Leeds Fox Posted 25 February 2015 Posted 25 February 2015 Ah yes, the "if you don't like it, leave" argument. I was wondering when that would be trotted out. Oddly enough, these girls were born in the UK, educated in the UK, and were obviously radicalised in the UK, as well as being British citizens. Which means that if they start trouble and killing people of other countries, or encouraging others to do the same, questions might be asked of our own country regarding exactly how such radicalisation was allowed to happen in the first place and how these girls were allowed to be driven into the arms of the ideological nutjobs. Although they have no allegiance to the UK they ARE our problem, like it or not. And rather than just letting them leave to cause whatever mayhem they can, perhaps we could focus on how they got to be that way in the first place and try to stop it from happening again? And, as an aside, fundamentalist Islam scares and angers the hell out of me. The same is true of other ideological hatred, including that of those who wish to incite a war with Islam (as nebulous as it is) or those who think one is inevitable (which is the same thing). Such ideological fundamentalism will - one day - end up wiping out humanity. And that'll be a damn shame, because we could probably end up doing a lot of good things if we actually got off the idea that one bunch of humans and what they believe are inherently superior to another bunch of human beings because yet another bunch of human beings wrote it in a book a thousand years ago. Not anymore, apparently.
bovril Posted 25 February 2015 Posted 25 February 2015 Not anymore, apparently. I wonder if people in say, Latvia or Lithuania feel the same way about criminals who move to the UK to commit crimes. Do you think they should be sent back?
leicsmac Posted 25 February 2015 Posted 25 February 2015 Check out some of the comments made by other western Isis brides. Can't link right now because I'm on my mobile but can be found by Google. They're not unhappy to be there. They're not drugged up or anything like that. They seem perfectly happy to be part of a brutal extremist regime. And why shouldn't they? There's nothing about being female that means you can't hold extremist views, is there? It's perfectly possible to be talked into adopting and converting to such an extremist cause and being happy about it. And as you say, it happens to young men so why not young women, too? Even so, part of the blame still lies with the person who talked them into it and preyed on someone easily impressionable (which you would have to be to be talked into insanity such as this). When your ears get filled with glorious bullshit about serving the 'cause', just saying No is more difficult than you might think.
GaelicFox Posted 25 February 2015 Posted 25 February 2015 If we continue along that path, nature will change the outcome in her own way - permanently. that click started to tick many millenniums ago , it's enevitable Humans are a virus on the planet , the virus will eventually kill the host or be killed one way or other a virus is always on a time limited journey
MooseBreath Posted 25 February 2015 Posted 25 February 2015 It's perfectly possible to be talked into adopting and converting to such an extremist cause and being happy about it. And as you say, it happens to young men so why not young women, too? Even so, part of the blame still lies with the person who talked them into it and preyed on someone easily impressionable (which you would have to be to be talked into insanity such as this). When your ears get filled with glorious bullshit about serving the 'cause', just saying No is more difficult than you might think. We're all presented with the opportunity to make bad decisions. I've read enough whacky left propaganda to have become a real tree hugging nutjob by now but I haven't. Why? Because I made decisions which I considered to be in my own interest. That's what people do. That's what these young women have done. They genuinely think they're better off as an Isis bride. Who knows, maybe they ARE better off, if they believe in that kind of ideology then they will be in the right place.
Buce Posted 25 February 2015 Posted 25 February 2015 I made decisions which I considered to be in my own interest. That's what people do. No, it's what some people do; some make decisions based on what they perceive to be the greater good. It's why people like me don't vote Tory, despite that it would probably be in my personal interests to do so.
Webbo Posted 25 February 2015 Posted 25 February 2015 No, it's what some people do; some make decisions based on what they perceive to be the greater good. That's the reason I don't vote Labour.
BrokenRecord Posted 25 February 2015 Posted 25 February 2015 Those parents are the kind who will mock this country that they live in, watch the news and comment on how great a terror attack is. The only reason they're crying is because it's their daughters that are gone. Armchair extremists, would be the term for them. Good riddance to the three rodents.
Webbo Posted 25 February 2015 Posted 25 February 2015 Those parents are the kind who will mock this country that they live in, watch the news and comment on how great a terror attack is. The only reason they're crying is because it's their daughters that are gone. Armchair extremists, would be the term for them. Good riddance to the three rodents. How do you know that? Have you ever met them?
GaelicFox Posted 25 February 2015 Posted 25 February 2015 Those parents are the kind who will mock this country that they live in, watch the news and comment on how great a terror attack is. The only reason they're crying is because it's their daughters that are gone. Armchair extremists, would be the term for them. Good riddance to the three rodents. Stupid thing to say about the parents I know many Muslim parents would be horrified by this situation and distraught with worry bout the kids
BrokenRecord Posted 25 February 2015 Posted 25 February 2015 How do you know that? Have you ever met them? Well let's face it if your children end up doing something like that, you're clearly not setting the best example for them. You could argue that they wanted to rebel against their parents, I suppose. But generally children pick up their ideas from parents first, and especially cause these girls love in western society they could have felt outcasted therefore leaned even further past their parents religious ideology. Either way we won't find out unless they come back. Which, hopefully, they won't.
Darkon84 Posted 25 February 2015 Posted 25 February 2015 Those parents are the kind who will mock this country that they live in, watch the news and comment on how great a terror attack is. The only reason they're crying is because it's their daughters that are gone. Armchair extremists, would be the term for them. Good riddance to the three rodents. Change the record.
