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Thank God we've left all that behind since the enlightenment

rise of secularism too, but y'all not ready to have that conversation

I don't think anyone is doubting the problem, just debating the solution. It's like depression - we're told to talk about it and we talk about it more than ever, and yet our society seems to be more depressed than ever. No doubt male on female violence is an issue, and it frightens me very much. I just believe the solution lies not in teaching men about the inherent problem of masculinity, but more in providing strong role models for men, models that are often now seen as problematic in the UK.

I think what analyses like this miss is that the world has changed since the 50s and 60s and Britain is not able to maintain the kind of society it created after the war because of those changes and how badly we have responded to them.

I think the key thing in that radio programme is that young people believe their eyes not their ears. We don't just need to lecture, for want of a better word, we need to provide examples. And in my own opinion, positive examples are sorely lacking in modern society, for whatever reason.

Thanks. I realise my post was a bit "source: trust me bro" so I appreciate the back up. Obviously in the last decade or so in many countries we've seen more focus on challenging traditional power structures and disempowering traditionally dominant groups, while trying to raise up those groups that usually lacked institutional power. I suppose a lot of it is with good intentions but I remain unconvinced how successful or beneficial the often ham-fisted British version of it is. Like Amol says at 16 I wouldn't have known what "the patriarchy" was, and I don't think making young people hyper aware of their problematic social status is really the best way forward, whether that's based on gender or anything else. My own theory (opinion not fact alert!) is that it's linked to Britain's own decline in wealth and influence. Economic growth and good living standards are no longer a given in this country which has led to more focus on those groups that are perceived to still be relatively wealthy and powerful.

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I'm sure I could google a few specific examples when I have more time. Just from casual observation and experience I would say that in modern Britain there is far more discourse in media and academia around the privileged positions males hold in society and how this privilege and traditional gender roles are harmful and in need of challenging, compared to say 20 years ago. Fair enough if someone hasn't noticed that, although I would be surprised.

He's Postecoglou's twin. Has ability but is handicapped by a massive and very fragile ego that doesn't respond well to adversity.

No I will not be taking any questions. This is gen chat after all.

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Yeah you're probably right to be honest. You've convinced me.

Oh come on. I think we might well struggle next season but if we somehow fluke a good managerial appointment we have a very good chance of going up again.

hopefully after we next score

Talking about subverting traditional gender roles, I forgot to wash the spinach before cooking and only realised after eating. Am I going to die?

I know it is very déclassé for an urban bourgeois like me to complain about 'woke' stuff but young men in Britain are frequently told that they are inherently privileged and that their role in society is problematic and in need of dismantling. Maybe just watching a netflix series in schools isn't going to be enough?

I am a bit of an old reactionary in a young(ish) body. But I think over the last couple of decades in Britain a lot of quite scummy and uncivilised behaviour has become normalised, and at the same time what I would very clumsily describe as more 'traditional' beliefs, roles and behaviours have been denigrated. Society has become nastier and messier as a result. I think it's also linked to the spread of American popular culture and the rise of tech, as well as the economic system we live in. The issues raised by Adolescence are obviously a bit more complex because it involves stuff like social media influencers which I know little about. But I think it is linked to the slow erosion of the belief in traditional gender roles. I totally agree with people saying we need to show males positive role models. We need to show them that masculinity isn't just competition and conflict, but can be about things like cooperation, leadership, providing for families, contributing to society. I just don't know how possible that is in modern Britain. That's just my opinion and I'm sure a lot of people will disagree with me.

Dude is there a club you don't support?

I am fully on board with blaming Cooper for making RvN look better than he is and contributing to us actually hiring him.

Good at pointless though

I think it's very modern Britain - the problem imo is cultural but the suggested solution is prohibition, increased monitoring and talking more about feelings

A couple of days ago was in the pub next to where she murdered Blakely. There are a couple of 'bullet holes' in the walls that the then landlady apparently put in in the 1990s!

Exactly. Would comfortably keep a clean sheet against this team and would probably score too.

Easily. Perhaps our worst season in any league. Can't think of anything worse. 07/08 was our lowest ebb but I think that team may have eked out a 1-0 win against this shower.

if any of these guys think they're playing Prem football next season, with the exception of Mads and on loan Facundo, it's them that need their heads examining