ousefox Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Start afresh, that's what we need to do with a manager who has failed this season. Forget what was achieved in League 1 and the Championship all that is confined to the history books. It's all to do with the here and now and Pearson has confirmed he is not a Premiership manager in terms of results. Why is it some folk reckon he is the best thing since sliced bread and that we should stick with him? But he has confirmed he is a Championship manager, and that is the league we'll probably be in next season. If it isn't working out by November get rid, same applies if he takes us back up to the Prem again.
Lovejoy Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Why is it that Nigel Pearson will be the best man to lead a promotion push next season? There is not a shred of evidence to suggest he will (or won't in the interest of fairness). In my lifetime I have seen the loyalty approach fail more times then it has succeeded, I can only think of one person who has got a team relegated from the Premier League and promoted from the Championship in back to back seasons. Alan Curbishley at Charlton. Failed attempts include Mickey Adams at Leicester, Paul Jewell at Derby, Ole Gunnar Solskjaer at Cardiff, Felix Magath at Fulham. Can anybody add to these lists or provide any evidence to support this theory that doesn't involve dwelling on the past? Apart from getting promoted in two different stints as manager here . Sheer fact, not opinion.
Mark_w Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Start afresh, that's what we need to do with a manager who has failed this season. Forget what was achieved in League 1 and the Championship all that is confined to the history books. It's all to do with the here and now and Pearson has confirmed he is not a Premiership manager in terms of results. Why is it some folk reckon he is the best thing since sliced bread and that we should stick with him? I don't know about you but I'd quite like to get back to the Premier League and all the evidence suggests that Nigel Pearson is the best qualified man to do the job. You're really cutting your nose off to spite your face, if you want to sack a manager who has a brilliant record in the Championship, just before we enter the Championship, because you think he's not capable of managing in a division we won't be in.
Babylon Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 I don't agree ..... After a relegation numbers are going to fall. I think they'll fall less with a new man in charge. Let's face it it's going to be pretty dour stuff unless he has another change of heart on how to play football. Of course numbers will fall compared to this season. But, as I said this was all said before about Pearson... perhaps even by you, that after the bad run before the crowds will fall, fans don't want to go etc etc. All the idiots on here telling us they would never go again and all their friends will never go again... it was all rubbish. The following season we had out best numbers for years. Winning games does that.
ScouseFox Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 i think i prefer the pearson out threads than absolute nonsense threads like this.
Max Power Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 The players and manager won't be the same as last year. This shambles of a season will have affected all of them. Plus I'd imagine a few would leave. Schwarzer in nets as we lose away to Brentford opening day. Lovely. Get rid of him now and start the rebuilding for next year with a new man with new ideas.
Crinklyfox Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 The likely scenario if we are relegated is that most of the players who have demonstrated that they have the quality to play in the Premier League will go to other clubs. That will leave us with those who have not made the grade. No matter who our manager is it will be difficult to succeed under those conditions. We will have money from parachute payments and need a manager who can identify talented players with Premiership potential and attract them to the club without ruining the finances. NP has had some success in that regard already, which is a good reason to leave him in place. However, if the owners believe that NP himself does not have the capability to manage in the PL they may seek to replace him sooner rather than later, and make a 'clean slate' start to next season.
Mark_w Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 The players and manager won't be the same as last year. This shambles of a season will have affected all of them. Plus I'd imagine a few would leave. Schwarzer in nets as we lose away to Brentford opening day. Lovely. Get rid of him now and start the rebuilding for next year with a new man with new ideas. I don't know, I quite liked the man and ideas that got us 102 points last season.
Max Power Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 I don't know, I quite liked the man and ideas that got us 102 points last season. Last season. I can't see how you can think it'll be remotely the same next season after this embarrassing campaign.
