Who is the greatest prime minister of the last 65 years?

[Stadt]

Wookie, you're havin a laugh, surely?

Obviously.

Churchill really wasn't the greatest ever prime minister.

[cityfanlee23]

Lee you have every right to your opinion and discussion but you'd be really daft to join forces with MooseNedry in anything else. It's a slippy slope to perverse idiocy. 

 

I cant help it if they are also correct 

[cityfanlee23]

You seriously want a link to what is common knowledge to disprove your unsourced claptrap. Deary me cityfanlee23. Just Google it yourself. 

 

The original source of the direction of the belgrano came from the argentinians. 

British miliatry dossiers claim otherwise, Google it yourself.

[Stadt]

Pretty pointless poll TBHJ, those who vote Tory now will vote for a past tory PM etc...

Had the poll gone back a few more years I'd have said Atlee and I would vote Conservative (if I was ok enough in May).

[cityfanlee23]

Had the poll gone back a few more years I'd have said Atlee and I would vote Conservative (if I was ok enough in May).

 

I put Atlee on there mate, Didn't originally as only Atlee's last year was within 65 years, he's on now

[Carl the Llama]

Lee you haven't actually given any sources for your claims.  You can't just say "naval history website" and expect that to prove anything at all.  I'm on that website right now and can't find these 22 damaged/sunk ships of yours anywhere.  I can find 3 mildly inconvenienced ships and I can even substantiate my claim with a link to your source material: http://www.naval-history.net/F62-Falklands-British_ships_lost.htm

[bovril]

Had the poll gone back a few more years I'd have said Atlee and I would vote Conservative (if I was ok enough in May).

 

You'll meet some hot Communist chick at Uni, start voting Greens and holidaying in Eco-villages in rural Romania.

[Stadt]

You'll meet some hot Communist chick at Uni, start voting Greens and holidaying in Eco-villages in rural Romania.

**** off

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[The Doctor]

Thatcher was trying to reduce our carbon footprint. We'd all be under 8ft of water it wasn't for her.

 

 

Shutting down local production and shifting it abroad and increasing our reliance on other fossil fuels doesn't cut our carbon footprint in the slightest - it's essentially propping the dead body up behind the curtains and claiming you're just having an intense game of hide and seek - to cut the carbon footprint you need to go to more carbon neutral energy sources like nuclear power, not just to oil.

 

 

Anyway, Atlee had the longest lasting positive impact on this country with the formation of the NHS, so him.

[cityfanlee23]

Lee you haven't actually given any sources for your claims.  You can't just say "naval history website" and expect that to prove anything at all.  I'm on that website right now and can't find these 22 damaged/sunk ships of yours anywhere.  I can find 3 mildly inconvenienced ships and I can even substantiate my claim with a link to your source material: http://www.naval-history.net/F62-Falklands-British_ships_lost.htm

 

 

Well there is a list of damaged ships for a start... Does the sheer amount of damage now show the severity of the dangers we were in against argentina?

 

the point was not "How damaged they were" but the fact that people think we should have let the belgrano go when it was heading TOWARDS the exclusion zone, and in total we'd had 22 ships damaged, 6 of them sunk. 

 

They were right to sink the belgrano.

[Rincewind]

I wasn't going to vote but after seeing who's leading.......

[Buce]

Well there is a list of damaged ships for a start... Does the sheer amount of damage now show the severity of the dangers we were in against argentina?

the point was not "How damaged they were" but the fact that people think we should have let the belgrano go when it was heading TOWARDS the exclusion zone, and in total we'd had 22 ships damaged, 6 of them sunk.

They were right to sink the belgrano.

No British ships were sunk before the Belgrano.

[cityfanlee23]

I wasn't going to vote but after seeing who's leading.......

I'd prefer you didn't vote because of your disdain towards whoever is leading.... 

[cityfanlee23]

No British ships were sunk before the Belgrano.

 

 

I did not say they were, but with over 13,000 argentinian forces, 70 aircraft, a submarine and the belgrano, it was pretty obvious of the dangers... 

 

So when the belgrano leaves the exclusion zone then turns around and heads back towards it (This was picked up by british military intelligence signals as well as other government agencies - this was released in private military dossiers in the sinking of the belgrano investigations) Around the ascension island major David thorp and his team also picked up naval communications ordering the belgrano to turn back towards grid references within the exclusion zone.

 

Leaving the belgrano would be catastrophic. The fact is as much as argentina claim they were going AWAY from  the exclusion zone, hey were not, if they were they would be facing 60-80 degrees in the other direction.

[separator]

Well there is a list of damaged ships for a start... Does the sheer amount of damage now show the severity of the dangers we were in against argentina?

 

the point was not "How damaged they were" but the fact that people think we should have let the belgrano go when it was heading TOWARDS the exclusion zone, and in total we'd had 22 ships damaged, 6 of them sunk. 

 

They were right to sink the belgrano.

Some ships were hit more than once, so its less than 22, not by many though.

 

http://www.naval-history.net/F62-Falklands-British_ships_lost.htm

[ScouseFox]

65 years pretty crazy timeframe imo

[The Doctor]

I did not say they were, but with over 13,000 argentinian forces, 70 aircraft, a submarine and the belgrano, it was pretty obvious of the dangers... 

 

So when the belgrano leaves the exclusion zone then turns around and heads back towards it (This was picked up by british military intelligence signals as well as other government agencies - this was released in private military dossiers in the sinking of the belgrano investigations) Around the ascension island major David thorp and his team also picked up naval communications ordering the belgrano to turn back towards grid references within the exclusion zone.

 

Leaving the belgrano would be catastrophic. The fact is as much as argentina claim they were going AWAY from  the exclusion zone, hey were not, if they were they would be facing 60-80 degrees in the other direction.

 

Yes you did.

 

 

This is the ENEMY we are talking about.... The enemy who'd damaged/sunk 22 of our ships

[cityfanlee23]

Yes you did.

 

 

The ENEMY being anything to do with argentina at the time. and I was talking from a post war perspective at people trying to defend the belgrano. they were right to take the belgrano down.  

[Buce]

I did not say they were,.

Yes, you did:

we'd had 22 ships damaged, 6 of them sunk.

They were right to sink the belgrano.

[sphericalfox]

Yes you did.

 

[cityfanlee23]

Yes, you did:

 

For christ sake, Just answered this

 

They were right to sink the belgrano, they were a threat from a strong argentinian force of 13,000 I was talking POST WAR in hindsight, they were 100% right. 

[Rincewind]

I'd prefer you didn't vote because of your disdain towards whoever is leading.... 

It's ok I voted for the one who made the biggest change for society and equality for the average working man. Clue it wasn't a female. (well only on Spitting Image0

[cityfanlee23]

It's ok I voted for the one who made the biggest change for society and equality for the average working man. Clue it wasn't a female. 9well only on Spitting Image0

 

The best thing to ever come out of british politics

[sphericalfox]

For christ sake, Just answered this

 

They were right to sink the belgrano, they were a threat from a strong argentinian force of 13,000 I was talking POST WAR in hindsight, they were 100% right. 

 

I for one am glad Lee wants to be Tory Boy No.1 on FT.

 

There were contenders. Moosey is unquestionably hilarious, but Lee takes it all to a new level. 

[Rincewind]

Spitting Image?