BoneDog Posted 3 June 2015 Posted 3 June 2015 I think that if you lose a finger it stops bleeding heavily after a while if you hold it up or apply some pressure or something. I had a big wound on my leg once where you could see a vein inside cut nearly all the way through. Blood spurting everywhere but after a short while it slowed down or virtually stopped and I didn't get help for at least half an hour. I think that unless it's a major artery you might be ok on that front. Parafox will know the facts though.
BoneDog Posted 3 June 2015 Posted 3 June 2015 Apparently legs have been lost http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/11647707/Alton-Towers-shut-amid-investigation-into-rollercoaster-crash-as-victim-loses-leg.html That's awful. Really sorry for them and their family.
Hollism Posted 3 June 2015 Posted 3 June 2015 i don't think this is correct*. if he had lost his little finger, he would have bled to death in the time between crash and rescue surely? or at least passed out, yet they said they were all conscious. ] EDIT: It appears i forgot to finish my sentence * It might not be, that could be anyone making up a story for a little bit of attention. I doubt you'd bleed to death though. It didn't take as long to get to the crash as it did to actually get them out. And what BoneDog said too.
GingerrrFox Posted 3 June 2015 Posted 3 June 2015 When you skydive, bungee jump etc you sign a waiver that disclaims the company from responsibility of injury or death. I would assume that something similar is included in the fine print of tickets for theme parks. No?
ramboacdc Posted 3 June 2015 Author Posted 3 June 2015 It might not be, that could be anyone making up a story for a little bit of attention. I doubt you'd bleed to death though. It didn't take as long to get to the crash as it did to actually get them out. And what BoneDog said too. true. they could have treated them in the ride. im guessing they wouldn't move them straight the way anyway because of potential spinal injuries. i always remember the story of a motorcyclist who was killed when he was hit by a car and then his neck snapped when they took his helmet off.
Captain... Posted 3 June 2015 Posted 3 June 2015 When you skydive, bungee jump etc you sign a waiver that disclaims the company from responsibility of injury or death. I would assume that something similar is included in the fine print of tickets for theme parks. No? Yes but these typically don't mean anything in the case of gross misconduct, they only cover the attraction for things out of their control, such as hitting a bird while bungee jumping, an unfortunate accident and you can't sue as you know the risks, but if someone doesn't attach the bungee cord then they are grossly negligent and are not covered by such waivers. As for bleeding out, the emergency services got there within an hour and treated the most seriously injured immediately, it was the last ones to be rescued that had been trapped for over 4 hours not everyone.
stripeyfox Posted 3 June 2015 Posted 3 June 2015 You'd be unlikely to bleed to death from losing a finger, but although it took 4 hours to complete the rescue they were receiving medical attention very quickly. It seems that the most seriously injured were extracted from the train and then lowered into the "pit" where the ride sits for further attention before then being hoisted out of the pit for evacuation by air ambulance. Much is made of it taking so long, but these rescues cannot be rushed. In fact, hats off to the fireman and paramedics who took part in what looks like a very difficult incident.
stripeyfox Posted 3 June 2015 Posted 3 June 2015 When you skydive, bungee jump etc you sign a waiver that disclaims the company from responsibility of injury or death. I would assume that something similar is included in the fine print of tickets for theme parks. No? I think it is reasonable to assume that when you attend a theme park, you can expect to leave at the end of the day in one piece and not by air ambulance. Besides disclaimers rarely have any legal standing if a breach of the law is found. Just because I say "it isn't my fault if you die" doesn't mean it isn't.
EnderbyFox Posted 3 June 2015 Posted 3 June 2015 https://twitter.com/JoePugh_/status/605687262433673216
Simi Posted 3 June 2015 Posted 3 June 2015 http://i.imgur.com/cTk1KyE.jpg Absolutely shameful stuff. Awful that Sky News feels like we need to know the names of these people as well.
StanSP Posted 3 June 2015 Posted 3 June 2015 Not sure where it's confirmed someone has lost a leg. On the Reddit link: REPORTEDLY lost a leg. West Mids Ambulance (https://officialwmas.wordpress.com/2015/06/02/alton-towers-update-3/) and a local newspaper (Birmingham Mail - http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/live-alton-towers-smiler-rollercoaster-9380444) have suggested nothing of the sort or have been unable to confirm it in the latter's case. EDIT: For those concerned about the four serious injured ones, there has been an update: 12:20pm [...] A spokesman for the University Hospitals of North Midlands NHS Trust said one of the four seriously injured people admitted to the major trauma centre at Royal Stoke University Hospital has since been discharged. EDIT 2: 1:41pm - Alton Towers have said the carriage was travelling at 20mph when it crashed. permalink save report give gold reply [–]OoohShinies 5 points 2 hours ago A West Midlands Ambulance Service spokeswoman said: [...] "The 27-year-old male was then airlifted to University Hospital Coventry and Warwickshire whilst the others were flown to Royal Stoke University Hospital for further emergency treatment." She said the remaining 12 occupants were released one at a time over four hours and lowered to the ground in order for a further assessment of their condition. "One of the 12, a male in his 20s was treated for neck and abdominal injury and was taken to the Royal Stoke University Hospital by land ambulance for further assessment and treatment," she said. Sadly I suspect the one who has been discharged would probably have been the one taken by land ambulance, not one of the people from the front seats of the ride. 'reportedly' loses a leg is the key part.
