he is the best thing since sliced bread and that we should stick with him?
5waller5 Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 What players will go? Mahrez? Schlupp? Ulloa? Ulloa wasn't here, Schlupp wasn't a regular, Mahrez only came in the Jan transfer window. The core of the team that got us promoted would still be here, presuming they are wanted. The other points could be potentially correct, but the players all seem with Pearson still. I'd agree with this until Sunday .... I just didn't think that was a side that backed their manager anymore.
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