Kitchandro Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 So ok, let's say we come straight back up. Do we sack him at the end of next season? Surely, if you choose to keep Pearson for the logic he's got the credentials to get us promoted, you would choose to get rid of him before the Premier League campaign for the logic that he's proved a failure at that level?
hackneyfox Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 So ok, let's say we come straight back up. Do we sack him at the end of next season? Surely, if you choose to keep Pearson for the logic he's got the credentials to get us promoted, you would choose to get rid of him before the Premier League campaign for the logic that he's proved a failure at that level? If he had shown that he's improved as a manger over this season there could be an argument from some to keep him. I fail to see any improvement in him and as a team we seem to have gone backwards.
foxfanazer Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 So ok, let's say we come straight back up. Do we sack him at the end of next season? Surely, if you choose to keep Pearson for the logic he's got the credentials to get us promoted, you would choose to get rid of him before the Premier League campaign for the logic that he's proved a failure at that level? To be honest I'd probably say yes to that. Obviously depending on who would be available. I'm a fan of NP but letting him have another go at the Prem with us would be a risk imo. Not giving him another shot at the championship would be just as bad
Babylon Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 After yesterday's abject performance I'm not sure the players are behind him. You can't just say after every bad performance they are no longer with him. It's been like this all season. Couple of bad performances, a good performance with a shitty result and so on. So ok, let's say we come straight back up. Do we sack him at the end of next season? No, of course not. But you'd certainly be more open to a quick change than this time around.
kingfox Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 I must have checked your username 5 times to make sure it was you. A fair and balanced post. Maybe because you finally decided to take notice, of one of many fair and balanced posts I've drawn up in recent months
inckley fox Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 And who knows who will want out, nobody has a clue. It's just bloody doomsday on here again with people throwing every name into the hat of people who will go without a clue. We could potentially field the same team as this season for all we know barring one or two. Surely we have a very good clue. It's highly likely we'll lose Mahrez, Kramaric, and there must be a good chance that someone will come in for Schlupp. Cambiasso, Wasilewski, Upson, Konchesky are all in their mid-30s and their contracts are coming to an end. Knockaert's and Hammond's contracts are also up in the summer. It's highly unlikely that the older players will go on being effective next season, especially when some of them have been so questionable this season and, in some cases, last season. I'm sure some of those nine names will remain at the club. But they account for over half of our starting line-up for the past few games and there are very good reasons to believe they might be on their way. There will either be a major restructuring or we'll be playing an ancient side in the hope that Upson or Konchesky can still, against the odds, pull it off at the age of god knows what.
foxfanazer Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Surely we have a very good clue. It's highly likely we'll lose Mahrez, Kramaric, and there must be a good chance that someone will come in for Schlupp. Cambiasso, Wasilewski, Upson, Konchesky are all in their mid-30s and their contracts are coming to an end. Knockaert's and Hammond's contracts are also up in the summer. It's highly unlikely that the older players will go on being effective next season, especially when some of them have been so questionable this season and, in some cases, last season. I'm sure some of those nine names will remain at the club. But they account for over half of our starting line-up for the past few games and there are very good reasons to believe they might be on their way. There will either be a major restructuring or we'll be playing an ancient side in the hope that Upson or Konchesky can still, against the odds, pull it off at the age of god knows what. Got a strange feeling we can keep Kramaric, have no idea why.Mahrez is a certainty to go along with Kasper imo. Our front line would still be strong with Ulloa, Vardy and Nugent Hamer would be a good keeper at that level. James, King and Drinkwater would be solid. Would need to massively strengthen our defence though
Jmd88 Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 I'll tell you now drinkwater, James and mahrez are going end of the season
foxfanazer Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 I'll tell you now drinkwater, James and mahrez are going end of the seasonJames could possibly get interest from a prem club but i don't think Drinkwater will go
Finn Claw II Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Is there a better club for Schlupp than us? He's playing regularly for the first time in his career. I think another season with us is what he needs regardless of the division. As for Albrigton he signed a 4 year contract. The back 5 needs work regardless of the division we are in next season. We will have shit loads of money from parachute payments and player sales. The current set-up has spent well (arguably we should have spent more upgrading the defence). Sherwood and Pulis were rralisitic options to replace NP I'm not sure who is really a good option
Guest Col city fan Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 No-one has the faintest clue who we would keep, who we would sign, who the manager would be etc etc. We still have games to play this season too. Talk about speculating. Christ. Let's hope we can turn this mess around first eh.
