LCFCJohn

Precisely. A hell of a lot of revision when you look back at actually how the club was run from 2010 onwards. This is why it is BS when KP are given credit for the achievements. Bought us in 2010. Promptly get rid of Pearson for successive big name appointments. Anybody with football knowledge and a plan would have looked at the 2 years up to the takeover and not messed with it. This delayed our return to the top flight and upon getting promoted, gave us a tag of cheats due to the financial settlement with the EFL. As sure as anything in football can possibly be, Pearson would have got us promoted sooner and on a lower budget based on how he (and his team) turned things around in their second spell. Yes Vichai admitted his mistake which is a trait his son does not have but that’s it. Pearson departure and Ranieri appointment. No issues with Pearson going. They respect (their own at least) culture and Pearson is a family man so parting ways was needed. Anyone though who tries to suggest the Ranieri appointment was anything other than another big name in the absence of again, knowledge of football, is lying to themselves. He was a big name brought in with safety in mind. What he achieved was miraculous but not evidence of a strategy/plan/footballing knowledge on the owners account. 2016/17, 2017-18, 2018/19 were 3 successive seasons where managers were dispensed of with us in or close to the relegation zone. The first 2 under Vichai. It was always build on sand foundations and likely to come down. Yes Aiyawatt has accelerated it and taken it to a new level. But let’s not pretend Vichai was a footballing genius. They way people go on about how they (KP/Vichai/Aiyawatt) ‘won’ us the league is nauseating. It is like it was them keeping Kasper/Simpson/Huth/Morgan/Fuchs’ clean sheets. Or they were dominating the midfield like Kante, turning defenders inside out like Mahrez or scoring Vardy’s goals…. I am in no way ungrateful. I think that credit has been over exaggerated and led to being the reason the fan base won’t speak out collectively now like they have in the past. Rant over but no one backing team can even put together a coherent sentence in defence let alone a novel

Both of those games were vile yes. But would we say they were worse than many of the performances under Cifuentes?

At the very least, the optics aren’t great. He had a lengthy break before joining and once the season ends in about 8 weeks, he’ll have a good couple of months before Aiyawatt/Rudkin remember to let him know if he will be managing the team next season or not. They might not be on the training ground but there’s footage to watch and planning to do. Even if Rowett takes it deadly seriously, we know the players see being here as a holiday camp so in Rowett’s position, honestly this is the last thing I’d have done even if just for the optics and to set an example to the players that the hard work doesn’t end until we dig ourselves out of this mess.

Candidates with Tottenham connections such as Ryan Mason, Harry Redknapp and Tim Sherwood would be open to taking the job on an interim basis until the end of the season, while current player Ben Davies has also been considered as a possible short-term fix. Former Spurs players Glenn Hoddle and Chris Hughton have also been touted as interim appointments.

But but but what about all they do for the community etc etc They honestly don’t give a crap about anyone or anything.

The point was what was most enjoyable there and then. As I said and @Katyhas also, the PL win was the single greatest achievement. But if some of us say that didn’t translate to the same level of enjoyment whilst it was taking place due to the tension and high stakes, that is nothing to do with kudos. The atmosphere might have been better generally but if I didn’t enjoy being surrounded by low football IQ fair weather fan then that’s my call

The L1 season remains my most enjoyable season, more so than 2015/16. Both sides were really easy to get behind and really likeable, as were the managers. I think the reason for enjoying L1 more was because there was so much tension around 2015/16 as the season went on, so it becomes harder to enjoy there and then. And by that point, I was also not enjoying being surrounded by the lower (football) IQ fans who had come out of the woodwork. In L1 it was the proper passionate fans who were there no matter what.

I agree wholly with your first paragraph. The second part, I just think we are a case where any possibly buyers will bide their time. There is no incentive for anyone to get involved right now. Keep out the way, watch the situation unfold and reach the bottom. Prices wise they will pick the club up cheaply off administrators (compared to trying to buy KP out now) and as had been mentioned a fair bit, if someone else bought the club now, they’d very quickly take the blame from those in the fan base who want to deflect any kind of blame from Aiyawatt/KP. There are multiple reasons to wait until this bottoms out for any sensible buyer. It doesn’t mean they aren’t out there and won’t be when we need them.

What amazes me is, the level of effort Aiyawatt puts into gaslighting the supporters and fighting the financial charges to find loopholes, if they just put that effort into, you know, running the club properly, maybe the rest wouldn’t be necessary!

If relegated, there will be a large exodus you’d think, rather than a ‘big’ sale. So there’d likely be a number of smaller fees. A couple of million for Nelson, maybe a million for Stolarcryk from a championship club (Norwich were interested last summer), a nominal fee Winks. Wilder might come back for Choudhury. Again that’d be a small fee given the wages. Okoli back to Italy, might get amortisation plus a small amount. Fatawu will of course be the biggest sale but even then maybe £15 mill top end. Even then there’s not loads to be fair.

Your last paragraph is something I have said a few times. Any prospective buyer will bide their time and wait. Both financially and for the reason you highlight. Wait until we have absolutely bottomed out. Why would someone pay bigger money, to inherit a mess that has a way to go to bottom out, and be on the hook for it from a large section of the fan base?

Probably implied by anyone using the ‘we promote’ reference that they are piss taking to be fair..

