Next Leader of the Opposition

[Molly]

 

Do you mind if I ask how old you are?

 

Joined 220715.

[Webbo]

Joined 220715.

Enigmatic. Don't worry I'll draw my own conclusions.

 

Now tell me what was so hard to understand about this?

 

Some will , some won't. We're all individuals. Govts can't change people's personalities.

 

 

 

[Molly]

Now tell me what was so hard to understand about this?

 

I understand we're all individuals but I don't understand what that has to do with the eternal circle which generally keeps the rich rich and the poor poor.

 

Neither do I understand the relevance of governments changing people's personalities. We don't want them to change personalities we want them to help ALL the people that they represent and to protect the weak and reign in the powerful ...

[Webbo]

I understand we're all individuals but I don't understand what that has to do with the eternal circle which generally keeps the rich rich and the poor poor.

 

Neither do I understand the relevance of governments changing people's personalities. We don't want them to change personalities we want them to help ALL the people that they represent and to protect the weak and reign in the powerful ...

Because, contrary to leftwing myth,the children of the poor do not always stay poor. Those with the drive and determination to change their circumstances will advance in life, those who prefer to sit back and blame their parents, the govt, society in general will never rise above their background.That's all down to their personality type and no govt can do anything to change that.

[Molly]

Because, contrary to leftwing myth,the children of the poor do not always stay poor. Those with the drive and determination to change their circumstances will advance in life, those who prefer to sit back and blame their parents, the govt, society in general will never rise above their background.That's all down to their personality type and no govt can do anything to change that.

 

That is not true.

 

There have been many studies that show in general the poor stay poor and the rich stay rich.

 

It is because a few cases the poor become rich that they get in the news - Branson and other self made men - but generally the rich just perpetuate their richness.

 

Sadly it's not just down to ability and drive.

 

You said something yesterday about not having the skill of DD but that he could paint meaning that he should earn more.

 

If your parents had been rich and had simply force fed you great coordination coaches then football coaches from the moment you were born you would more than likely have been able to play football in the leagues. Who was to blame for that? The govt? The Education system? Your teachers? your parents? Who?

[MPH]

I think the naive thing to believe is that the only way the poor are helped is for money to be put directly into their hand and that its only ' the super rich' that are helped if a buisness is given tax breaks...

 

 

 

I know im not the only one to see it this way as there had to have been a fair chunk of working class people who must of voted for the tories, for them to win an outright majority..

[Molly]

Sorry just to add - when you mean personality type are you actually referring to the genetic make-up of a person?

 

If you are is it right that a person should be penalised for something they cannot change or control whilst someone else benefits from something that they cannot change or control?

 

Or as the far right would suggest should we eliminate those weak genes and only breed the strong genes.

 

It would be a good argument for sterilising some of those morons who do claim benefits without even anintention of working and simply have more kids to augment their benefits and abuse the system.

[Molly]

I think the naive thing to believe is that the only way the poor are helped is for money to be put directly into their hand and that its only ' the super rich' that are helped if a buisness is given tax breaks...

 

 

 

I know im not the only one to see it this way as there had to have been a fair chunk of working class people who must of voted for the tories, for them to win an outright majority..

 

I don't think anyone has said that. It would be very idiot! Sadly even if better education and training was given that wouldn't be enough for some whose genes fail to meet the required standards. How many of us can do calculus in our heads?

 

In fact I think you are the first to suggest that money is the only way to help the situation.

[Webbo]

That is not true.

 

There have been many studies that show in general the poor stay poor and the rich stay rich.

 

It is because a few cases the poor become rich that they get in the news - Branson and other self made men - but generally the rich just perpetuate their richness.

 

Sadly it's not just down to ability and drive.

 

You said something yesterday about not having the skill of DD but that he could paint meaning that he should earn more.

 

If your parents had been rich and had simply force fed you great coordination coaches then football coaches from the moment you were born you would more than likely have been able to play football in the leagues. Who was to blame for that? The govt? The Education system? Your teachers? your parents? Who?

When you've experienced a bit of life you learn to believe your own experiences and not academic studies. I know plenty of people from humble backgrounds that have raised themselves up, not millionaires but they have comfortable middle class lives. I also know some children of the rich who, left to their own devices, would ruin the businesses their parents have built up so it's not as black and white as you'd think.

 

As for football, spending billions wouldn't make me a good player.

[MPH]

Because, contrary to leftwing myth,the children of the poor do not always stay poor. Those with the drive and determination to change their circumstances will advance in life, those who prefer to sit back and blame their parents, the govt, society in general will never rise above their background.That's all down to their personality type and no govt can do anything to change that.

 

 

That is not true.

 

There have been many studies that show in general the poor stay poor and the rich stay rich.

 

It is because a few cases the poor become rich that they get in the news - Branson and other self made men - but generally the rich just perpetuate their richness.

 

Sadly it's not just down to ability and drive.

 

You said something yesterday about not having the skill of DD but that he could paint meaning that he should earn more.

 

If your parents had been rich and had simply force fed you great coordination coaches then football coaches from the moment you were born you would more than likely have been able to play football in the leagues. Who was to blame for that? The govt? The Education system? Your teachers? your parents? Who?

 

 

 

When i was young we were so poor my mum had to sell her wedding ring for 5 pounds just so we could eat that day. There are many things that she had to sell to pay for food.

 

 

Im no super rich person by any stretch of the imagination but i have worked really hard and got myself a nicely paying job my own house and do not consider myself poor at all... my sister works in tyhe legal department of a big company and ,my brother travels the world on buisness and makes a lot of money. He also sold some shares in microsoft a few years back and so you can imagine how much money that made him.

