Kitchandro

Who signed Reid, Ayew, Skipp and that bloke from Palace who can’t get in the squad again? ’No manager could do a good job with these players’ is not a defence of Cooper, it’s a damning indictment of his abilities.

BECAUSE one manager being crap doesn’t mean another one isn’t. It’s a basic concept. Neither manager should have been hired and I refuse to believe there isn’t someone out there who can’t 1) have a more positive attitude and 2) try a different system like 2 up front and/or 3 at the back.

He’s a billionaire. Not your mate.

I think you’re missing the point - the flip side of yours. If fans are treated like customers, an inconvenience, people the club can squeeze for all they’ve got - they are rightly going to be less forgiving when things aren’t on the pitch aren’t good. Because what else is there? Fans aren’t enjoying themselves at the football anymore, it’s not ‘their thing’, it’s a corporate, empty, meaningless sport and our club is one of the worst examples. So their mood is already off before you factor in losing every week. One thing I would have added to the article is years of negative football. Not being good enough is one thing, almost never being entertained is another. Again, that makes fans less forgiving when results don’t go well. I remember some games, like that 5-2 defeat to Arsenal in 2015, where I could accept losing because we really gave it a go.

Some great points on here. Reminds me of West Ham. Everyone outside of West Ham think their fans are ungrateful and stupid for being anti-Moyes. I know after our experience with Rodgers that their fans are absolutely right. And winning a 3rd rate European trophy (essentially the Johnstone’s Paint Trophy but you get to go to Eastern European one-horse towns instead of Stockport) is no defence. Football is completely different when you’re paying through the nose to watch the only club you’ll ever support. Especially when there’s opinions coming from rich people who are paid to watch random games and changed their clubs as often as some people change their trousers.

Crap teams always pick up more points than you think they will. Main examples being about 10 teams everyone thought might beat Derby’s lowest points record but they always manage to clear it with room to spare. Even under Tater Peeler / Basset / Adams we got 28. I think we’ll get about 10-12 more points, eventually we’ll get some luck or play a team out of form / on the beach. Finish 2nd bottom.

Nah, some of us are fed up of years of negative football that we had under Puel, Rodgers and then Cooper. The main reason I stopped going (though there many other reasons for not starting going again). The club has absolutely no worth if you don’t want to watch them. It’s a spectator sport.

Not the point really, it would nice of them to do their job and at least briefly analyse the problems that might have caused us be in such a state. When it’s Man Utd, Newcastle etc, we get that. It’s like they just expect us to be this bad ‘because it’s Leicester’. Was even the case when we got relegated with top 6 players. The nose dive from this club over the past 3 years warrants attention. We shouldn’t expect to be so far behind the likes of Fulham, Palace, Bournemouth, Brentford, Forest. These are nothing clubs and it wasn’t an inevitability.

The media aren’t reporting this so it obviously didn’t work. They’re reporting only that we’ve turned on the manager.

I don’t really get the argument that ‘it won’t make a difference’. I’d still rather have a better manager in charge. Even if he can’t turn fortunes around this season, a progressive manager with a good style of football might be something to build on - maybe even entertain us a bit - a crazy idea I know! He might improve players and get the best out of them. Great managers do that. I would prefer that to 4 months of just accepting our fate and going down with a whimper. And it’s irrelevant we can’t trust the board to hire the right man, this is a discussion forum, all of it is theoretical anyway.

Time to point out that one person being crap doesn’t make someone else good, because that doesn’t seem clear to some people. Almost no one can come out of today with any credit. Yes Kristiansen was at fault for the 2nd, but Justin is still awful. Yes Vardy, Mavididi and Buonanotte were shocking - so is Ayew (except he’s a pointless player even on a good day and that’s the point). Yes, Cooper was a terrible appointment. And yes, Rudkin and Top are mostly to blame for this predicament - but clearly Ruud is completely the wrong man for this job. We start games poorly with no game plan or attacking threat and his subs today were unacceptable. Losing 7 in a row. Regardless of everything else, Ruud isn’t getting anything out of the players. If we won’t roll the dice in the transfer market, we need to do it with a new manager. A professional football club, with the money they are all on, can’t just accept relegation and give up (even if I have).