It occurs to me that the last time I watched even a single minute of an England game was the 2024 euros final. I literally have zero enthusiasm for this upcoming tournament. It’s the 3rd World Cup in a row going to a country (US not Canada and Mexico) who shouldn’t be hosting such a major event. Add to that the kick off times which are crap for someone like myself who is an early riser for work. I thought was the hosts were announced it’d be a decent tournament but now we are here, I will be giving it a miss.

I agree. But not being good enough for the PL doesn’t automatically make you a terrible player. A very small proportion of even progressional footballers will make it in the PL. It’s still the best league in the world in terms of depth. I tend to think he was brought here, was always second fiddle behind Vardy (of course) and completely the opposite of the style the club were going for (goes back to the due diligence point). Even Vardy often struggled. From there, I think the confidence and mentality just eroded away and past the point of any return. Even to the point where he hasn’t been up to it at this level. We agree about the issues here I’m sure. Due diligence and ‘Jon’s deals’. Weirdly, in a parallel existence, he gets moved on after a year or 2, rediscovers his form and make a decent career for himself. Even in this existence, we as a club would still have spiralled to where we are but I could imagine a scenario where had he moved on, people would have brought his name up (like with Kramaric) during our spiral…

I’ve said it before but look at the thread when he signed. Everyone was buzzing. Nobody was saying it was anything other than a great signing of a young striker who was scoring for fun in a decent/good (not top 5/6) European league. The problem as always, comes back our good old Rudders and ‘the deal’. Between the fee (on the high side for the Austrian league) and the wages (hugely over inflated), the circumstances were set to struggle to move him on. As @shensays, there is more to it than a player (any player really) being just a terrible footballer. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t. His output in the first couple of seasons was ok for a young striker coming to a new league and culture. The difference is, most clubs would have had the ability to move the player on when things didn’t kick on and he started to struggle. And you’d just move on. I guess more like us with Kramaric going back. Maybe if Kramaric has stayed for years after he did, we’d have had similar conversations as he likely would have declined after initially not kicking on. Anyone who thinks that what has followed is purely about a lack of ability and not a completely mentally broken player is failing to look at the situation in a balanced manner. I will add that mentally broken players or ones who have no confidence are no good to us. We need the mentality we saw in the Pearson era.

Ah, you’re just talking about awful customer service though! Football is an emotive business and fans should be considered so and not customers. Even if you provide the best customer service, customers are still there to pay your bills. It’s business even if you have positive relations. That’s the reason behind the saying. But yes, they have compounded it by not even providing food service which outs them for what they are.

The comments are pathetic as usual from the ‘defenders’. Why do they have such an issue with the Trust and UFS? Got to be insecurity that these groups are the ones who actually live and breathe the club. All the expected boring comments about glory supporters from the usual suspects. Nothing to do with it being a matter of principle about pricing or treating fans as customers until they need us. There was a really good reply about it being like going to a travel agent and paying a price that won’t change not knowing if are getting Seychelles or Skegness.

I knew this would happen a few years ago as it was obvious the promotion back under Maresca wouldn’t stick. I was interested to see how they’d react once they panicked and the crowds started to fall and here we are!

Yeah this is what I mean. It’s dangerous to get mixed up. In terms of the outrage, as a club, just refuse to get involved politically. As long as you don’t then let Starmer or Polanski walk around you can’t be accused of prejudice. As I say, if they didn’t know which I did read was the case, even if you believe that, it’s careless.

Yeah, I felt we were very lucky not to be lower in the league before he left and before the deduction. All the underlying data put us as a bottom 3 team. Obviously we are far from perfect under Rowett and the mental baggage of this team is hard to unpick. But we have had 4 away games, 2 of them at 2 of the top 3 and could have won any one of them in their own right. Stoke and Watford are the obvious ones but Middlesbrough we played well. Norwich was disappointing that even as an in form side, we didn’t trouble them. And QPR was an absolute shambles. But we had so many of those under Cifuentes, Southamton away, Sheff Utd x 2, QPR away, Watford on Boxing Day, Charlton at home come to mind.

The difference is, in some of the games under Rowett, we can say we did enough that we could have won. Under Cifuentes, even the majority of the games that we did win were very fortunate and we were outplayed every week. Cifuentes got lucky with how many points he got in the end.

Massively embarrassing for Ipswich. Either they have knowingly let a massively divisive figure use the club for publicity and go against keeping politics out of football as well as upsetting their supporters (based on their forum). Or, it is mentioned it wasn’t official and they booked the tour without using Farage or Reform in the booking, and bought the shirt themselves as a publicity stunt. That would also be embarrassing for the club to have let that happen.

I agree re Oxford. It feels they might have peaked too soon. Or rather peaked and not clear of danger. Our hope has to be Oxford’s form continues to drop back after their few wins. And Portsmouth continue to drop. Hopefully Ipswich are still well on for autos when they play Portsmouth!

Oh yeah I know. And the remaining fixtures are what decides it and what bookies will go on (I.e Portsmouth have a tough run, we have games we should be winning). Obviously the projections posted are from past form, even recently over 5/10 games. But as we know, Oxford have had a very good run that might be curtailing with getting pegged back against Charlton last weekend and losing to Southampton this weekend gone. But their 5 game form will still reflect quite well. West Brom have back to back wins, Blackburn have had some good results in that time too.

These projections just seem to be getting us relegated earlier/by a bigger margin!