Chrysalis

All the goals against us today were quality, the league is decent.

Guess the penalty now made it 4 from 2.4 xG.

Odd, the ratings are much lower than what I voted, I thought they did a good job of sending a message that the performance from the directors of the club is an embarrassment, especially with what happened to the staff wages.

This thread is about to go up a gear I think. Harsh.

Players sent the message of what they think of the staff pay.

Connolly from Orient, 10k a week will sway him. Ideally though would prefer someone who has never been at an EPL club.

I dont like that this is done, its more positive feedback on dominant clubs, they attract the internationals, and now they effectively get subsidised for it.

Moving bill payments for one month a year I find odd, but what the club have done is clearly unacceptable. Regardless of the reasons, this is not how you treat staff.

Ok Top, hope your loan comes in time to at least pay them by the new year.

Wasnt trying to be.

Evident in the Antonia thread, seems a lot of people the wool has been pulled over their eyes.

Just waiting for the next bank loan, then staff will get paid.

I see people havent learnt about how Rudkin does business, there wont be any pay as you play contract, there will be a signing on fee alongside being one of our highest paid players.

I see others starting to see the light now.

His wages will be sky high, and there will be a signing on fee. I expect he wont be signing for anything less than 5 million over his duration here. People need to stop thinking about transfer fees and more about player compensation, we like a gambling addict at this point, we are addicted to signing high wage EPL veterans. This is not recovering the club, its a short termism panic. Far better to lure a lower league striker here.

This is why we need Top and Rudkin gone, the sort of signing we need to stop making. A lot of fans seem oblivious to our circumstances as well, liking the idea of it.

Except I dont know what Brighton are doing. Apparently we linked to Antonia, lost for words.

That mistake, is on the manager, that is misusing a keeper, and is a silly way to play football. To me the keeper's job is to prevent shots becoming goals. There might be certain cases its ok, like when the opposition isnt in your 3rd and in your face, but no way should the keeper have been expected to do what he did when he did it. I remember a fair amount of goals coming from Kasper either throwing it or kicking it long. Those were not aimless, they often found one of our players, and even if it goes to an opposite player, it at least isnt right in front of the keeper and an immediate goal scoring chance. We had the same issues under Enzo, but it wasnt noticed as much as most teams feared us so didnt pressure us so close to goal, whenever we played a team who were not afraid of us, Enzo struggled with the same issues.

To me we had a model of selling a big name player every summer, to top up normal income. For this model to keep working it would require recruitment to be good enough that there would be a ready made replacement for the player leaving. Ideally one that had already been groomed in the squad so recruited at least one summer before. This obviously requires good scouting, good sports analysis team, good negotiation on recruitment. We were primarily aiming to recruit young up and coming players, who would later become big sales, for this to work at its best these would be signed initially on long contracts combined with lower than average wages for the squad. This then puts us under less pressure to sell quickly if its evident they wont renew, less pressure on wage budget, easier to sell if they dont make the grade, and more stability in the squad when do they make the grade. So e.g. a 6 year contract we could sell end of year 3, having keeping the original signing wages for the entire period, and still be selling with 2 years remaining. On a 4 year contract, if the player doesnt extend, and you sell with 2 years remaining you only get 2 years out of the player which is too short if you ambitious and want to keep improving. If you decide to risk it, to get more out of the player you then risk ending up where we did with a player leaving for nothing and being rubbish in their final year. To me there is clear mismanagement of the squad from a recruitment, contractual and sales point of view. The obvious factors making sales a challenge are excessive wages given out and also a misguided idea that a player cannot be sold for less than book value. This led to us with a high annual spend, and being crippled on squad changes. Even crippled to the point we couldnt afford to sack a manager. Absolutely horrid directorship. All the years after that horrid summer to me have shown no lessons have been learned. Also an embarrassment in terms of dodgy sponsorships, repeatedly in the news for breaches of spending limits, not cooperating with rule makers, its a show of arrogance and feeds those who want us to be heavily punished. There is a phrase from F1 when the ex Red Bull team principle commented on Renaults failure of having ambitions to win but combined with a pound shop budget. I see that as similar to Top telling managers to make us play like Pep Man City, but without a squad of players suited to it and the quality of coaches required for it. I seriously would take a much poorer owner now if they were competent, and communicated as well. However they wouldnt be able to afford us, the club is not an attractive buy. King Power will value the squad at book value which will be a clear over valuation, the training grounds will be factored in to buying the club. Plus whatever compensation KP will want on top of that, its going to take a wealthy entity to buy this club, unless we go in the direction of Sheff Wed, which is a plausible possibility if we not promoted again soon. But probably looking at a few years for that to be a possibility.

A good win and great save. Also happy Shannon is coming good with finally a run of games.

Asset in what way, its an asset financially in terms of the land, but what else? At least we agree on the ground should have been done as a priority.

It is if you look outside of our club. Sad state of affairs that a sizable portion of our fan base keeps wanting this. Then calling anything else lacking quality. A sign of this is when I seen a clip from our 2-0 win vs Liverpool in title season, people thought the moment of the match was a bit of tippy tappy that led to nothing rather than Mahrez's marvellous long ball to Vardy followed by a great worldie strike. Likewise I seem to be the only one who remembers the great counter goal away to Man City.

Probably Vichai's second obvious mistake, the first was the appointment of Sousa our worst ever manager. We would be in a better place now if were still at the old training ground but had the stadium upgraded instead.

You draw your own conclusions, but basically the shift was from a change of location, not a change of players or coaches. The environment essentially came too comfortable and luxurious.

Thats not how we playing, every time I have watched us, its mostly tippy tappy with defenders passing to each other. No urgency going forward.