Guest Bilo Posted 30 July 2015 Posted 30 July 2015 Soon as I say I'd hammer Burnham he jumps out to 6/4 and Corbyn comes into favourite Political hari-kiri if we're being honest. The bat shit crazy wing of the Labour membership well in control of this election, and it's seriously depressing.
Guest Posted 30 July 2015 Posted 30 July 2015 Corbyn now even money to win this. I didn't think it was possible but it seems likely now. He's getting plenty of support and it just keeps coming in. I'm a leftie but a realist too. I think the party going even more Left removes realistic hope of taking the next election.
Webbo Posted 30 July 2015 Posted 30 July 2015 Corbyn now even money to win this. I didn't think it was possible but it seems likely now. He's getting plenty of support and it just keeps coming in. I'm a leftie but a realist too. I think the party going even more Left removes realistic hope of taking the next election.
Guest Bilo Posted 31 July 2015 Posted 31 July 2015 I think the vote of no confidence will follow within a year. The Tories had IDS, the Lib Dems had Campbell and Labour now look ready to elect their own lame duck leader. It's recoverable provided he's replaced quickly, but if he's still in by the time of the EU referendum in 2017, we're sleepwalking to a Tory landslide.
Guest MattP Posted 31 July 2015 Posted 31 July 2015 This is a disaster whether he lasts a year or not. You're effectively showing the whole country your core membership is a load of barmy marxists. How can only 25% of members want Burnham as leader from those four? This could be the end of the Labour party.
leicsmac Posted 31 July 2015 Posted 31 July 2015 This is a disaster whether he lasts a year or not. You're effectively showing the whole country your core membership is a load of barmy marxists. How can only 25% of members want Burnham as leader from those four? This could be the end of the Labour party. If the Tories can survive IDS and Howard (shudder) then Labour can survive Corbyn. Kills off any chance of a win in 2020 and makes things shaky for 2025, though.
Lionator Posted 31 July 2015 Posted 31 July 2015 But this is a democratic vote. This is who labour members want. What is more important, sticking to your political beliefs or ditching them and winning an election?
johnny the fox Posted 31 July 2015 Posted 31 July 2015 The idea the voters were wrong and Labour were not left wing enough ...just beggers belief . but hey.. its a free country..
Molly Posted 31 July 2015 Posted 31 July 2015 Great move by Labour. Redefined as not a tory copy that will never get into power.
Guest MattP Posted 31 July 2015 Posted 31 July 2015 If the Tories can survive IDS and Howard (shudder) then Labour can survive Corbyn. Kills off any chance of a win in 2020 and makes things shaky for 2025, though. Had UKIP had the support they have now at that point in time I think they would have really been weakened. Although as bad as those appointments were they are still nowhere near as much of a jump to the fringes as Corbyn is. We are talking about the second biggest political party here possibly appointing a leader the Greens would turn down, a man who wants to leave NATO, a man who doesn't even pretend to promise he can deliver anything he claims. It's more ridiculous the more I think about it. Good read from Dan Hodges today in the Telegraph, Labour party pundit who says it's about time people stopped taking Labour as a serious party if they do actually elect this man.
Rincewind Posted 31 July 2015 Posted 31 July 2015 Is wanting better housing, anti Iraq war and better schools really a bad or primary a left wing thing? https://www.facebook.com/peopleforcorbyn I don't think so but unfortunately that is not the way the general public minds work these days. People are focussed on their own lives and interests as a result of the Thatcher and Blair years. It will be hard to recover from that. Dave Ward the leader of the CWU said "There is a virus within the Labour party and Jeremy Corbyn is the antidote." "we do not see arguing for fairer wealth distribution, decent jobs with good pay, terms and conditions and a substantial increase in affordable housing for the next generation as a leftwing agenda"
Darkon84 Posted 31 July 2015 Posted 31 July 2015 Is wanting better housing, anti Iraq war and better schools really a bad or primary a left wing thing? https://www.facebook.com/peopleforcorbyn I don't think so but unfortunately that is not the way the general public minds work these days. People are focussed on their own lives and interests as a result of the Thatcher and Blair years. It will be hard to recover from that. Dave Ward the leader of the CWU said "There is a virus within the Labour party and Jeremy Corbyn is the antidote." "we do not see arguing for fairer wealth distribution, decent jobs with good pay, terms and conditions and a substantial increase in affordable housing for the next generation as a leftwing agenda" You'll be hard pressed to find any politician who doesn't want those things, they aren't Corbyn-specific.
Guest MattP Posted 31 July 2015 Posted 31 July 2015 Being anti Iraq war is great but what relevance does it have now? Corbyns house building plans will be popular but what's the point if he can't do it? Who defines what better schools are? If Jeremy Corbyn can show me where his money tree is I'll vote for him, if he can't I'll assume he's going to try and steal more money off people and I won't. Corbyn left his wife because she sent her child to a private school, is that a man than really wants the best for people?
Rincewind Posted 31 July 2015 Posted 31 July 2015 You'll be hard pressed to find any politician who doesn't want those things, they aren't Corbyn-specific. That is my point. Corbyn is being torn to shreds by sections of the media as well as members of his own party yet his ideals and beliefs is based on those things. A lot of the negativity is focussing on other things. Is it a coincidence that he and Dennis Skinner are the two most far left members of the party and have the lowest expense claims yet are two of the most disliked amongst other MP's?