stripeyfox Posted 3 June 2015 Posted 3 June 2015 Absolutely shameful stuff. Awful that Sky News feels like we need to know the names of these people as well. Doesn't surprise me at all. A few years ago an old school friend of mine was murdered. I'd barely seen her since school but next thing I've got reporters from the Daily Mail and Mirror knocking my door whilst I'm getting the kids ready for bed asking me about her! Basically they'd trawled her facebook and were tracking down "friends". Apparently nothing illegal about this - they can get the info from the electoral roll, but it's disgraceful. Told the first one politely to fck off and the second one much less politely....
Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot Posted 3 June 2015 Posted 3 June 2015 How reliable is a post from reddit? Not very is my guess.
ramboacdc Posted 3 June 2015 Author Posted 3 June 2015 When you skydive, bungee jump etc you sign a waiver that disclaims the company from responsibility of injury or death. I would assume that something similar is included in the fine print of tickets for theme parks. No? it will be, of course it will be. However how much face would the company lose if they used that as a defence in court? they very well could but doing so would make them look like the big bad guys. They will settle out of court if anything happens with it.
Frank to be Posted 3 June 2015 Posted 3 June 2015 So much for German engineering. I read earlier that the German company who built this ride had a fatality on another of their rides a couple of years back. Dreadful. I was so convinced that something like this couldn't happen that I strongly suspected foul play, but so far there has been no suggestion of that, just horrific incompetence on the part of probably several people from designers through to operators.
ramboacdc Posted 3 June 2015 Author Posted 3 June 2015 that guys last twitter update:@JoePugh_ Been at Alton towers two mins and some twats already ran my foot over with a push chair
Guest MattP Posted 3 June 2015 Posted 3 June 2015 http://i.imgur.com/cTk1KyE.jpg Looks a bit like The Doctor.
Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot Posted 3 June 2015 Posted 3 June 2015 that guys last twitter update: Been at Alton towers two mins and some twats already ran my foot over with a push chair Is he the one who's reportedly lost a leg? Horribly ironic, if so.
ramboacdc Posted 3 June 2015 Author Posted 3 June 2015 Is he the one who's reportedly lost a leg? Horribly ironic, if so. he's the only one sky news have named. to be honest all they have done is follow the breadcrumbs on twitter and saw his mates talking about it. they haven't had an official line. not like foxcorp to be intrusive eh?
GingerrrFox Posted 3 June 2015 Posted 3 June 2015 I think it is reasonable to assume that when you attend a theme park, you can expect to leave at the end of the day in one piece and not by air ambulance. Besides disclaimers rarely have any legal standing if a breach of the law is found. Just because I say "it isn't my fault if you die" doesn't mean it isn't. I imagine it will depend on if there has been gross negligence or rather employee misconduct. You say disclaimers rarely have any standing if there is a breach of the law, it's hard to see what laws Alton Towers or rather Merlin Entertainments as a company has broken if any? That is exactly what disclaimers are used to prevent, any blame in a case of accidental injury or death. it will be, of course it will be. However how much face would the company lose if they used that as a defence in court? they very well could but doing so would make them look like the big bad guys. They will settle out of court if anything happens with it. Yes I'm merely asking to determine the size of the settlement as they will clearly do it for PR and to make this all go away but it's not going to be much compensation in the light of the trauma and injuries sustained.
Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot Posted 3 June 2015 Posted 3 June 2015 If I was on the third row and had a bit of whiplash I'd be straight down the doctors on the PTSD angle.
ramboacdc Posted 3 June 2015 Author Posted 3 June 2015 I imagine it will depend on if there has been gross negligence or rather employee misconduct. You say disclaimers rarely have any standing if there is a breach of the law, it's hard to see what laws Alton Towers or rather Merlin Entertainments as a company has broken if any? That is exactly what disclaimers are used to prevent blame in a case of accidental injury or death. Yes I'm merely asking to determine the size of the settlement as they will clearly do it for PR and to make this all go away but it's not going to be much compensation in the light of the trauma and injuries sustained. there will be the usual rigmoral around it all. the plaintiffs will file for a ridonkulous amount and it will be settled undisclosed. Alton Towers PR are good at keeping us informed about the park and they are replying to every tweet they have got so far but in regards to facts, they havent given us anything. this could be due to respect for the families or to save face as a tweet or anything with the logo on it that says "visitor's sustained severe damage to legs" is going to take another hit on them. Right now all we know is there has been a crash and thats it. sadly everything else is speculation and the rumour mill starts running riot. for all we know these guys may have all come out of hospital by now. i doubt it but i like to work with facts. sadly at the moment we have none. they have closed the park tomorrow now as well. makes me think this is very serious. it has to be.
ramboacdc Posted 3 June 2015 Author Posted 3 June 2015 officially named on BBC now. well first two have: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-32997703
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