teblin Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 No-one has the faintest clue who we would keep, who we would sign, who the manager would be etc etc. We still have games to play this season too. Talk about speculating. Christ. Let's hope we can turn this mess around first eh. Agree completely!!!! We have winnable games at home, we just need to start doing so.
fleckneymike Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 This season we've gotten worse, not better. The entire logic of Pearson will learn is predicated by the fact that as he'll learn and improve, the evidence of this season doesn't bear that out. Other sides have learn't, other sides have improved, we haven't, we've regressed. I posted many moons ago that last season we benefitted from having better players, that we'd never seemingly had to out think our opponents rather we'd simply steam rollered them with better players. This season when nouse and tactics have been needed we've come up short every single time. I am grateful for what Pearson achieved last season, I am not at all grateful for what has happened this season.
inckley fox Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 No-one has the faintest clue who we would keep, who we would sign, who the manager would be etc etc. We still have games to play this season too. Talk about speculating. Christ. Let's hope we can turn this mess around first eh. I don't know, the age of certain players, the fact that contracts are going to expire, the high profile of Mahrez and Kramaric... we have some ideas.
Jmd88 Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 James could possibly get interest from a prem club but i don't think Drinkwater will go
cjslcfc Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 This season his past successes are irrelevant, get relegated and keep him then his past successes become relevant again. We will lose some players, but I can see most of the squad remaining, and on paper we would have an excellent Championship standard squad. You look at this season though and on paper, you could say Cardiff and Wigan have pretty strong squads for Championship level; however both of which have looked poor this season. Come next season and if he is still here, he will have to install confidence back in the side, he did it when we lost to Watford in the play-offs, but if we find ourselves mid table by October next season, then it will be the right time to say goodbye. Great post. The only thing I'd say about Cardiff and Wigan is that we hopefully will be in a different situation to them. Solskjaer hadn't got a clue how to run a Championship club and get it to compete at the top, despite the quality squad at that level. Not sure what's happened at Wigan but the new manager there has hardly helped either! Added to that Norwich, who changed to Neil Adams towards the end of last season, had struggled despite having a very good squad as well. Now with the right man in charge they are pushing up the table. Personally, we have to look at it from the point of view of being relegated. If we got the right man to replace Nige then it may well be a sensible option. Otherwise it seems counter-intuitive to throw away someone who has the experience and achievements to succeed in the Championship like Pearson does. You'd have to get a damn good replacement to get near to what he has achieved in the Championship (and most of those men will probably end up in the Premier League next season!). As you say, if we get relegated then what he has done in the past becomes completely relevant to our situation.
Jmd88 Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Well I know Everton wanted drinkwater at the start of the season and Pearson wouldn't let him leave. And there still interested and James and mahrez are going defiantly
Babylon Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Surely we have a very good clue. It's highly likely we'll lose Mahrez, Kramaric, and there must be a good chance that someone will come in for Schlupp. Cambiasso, Wasilewski, Upson, Konchesky are all in their mid-30s and their contracts are coming to an end. Knockaert's and Hammond's contracts are also up in the summer. It's highly unlikely that the older players will go on being effective next season, especially when some of them have been so questionable this season and, in some cases, last season. I'm sure some of those nine names will remain at the club. But they account for over half of our starting line-up for the past few games and there are very good reasons to believe they might be on their way. There will either be a major restructuring or we'll be playing an ancient side in the hope that Upson or Konchesky can still, against the odds, pull it off at the age of god knows what. You should probably go back a page or two, already been through this and list pretty much all of them.... but i'll say it again we could easily end up with almost the same team that stormed the championship last time. They'll be some coming, some going and a smaller squad. But hardly a massive restructuring.
cjslcfc Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Agree completely!!!! We have winnable games at home, we just need to start doing so. We've been saying this all season and we still manage to fvck them up!