Frost Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 They are his players, another man will most probably want a whole new set. With that, you could lose to team spirit and the team bond. Which, as we've seen over the years is not always easy to get. Pearson will always create a tight unit of players that fight for each other. The whole set up of the club from scouting to sports science has been instigated by Pearson or comes with Pearsons team. If he left, there is a strong chance the whole team will also. We've always been competitive under him in the Championship and I think he's a proven good championship manager with us, several times over. He and the players have a history of picking themselves up after a devastating season. The Watford defeat was something we all thought we cripple us, bit it didn't. There are a few things for starters, before anyone says anything. I've been asked for reasons as to why he should stay alone. I'm well aware there are negatives that come with Pearson. But this loyalty has almost certainly cost us our place in the Premier League. Now we're sticking with him because what, he might take us back up? A good Championship manager is a fair summary, but we've sacrificed this season. What happens if we get promoted next season? Will he be as stubborn in his second spell in the top flight? I'm very sceptical on keeping Pearson, and I was firmly supporting him up until the Villa performance. He's had an absolute nightmare this season. He's persisted with Morgan who has been sh*t, he dropped Hamer for no good reason (the less said about Schwarzer the better) and to be quite honest, he hasn't had a clue what his best 11 is. He played 5 at the back against Villa, who have 11 premier league goals all season, is that a joke? Abysmal. 1 substitution. Spouts the same crap every week post-match, its infuriating. I think a lot of patient fans have finally had enough.
Webbo Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Why have we got to judge Pearson on last season and not this?
Frost Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 You mention the scouting and the wonderful set-up, yet the manager can't even set-up the team, evidently. What's the point of having a good foundation for success without a good manager at this level? He's out of his depth. Southampton sacked Adkins and hired Pochettino, why can't the club look further afield for a new manager, rather than everyone saying "Oh well who'll we get? Warnock? No thanks." Lets be honest. we couldn't have a manager doing any worse than Pearson has this season.
ScouseFox Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Why have we got to judge Pearson on last season and not this? you don't, nobody does. but when people start questioning his championship record i think it's only fair to try and remember his championship record. which was basically sensational. slag him off to high heaven about his obvious shortcomings in the premier league but trying to claim he won't be any good in the championship is absolutely ludicrous. like bordering on insane. in fact no, not even bordering on it. genuinely insane.
DB11 Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 As many have said, because he's already shown that he can? If we keep NP we've got more chance of keeping more players.
Webbo Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 All the good players will leave, the fringe players will know that if we're promoted they'll be gone, so they have no incentive to succeed, we have a losing habit. It doesn't seem insane to me to think we'll struggle next season without some change.
Frost Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 As many have said, because he's already shown that he can? If we keep NP we've got more chance of keeping more players. Great, our manager being out of his depth in the Premier League means we should resign our season on the basis that he's good in The Championship and he'll do well next season (which isn't a given). Our best chance of surviving in this division is without Pearson, as unfortunate as that is.
Babylon Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 But this loyalty has almost certainly cost us our place in the Premier League. Now we're sticking with him because what, he might take us back up? A good Championship manager is a fair summary, but we've sacrificed this season. What happens if we get promoted next season? Will he be as stubborn in his second spell in the top flight? I'm very sceptical on keeping Pearson, and I was firmly supporting him up until the Villa performance. He's had an absolute nightmare this season. He's persisted with Morgan who has been sh*t, he dropped Hamer for no good reason (the less said about Schwarzer the better) and to be quite honest, he hasn't had a clue what his best 11 is. He played 5 at the back against Villa, who have 11 premier league goals all season, is that a joke? Abysmal. 1 substitution. Spouts the same crap every week post-match, its infuriating. I think a lot of patient fans have finally had enough. Adam perhaps you should read the last line of the post you quoted.