Darkon84 Posted 31 July 2015 Posted 31 July 2015 That is my point. Corbyn is being torn to shreds by sections of the media as well as members of his own party yet his ideals and beliefs is based on those things. A lot of the negativity is focussing on other things. Is it a coincidence that he and Dennis Skinner are the two most far left members of the party and have the lowest expense claims yet are two of the most disliked amongst other MP's? He's being torn to shreds for being a bit of a lunatic, not because he has low expenses or can use hindsight to be anti-Iraq. As Matt says above, leaving your wife because she sent her child to a private school, strikes me as something which someone with serious issues would do.
Guest Kopfkino Posted 31 July 2015 Posted 31 July 2015 Being anti Iraq war is great but what relevance does it have now? Corbyns house building plans will be popular but what's the point if he can't do it? Who defines what better schools are? If Jeremy Corbyn can show me where his money tree is I'll vote for him, if he can't I'll assume he's going to try and steal more money off people and I won't. Corbyn left his wife because she sent her child to a private school, is that a man than really wants the best for people? It wasn't even a private school, it was a state grammar school that he refused to let him go to I'm quite enjoying all this Corbynomics, its funny that people really believe that stuff makes sense and is possible, unfortunately I had to tutor a kid for economics that will think it's all wonderful though probably still not far enough. Looking forward to Varoufakis coming here, winning a by election and becoming shadow chancellor too
Guest MattP Posted 31 July 2015 Posted 31 July 2015 His shadow cabinet should be fantastic - expecting spots for Varoufakis, Scargill and Galloway.
Frank to be Posted 31 July 2015 Posted 31 July 2015 Here we go again with the 'we can't afford to help poor people' nonsense. We can afford to spy on them illegally, of course we can, but feeding them? Sorry no money. Meanwhile the tories economic 'safe pair of hands' continues to primarily benefit corporate CEOs and bankers, people who get paid millions yo play around with other people's lives while risking and contributing nothing of their own. 'But if we raise taxes they'll leave the country" they cry. Good. Let them leave.
Mark_w Posted 31 July 2015 Posted 31 July 2015 Here we go again with the 'we can't afford to help poor people' nonsense. We can afford to spy on them illegally, of course we can, but feeding them? Sorry no money. Meanwhile the tories economic 'safe pair of hands' continues to primarily benefit corporate CEOs and bankers, people who get paid millions yo play around with other people's lives while risking and contributing nothing of their own. 'But if we raise taxes they'll leave the country" they cry. Good. Let them leave. You're literally the antithesis of MattP, fine in the general chat, absolute knob in the football forum. Edit: No offence.
Rincewind Posted 31 July 2015 Posted 31 July 2015 There are peoplenow joining the Labour Party just to vote for Corbyn whereas prior to the election people were leaving because of the Blairesque way the party had become. Ok so a lot of Corbyns ideas may be unrealistic but for people struggling on low incomes, the vulnerable and those being targeted he is their only hope. Saw a story today about a mum who is a full time carer for her son who has a disability and receives DLA. She was asked to go to a jobcentre for an interview, The jobcentre she was told to go to was not local but a train journey. The woman doing the interview did not seem to have any understanding for her situation suggesting she have an outside carer. The woman said this would not work as her son has mood swings and has a set routine. He would have to go to a special needs school and the mother would have to be available if there were any problems and had to be called out. She is taking advice regarding this but it should never have happened. The interviewer or DWP should have had the relevant information and did the research. These are the sort of people turning to Corbyn because the other parties do not seem to care about them and will not rock the boat by speaking out for them.
Rincewind Posted 31 July 2015 Posted 31 July 2015 You're literally the antithesis of MattP, fine in the general chat, absolute knob in the football forum. Edit: No offence. So Mattp is fine in the Football section and a knb in General Chat? Bit unfair on Matt.
Mark_w Posted 31 July 2015 Posted 31 July 2015 So Mattp is fine in the Football section and a knb in General Chat? Bit unfair on Matt. Knob was probably a bit strong, sorry, just wrong.
davieG Posted 31 July 2015 Posted 31 July 2015 Perhaps a shit storm in the political arena is what is needed to upset the cosy equilibrium we seem yo have settled into.
Guest MattP Posted 31 July 2015 Posted 31 July 2015 Here we go again with the 'we can't afford to help poor people' nonsense. We can afford to spy on them illegally, of course we can, but feeding them? Sorry no money. Meanwhile the tories economic 'safe pair of hands' continues to primarily benefit corporate CEOs and bankers, people who get paid millions yo play around with other people's lives while risking and contributing nothing of their own. 'But if we raise taxes they'll leave the country" they cry. Good. Let them leave. Who has said we can't afford to help poor people? We have one of the most generous welfare budgetrs in the World in this country, we already do help them to a huge extent. Brilliant stuff, you realise the top 1% actually contribute just short of 30% of the total tax take? And you think you'll be fine just waving goodbye to billions of pounds, this happened in the 70's to some extent and in 2015 it would be even easier for people to uproot and leave. If you need a more recent example there are a few places in Europe you can look at. Carry on with the Corbynnomics though, you're turning yourselves into a party of protest rather than one of a serious proposition for government and that suits me fine.. Knob was probably a bit strong, sorry, just wrong. No offence taken, I realise I'm often a bit of a nob.
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