MHC Posted 16 February 2015 Author Posted 16 February 2015 Agree completely!!!! We have winnable games at home, we just need to start doing so. We're down, accept it.
fleckneymike Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Great post. The only thing I'd say about Cardiff and Wigan is that we hopefully will be in a different situation to them. Solskjaer hadn't got a clue how to run a Championship club and get it to compete at the top, despite the quality squad at that level. Not sure what's happened at Wigan but the new manager there has hardly helped either! Added to that Norwich, who changed to Neil Adams towards the end of last season, had struggled despite having a very good squad as well. Now with the right man in charge they are pushing up the table. Personally, we have to look at it from the point of view of being relegated. If we got the right man to replace Nige then it may well be a sensible option. Otherwise it seems counter-intuitive to throw away someone who has the experience and achievements to succeed in the Championship like Pearson does. You'd have to get a damn good replacement to get near to what he has achieved in the Championship (and most of those men will probably end up in the Premier League next season!). As you say, if we get relegated then what he has done in the past becomes completely relevant to our situation. If, for the sake of argument, we go down and Pearson takes up back up again we'll find ourselves in the same situation. What is the point in keeping a man good enough for one level and not good enough for the other?
cullenfox Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 For the championship it would be better for us to keep Pearson. He's already proven that he can get the job done and with style (last season). Don't think we'll finish 1st again but I do think we'd have a good chance of making the play-offs.
the-blue-wildabeast Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 And who knows who will want out, nobody has a clue. It's just bloody doomsday on here again with people throwing every name into the hat of people who will go without a clue. We could potentially field the same team as this season for all we know barring one or two. Lets ****ing hope not.................
Izzy muzzit Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 PAY ATTENTION!!!!! 2008/9 season - Pearson appointed 2008/9 season - League one champions 2009/10 season - longest unbeaten home record IN THE COUNTRY! 2009/10 season - Championship playoffs 2011/12 season - 2nd spell, appointed in November (12th at the time), finished 9th. 2012/13 season - Championship playoffs 2013/14 season - Championship champions 2014-15 season - Premier league (at the mo!) I fail to see why everyone is so negative about Nigel! Yes he does come across appallingly at times but no one in their right mind can judge him on anything other than the football (see above). We have graced the premiership with our presence again FINALLY after a decade of Championship mediocrity and all people want to do is complain! Majority of these comments sound as though they have been read from a newspaper and frankly it is embarrassing! We are in the premier league, with a long way to go and a lot of points to play for. Most weeks we are competing against a well established team who for the last 10 years or so have been our superior. So why is it now OK to expect Leicester to surpass them? PEOPLE NEED TO BE REALISTIC! I understand that as fans we pay good money to go and watch but sport is never guaranteed. Regardless of the 'financial backing' we have been made aware of (majority of it is to stabilize and improve the club within the FFP laws not just a huge pot of cash for Nigel to spend!) Get behind the team and stop claiming to know what is best for the club! What will be will be lets at least go out with a fight! Also how cack was Upson on Saturday by the way?????????
Guest MattP Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 If, for the sake of argument, we go down and Pearson takes up back up again we'll find ourselves in the same situation. What is the point in keeping a man good enough for one level and not good enough for the other? I would totally understand after this season if they did that were we to come up. Sacking him if we go down this year would be bonkers though, he's clearly a man who knows the Championship inside out and knows exactly what is required to be successful in it.
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