ScouseFox Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 All the good players will leave, the fringe players will know that if we're promoted they'll be gone, so they have no incentive to succeed, we have a losing habit. It doesn't seem insane to me to think we'll struggle next season without some change. and every time we've had players leave this exact back room team have found incredibly good replacements for stupidly small prices. mahrez and kramaric will leave (probably). without them we were miles clear at the top of the championship under pearson anyway. it's all guess work as nobody can see into the future, but i'd be much happier starting a season in july in the championship with pearson, pearson's back room team and pearson's squad than i would some goon like neil lennon coming in, ripping everything apart and buying people like emile heskey. but that's just me. if you (or anyone else) disagrees that's fine, but i'm struggling to see an argument to suggest we'd be better off with a new man over pearson, who's record in the lower leagues is superb, both in terms of results and building a squad to challenge. we know he can do that, we've seen him do it. to argue he can't is absurd.
Babylon Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 All the good players will leave, the fringe players will know that if we're promoted they'll be gone, so they have no incentive to succeed, we have a losing habit. It doesn't seem insane to me to think we'll struggle next season without some change. It's also not insane to think we'll struggle if we get rid of him. Look at other recently relegated teams. Nobody has a crystal ball to see what will happen with and without. There are good arguments for and against him.
cjslcfc Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 The players and manager won't be the same as last year. This shambles of a season will have affected all of them. Plus I'd imagine a few would leave. Schwarzer in nets as we lose away to Brentford opening day. Lovely. Get rid of him now and start the rebuilding for next year with a new man with new ideas. You would have thought that the terrible run and Watford shambles of the season before last would have affected them all! It clearly did but in a positive sense! A few may leave but we've been crap this season so I doubt we are going to see PL clubs lining up to buy all our players. The last line sums it up perfectly. I'm sure Cardiff, Fulham, Norwich, Reading, Wolves and Blackburn from the previous 3 seasons will tell you just how successful a new man with new ideas can be! The way you have to look at it now is that we are more than likely going to be relegated. With that in mind we have to think about next season. Pearson has already proven he can get this team up while cutting the cloth. These players have proven they can get out of the Championship. This team/manager has proven it can recover from big setbacks at Championship level. Why would you then replace that with an unproven manager at the level (relative to Pearson) who will probably want a different set of players that will need time to gel and doesn't know the club like Pearson does. You're going to use past achievements to hire a new candidate (what other way can there be?), so why can't you use past achievements to highlight how Pearson is the right man for us in the Championship should we go down? This and the lack of alternatives right now is probably what is keeping him in a job!!
Crazy Kop Corner Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 I think the Watford Play Off defeat was a massive motivation to the players last season and I wonder if they out performed. I got the impression that even the manager was surprised at times of how well we were doing. Next year is likely to be more of a slog but if he can get the players motivated I can't see why we won't be top 2 again.
Hirsty The Blue 94 Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 All the good players will leave, the fringe players will know that if we're promoted they'll be gone, so they have no incentive to succeed, we have a losing habit. It doesn't seem insane to me to think we'll struggle next season without some change. It's also equally as insane to suggest that making a change and we won't struggle. Uprooting a core squad who have proved successful at this level could lead to the same shite we had for the 7 years post Adams.
Frost Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Adam perhaps you should read the last line of the post you quoted. Hhhmmm, did go on a bit of a blinded rant, but it seems ludicrous just to back him for fear of upheaval at the club? So where do you stand on Pearson's future?
surrifox Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Why is it that Nigel Pearson will be the best man to lead a promotion push next season? There is not a shred of evidence to suggest he will (or won't in the interest of fairness). In my lifetime I have seen the loyalty approach fail more times then it has succeeded, I can only think of one person who has got a team relegated from the Premier League and promoted from the Championship in back to back seasons. Alan Curbishley at Charlton. Failed attempts include Mickey Adams at Leicester, Paul Jewell at Derby, Ole Gunnar Solskjaer at Cardiff, Felix Magath at Fulham. Can anybody add to these lists or provide any evidence to support this theory that doesn't involve dwelling on the past? Hughton hoicked Newcastle back up q. quickly but maybe he was a summer or end of season appointment
Webbo Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 It's also equally as insane to suggest that making a change and we won't struggle. Uprooting a core squad who have proved successful at this level could lead to the same shite we had for the 7 years post Adams. The core squad will be uprooted anyway.
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