Today has been pitiful. Are there mitigating circumstances? Yes. But he’s not getting anything out of these players.

Because even at his best he doesn’t offer anything. Mavididi has a bit of potential, Ayew has none yet he regularly starts ahead of players who can actually carry a threat. He’s an easy ‘safe’ option for managers to pick because they can point to his ‘experience’ instead of taking a risk on rawer, younger players, which I could forgive. I despise the cowardice of signing and picking Ayew, not Ayew.

What’s the game plan here? There’s no ideas, the front 3 are isolated and can’t get the ball.

Yeh well we haven’t got 5 days, we’re over halfway through the window. Why are you defending the club when it’s clear they can’t make the most out of transfer windows and it’s nobody’s fault but their’s? The time for giving them the benefit of the doubt has been and gone.

Looks quite obvious that the front 3 are working hard but are isolated, they always have to either wait for the midfield to get up with them or just go direct with little support.

Didn’t realise football was played on spreadsheets. Maybe managers would get more consistently good results if they started basing their signings and selections on what they see on the football pitch.

Revisionist or not, the fact is that side (plus Kante) won the league the following season. We should never have been struggling, this team however is hopeless with no potential.

Sorry I can’t let this one go. Hideous player for us. Could not keep possession in any circumstance, terrible goal return, and cost us a place in the Champions League with one of his many sitters (Chelsea). He was so far below the standard the rest of the team set that he was arguably our most costly flop of all time. Were other players picked ahead of him we’d probably have scraped the top 4, he was that much of a hindrance.

Yep, a lot of people ignore the reality that most of football is down to good recruitment. They brought Pearson back just because he’d been here before and he and Walsh were great at finding good value in the transfer market. We recruited well under Puel but he was a terrible managerial appointment. So was Shakespeare (great coach but no manager and yet we kept him for the following season). The good decisions paid off handsomely but the poor ones are swept under the carpet because we had good player recruitment from good scouting. Not because of the owner’s genius. It was the genius of the scouts and 2 great managers out of about 5 (hardly a perfect success rate!) I hate that King Power have always taken credit for the league win, that starting 11 cost £20m, it was down to Walsh and Pearson that we had that team and down to Ranieri’s tactics that it won the title. Owners don’t pick players and they don’t pick tactics. All they should be doing is signing cheques and delegating to people who know things about football. I’m not interested in moneybags taking credit for sporting achievements, especially when it was notable for how little money it cost.

Define ‘balanced’? Ayew is an attacker with no attacking threat. I can’t even have the idea of him starting matches on my mind. Buonanotte had a poor game tonight but he’s regularly far, far better than Ayew and our better performances are with him in the team. Even tonight, we looked balanced and threatening, we just kept giving the ball away and there were several culprits.

So what? Why is it people can’t get their head around the idea that 2 different managers might not be very good. Nobody deserves any credit for the season we’re having, collectively everyone at the club has failed. If Cooper genuinely had a say in the summer transfers, he undoubtedly takes a huge chunk of the blame for this, because they were awful, awful signings. I keep thinking ‘why is so and so still getting picked’ and then I realise there is absolutely no one in the squad good enough to replace them! It would take a particularly good manager to keep this squad up, neither Cooper or Ruud are that I’m afraid. As I say, tonight we didn’t lose because of the manager’s tactics or selection - but you could argue we did lose it because of Cooper’s transfer business.

There have been times this season where I think both managers’ selection and tactics have handicapped us. But tonight I can’t even say that. Much like against Man City; the line-up was right, the tactics were right, the effort was there, there was enough space to play, but the players were wasteful. There’s just not the consistent quality, even from our better players. So our best players didn’t perform today, but about 7 of them are not good enough for this level even at their best. We’ve got no chance. Some people should be embarrassed looking at what they’ve allowed this club to sign, you can tell just watching them for 5 minutes that they are out of their depth. We will deservedly go down.

The approach to the game has been good, but we just haven’t got the quality. Vardy’s going through one of those low confidence spells.

They’re already comparing us on BBC Sport, it’s insufferable. I can’t believe any Leicester fan would be ok with it. I don’t think I will though.