 

 

so i would suggest its way more accurate to say, as webbo did " the children of poor peop;le don't always stay poor" than it is to say "the poor stay poor"

[Webbo]

Sorry just to add - when you mean personality type are you actually referring to the genetic make-up of a person?

 

If you are is it right that a person should be penalised for something they cannot change or control whilst someone else benefits from something that they cannot change or control?

 

Or as the far right would suggest should we eliminate those weak genes and only breed the strong genes.

 

It would be a good argument for sterilising some of those morons who do claim benefits without even anintention of working and simply have more kids to augment their benefits and abuse the system.

Now I've already asked you to tone down the hyperbole, nobody is suggesting eugenics.

 

Is it right I was born with no sporting talent? Who cares there's nothing I can do about it. Lifes not fair, get over it.

[Buce]

I know im not the only one to see it this way as there had to have been a fair chunk of working class people who must of voted for the tories, for them to win an outright majority..

The Tory press are largely to thank for that; the majority of the electorate are politically uneducated and get no further than the front page soundbites.

Turkeys voting for Xmas.

[Strokes]

Sorry just to add - when you mean personality type are you actually referring to the genetic make-up of a person?

 

If you are is it right that a person should be penalised for something they cannot change or control whilst someone else benefits from something that they cannot change or control?

 

Or as the far right would suggest should we eliminate those weak genes and only breed the strong genes.

 

It would be a good argument for sterilising some of those morons who do claim benefits without even anintention of working and simply have more kids to augment their benefits and abuse the system.

What do you mean by penalised?

[MPH]

The Tory press are largely to thank for that; the majority of the electorate are politically uneducated and get no further than the front page soundbites.

Turkeys voting for Xmas.

 

 

 

Thats a myth. Newspapers sales are on a sharp decline. have been for years now. Millions less newspapers sold daily than there was in the 90's

[Buce]

Thats a myth. Newspapers sales are on a sharp decline. have been for years now. Millions less newspapers sold daily than there was in the 90's

You don't have to buy a newspaper to read the front page soundbites - I see them every time I go to the supermarket.

And those that do spread the disinformation as fact via social media.

What's the quote? 'A lie will be halfway around the world before the truth gets out of bed'?

[MPH]

You don't have to buy a newspaper to read the front page soundbites - I see them every time I go to the supermarket.

And those that do spread the disinformation as fact via social media.

What's the quote? 'A lie will be halfway around the world before the truth gets out of bed'?

 

 

 

So you are saying all those people who disagree with you and are clearly in the wrong are influenced by those 5 seconds it takes them to walk past a newspaper stand?

 

 

 

So those who are 'politically educated' make the right decisions?

 

 

 

In that case it can be argued that the majority of Tory voters are probably politically educated....   ( the so called buisness worlds ).

[Nalis]

Would love it Corybn got it just to see what would happen.

Whats the point of having an opposition leader who is basically a watered down version of the PM?

[Strokes]

You don't have to buy a newspaper to read the front page soundbites - I see them every time I go to the supermarket.

And those that do spread the disinformation as fact via social media.

What's the quote? 'A lie will be halfway around the world before the truth gets out of bed'?

Come on buce the left wing press spread as much bullshit as the right, thick gullible people will always be thick and gullible whoever they are following.

[enmac]

Come on buce the left wing press spread as much bullshit as the right, thick gullible people will always be thick and gullible whoever they are following.

Left wing press?. Where? Or do you mean left of centre right?

Come on buce the left wing press spread as much bullshit as the right, thick gullible people will always be thick and gullible whoever they are following.

Left wing press?. Where? Or do you mean left of centre right?

[MPH]

Left wing press?. Where? Or do you mean left of centre right?

 

 

[bovril]

 

He's got a point though. There is no real 'left-wing press' in the UK. At least not in the mainstream, at least not truly left-wing.

[Molly]

When you've experienced a bit of life you learn to believe your own experiences and not academic studies. I know plenty of people from humble backgrounds that have raised themselves up, not millionaires but they have comfortable middle class lives. I also know some children of the rich who, left to their own devices, would ruin the businesses their parents have built up so it's not as black and white as you'd think.

 

As for football, spending billions wouldn't make me a good player.

 

I guess that's your opinion.

 

I would prefer to listen to academics who study these things seriously and look at thousands more cases than 1 persons own experiences. For instance I suppose your experiences are all involved with Leicester or North Leicester people as opposed to places throughout England.

 

Anyway, we won't progress further on that one so I'll leave it alone.

[Molly]

Now I've already asked you to tone down the hyperbole, nobody is suggesting eugenics.

 

Is it right I was born with no sporting talent? Who cares there's nothing I can do about it. Lifes not fair, get over it.

 

I suggested that killing people would be the only way to remove all the unemployed. I didn't see you offer any other alternative.

 

So following your reasoning, people born with physical and mental problems (and there are a lot of them) should get over it and just accept that they shouldn't get benefits and live badly until they die. Or do you accept that these may be exceptions to your must be employed people and that there may be other exceptions too?

The Tory press are largely to thank for that; the majority of the electorate are politically uneducated and get no further than the front page soundbites.

Turkeys voting for Xmas.

 

Webbo already shot that down.

[johnny the fox]

Would love it Corybn got it just to see what would happen.

Whats the point of having an opposition leader who is basically a watered down version of the PM?

And if trump becomes president..like to be on that wall when they meet..ha ha 

[Molly]

What do you mean by penalised?

 

In this circumstance I meant that they shouldn't be allowed a reasonable life.

Thats a myth. Newspapers sales are on a sharp decline. have been for years now. Millions less newspapers sold daily than there was in the 90's

 

Perhaps he used the word press instead of media.