Leeds Fox Posted 25 February 2015 Posted 25 February 2015 I wonder if people in say, Latvia or Lithuania feel the same way about criminals who move to the UK to commit crimes. Do you think they should be sent back?I wasn't really giving an opinion, I was just stating that as much as they are British citizens, they don't cause us a problem anymore. Going and marrying an ISIS fighter isn't a direct threat to us. As you asked though (about the Latvians), yes, they should either be sent back or imprisoned over here. Although your question seems irrelevant, because the girls are British citizens, and I didn't say I think they should be sent back here from Syria. I also never said that they weren't British, and should've been sent 'back' (to Syria from Britain). I'm impartial to the whole situation as I don't know enough of the facts. I know I just said I'm impartial. This is my theory of what happened not an opinion on whether they are right or wrong, innocent or guilty... They willingly went to Syria, I'm sure everyone agrees there is no doubt about that, although the reasons behind them going are obviously much more complex. In my opinion, and using pure conjecture, I think that they have been coerced into going, slightly, but the three friends have all thought it is a good idea and wanted to go together. The seed had been planted in their minds, and the plans have grown between the 3 of them.
Head Honcho Posted 25 February 2015 Posted 25 February 2015 Those parents are the kind who will mock this country that they live in, watch the news and comment on how great a terror attack is. The only reason they're crying is because it's their daughters that are gone. Armchair extremists, would be the term for them. Good riddance to the three rodents. I agree instead of trying to repatriate the girls we should have sent them over there too. As long as there's a leftie willing to listen to their bile they'll keep doing it.
Webbo Posted 25 February 2015 Posted 25 February 2015 Well let's face it if your children end up doing something like that, you're clearly not setting the best example for them. You could argue that they wanted to rebel against their parents, I suppose. But generally children pick up their ideas from parents first, and especially cause these girls love in western society they could have felt outcasted therefore leaned even further past their parents religious ideology. Either way we won't find out unless they come back. Which, hopefully, they won't. You agreed with everything your parents thought at 15? I agree instead of trying to repatriate the girls they should have sent them over there to look for them. As long as there's a leftie willing to listen to their bile they'll keep doing it. I'm not a lefty.
bovril Posted 25 February 2015 Posted 25 February 2015 I wasn't really giving an opinion, I was just stating that as much as they are British citizens, they don't cause us a problem anymore. Going and marrying an ISIS fighter isn't a direct threat to us. As you asked though (about the Latvians), yes, they should either be sent back or imprisoned over here. Although your question seems irrelevant, because the girls are British citizens, and I didn't say I think they should be sent back here from Syria. I also never said that they weren't British, and should've been sent 'back' (to Syria from Britain). I'm impartial to the whole situation as I don't know enough of the facts. I know I just said I'm impartial. This is my theory of what happened not an opinion on whether they are right or wrong, innocent or guilty... They willingly went to Syria, I'm sure everyone agrees there is no doubt about that, although the reasons behind them going are obviously much more complex. In my opinion, and using pure conjecture, I think that they have been coerced into going, slightly, but the three friends have all thought it is a good idea and wanted to go together. The seed had been planted in their minds, and the plans have grown between the 3 of them. My point was that a lot of people saying "they're not our problem anymore" also seem to be the loudest advocates for deporting foreign criminals, which is what these girls effectively now are in Syria.
BrokenRecord Posted 25 February 2015 Posted 25 February 2015 I agree instead of trying to repatriate the girls they should have sent them over there to look for them. As long as there's a leftie willing to listen to their bile they'll keep doing it. The left has been wrecked. Any true lefty would want to defend our freedoms from both our government and others. Hopefully that left will return.
MooseBreath Posted 25 February 2015 Posted 25 February 2015 No, it's what some people do; some make decisions based on what they perceive to be the greater good. It's why people like me don't vote Tory, despite that it would probably be in my personal interests to do so. Yes well this is going off topic a bit but I would say the greater good in that respect is in your interest. The point I'm making is that these women made their decisions of their own free will and in their own interest. They deserve no sympathy.
Head Honcho Posted 25 February 2015 Posted 25 February 2015 My point was that a lot of people saying "they're not our problem anymore" also seem to be the loudest advocates for deporting foreign criminals, which is what these girls effectively now are in Syria. Syria has been destroyed by criminals I doubt a few more would make a difference.
Leeds Fox Posted 25 February 2015 Posted 25 February 2015 My point was that a lot of people saying "they're not our problem anymore" also seem to be the loudest advocates for deporting foreign criminals, which is what these girls effectively now are in Syria. Oh, I don't see how you would need to ask my view on deporting foriegn criminals, as I hadn't brought that topic up with my post. When I alluded to them not being Britians problem anymore, I meant they have taken their Jihadist views and terrorist threat (brainwashed or not) to Syria, and won't be coming back.
bovril Posted 25 February 2015 Posted 25 February 2015 Oh, I don't see how you would need to ask my view on deporting foriegn criminals, as I hadn't brought that topic up with my post. When I alluded to them not being Britians problem anymore, I meant they have taken their Jihadist views and terrorist threat (brainwashed or not) to Syria, and won't be coming back. Fair enough I probably read something into your original post that wasn't actually there!
Leeds Fox Posted 25 February 2015 Posted 25 February 2015 Fair enough I probably read something into your original post that wasn't actually there! To be fair it was just a silly reply from me, it wasn't meant to come across in a provocative manner.
GaelicFox Posted 25 February 2015 Posted 25 February 2015 Are the airlines chargable with assisting with the removal unlawfully of a minor ?
MooseBreath Posted 25 February 2015 Posted 25 February 2015 Are the airlines chargable with assisting with the removal unlawfully of a minor ? Of course not. There's nothing illegal about people flying to Turkey.
Buce Posted 25 February 2015 Posted 25 February 2015 That's the reason I don't vote Labour. Then I applaud your integrity.
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