Thai Flag outside our ground...

[bovril]

i'm not suggesting racism - just that we chill out a bit. Are people seriously really that bothered about a bit of gold or a flag when these guys -good good guys have gone about revolutionalising our club in the most respectful manner! Top fell in love with our club when he watched us beat Middlesborough in the 2000 league cup final. Thai people have a great sense of tradition and that extends to not destroying ours but doing little things to put their mark on our club, which in itself builds our brand in Thailand and the east which itself generates income that helps us grow and establish ourselves as a global brand. Isn't this what we ALL want ?

 

Whether they're good guys who have helped the club is irrelevant. If they changed our home kit colour from blue to red, for example, I wouldn't accept it just because they financed our return to the Premiership. And no, not all of us are that bothered about being a 'global brand'. Getting promoted for me was about the glory for the team, not selling ourselves to the Asian market.

And Russians have a sense of tradition, if Abramovich employed Orthodox Monks and put Russian bears outside the ground I don't think all Chelsea fans would react positively.

Ultimately I'm not that fussed about it, but some people might be. Doesn't mean they're wrong or even "racist".

[Bagworthblue]

Whether they're good guys who have helped the club is irrelevant. If they changed our home kit colour from blue to red, for example, I wouldn't accept it just because they financed our return to the Premiership. And no, not all of us are that bothered about being a 'global brand'. Getting promoted for me was about the glory for the team, not selling ourselves to the Asian market.

And Russians have a sense of tradition, if Abramovich employed Orthodox Monks and put Russian bears outside the ground I don't think all Chelsea fans would react positively.

Ultimately I'm not that fussed about it, but some people might be. Doesn't mean they're wrong or even "racist".

but they haven't changed the kit from blue to red and I'm not aware of any Russian Bears prowling the streets of Chelsea and getting to the prem is one thing but staying there is another and this is not 1980. To succeed today you do need to be a global brand because every bugger you are competing with is trying to!! Why restrict your income to people in Leicester when you can sell merchandise all over the world! And at no point have i made any suggestion that anyone is being racist, just that people chill out a bit ! Maybe I need to chill out about other people not chilling out.

[Harry - LCFC]

At a minimum it is xenophobic.

Would it be xenophobic to be against hanging a Thai flag outside Buckingham Palace, Stonehenge or one of our medieval castles?

No, it would not. It is not appropriate to hang another nation's flag outside any of the locations I've listed because they are expressions of British culture.

I think the same applies to Leicester City.

[Carl the Llama]

Would it be xenophobic to be against hanging a Thai flag outside Buckingham Palace, Stonehenge or one of our medieval castles?

No, it would not. It is not appropriate to hang another nation's flag outside any of the locations I've lists because they are expressions of British culture.

I think the same applies to Leicester City.

Wouldn't the Thai flag be put up outside Buckingham if the King of Thailand made a state visit?  If we can allow it for a visitor I think we can allow it for the people who legally own the land.

[Merging Cultures]

Would it be xenophobic to be against hanging a Thai flag outside Buckingham Palace, Stonehenge or one of our medieval castles?

No, it would not. It is not appropriate to hang another nation's flag outside any of the locations I've listed because they are expressions of British culture.

I think the same applies to Leicester City.

Haha!! What a ridiculous comment.

How the duck is the King Power the same as Buckingham Palace (inhabited by Germans), Stonehenge (where a metal worker from the Mediterranean, a bowman from France and an archer from Germany are buried) or mediaeval castles (generally built after 1066). Oh wait!!

Perhaps someone needs to understand our history a bit better...

[LJS]

i'm not suggesting racism - just that we chill out a bit. Are people seriously really that bothered about a bit of gold or a flag when these guys -good good guys have gone about revolutionalising our club in the most respectful manner! Top fell in love with our club when he watched us beat Middlesborough in the 2000 league cup final. Thai people have a great sense of tradition and that extends to not destroying ours but doing little things to put their mark on our club, which in itself builds our brand in Thailand and the east which itself generates income that helps us grow and establish ourselves as a global brand. Isn't this what we ALL want ?

As if people still believe the old 'Top fell in love with us after the '97 League Cup final' story.

As for wanting to establish ourselves as a global brand, I genuinely couldn't care. The corporate side of football is nauseating and I prefer to pretend it doesn't exist.

And to the bloke who thinks it's xenophobic to have an issue with the flag; it really isn't. I don't have to dislike foreigners to think the flag has no place there.

[Harry - LCFC]

Wouldn't the Thai flag be put up outside Buckingham if the King of Thailand made a state visit? If we can allow it for a visitor I think we can allow it for the people who legally own the land.

I think that's a fair point. It probably ought to be secondary in some way then. The present set up seems to imply that LCFC is half Thai, half British, which isn't really correct

[Harry - LCFC]

Haha!! What a ridiculous comment.

How the duck is the King Power the same as Buckingham Palace (inhabited by Germans), Stonehenge (where a metal worker from the Mediterranean, a bowman from France and an archer from Germany are buried) or mediaeval castles (generally built after 1066). Oh wait!!

Perhaps someone needs to understand our history a bit better...

They're still ours though aren't they? Details like that do little to detract from that.

Still, at least we've moved away from the reflex response of "racism" towards a genuine attempt to answer the question of whether LCFC is British or not.

[Merging Cultures]

I think that's a fair point. It probably ought to be secondary in some way then. The present set up seems to imply that LCFC is half Thai, half British, which isn't really correct

100% owned by the Thais, so I guess it should be primary. You really are getting worked up over a load of xenophobic nonsense.

What are you scared about? That we will lose our identity or history?

[Carl the Llama]

I think that's a fair point. It probably ought to be secondary in some way then. The present set up seems to imply that LCFC is half Thai, half British, which isn't really correct

I'm with MC on this. Leicester City is a Thai-owned company so if any flag should have pride of place outside our club it should be the Thailand one.  The Union Flag retaining pride of place alongside it should convince you that they do care about the club's historical identity, not the opposite.

[Merging Cultures]

They're still ours though aren't they? Details like that do little to detract from that.

Still, at least we've moved away from the reflex response of "racism" towards a genuine attempt to answer the question of whether LCFC is British or not.

Little details such as the nationality of the monarchy, who built the castles and ancient burial grounds. Just little details!

LCFC is a business, it only exists because of investors. It is domiciled in the UK, which allows it to operate in the English FA and Premier League. The business provides entertainment to fans who purchase tickets and merchandise, and due to being a successful business they receive royalties from commercial sponsorships, including the PL tv deals.

I too feel brand loyalty to 'The Foxes', but it's just a business, and the emotions you feel are generated to encourage you to spend money to benefit the owners, regardless of their nationality.

[Harry - LCFC]

100% owned by the Thais, so I guess it should be primary. You really are getting worked up over a load of xenophobic nonsense.

What are you scared about? That we will lose our identity or history?

Yawn. Believing that something is British is not xenophobic. Nor is wanting that to be recognised.

[Harry - LCFC]

Little details such as the nationality of the monarchy, who built the castles and ancient burial grounds. Just little details!

LCFC is a business, it only exists because of investors. It is domiciled in the UK, which allows it to operate in the English FA and Premier League. The business provides entertainment to fans who purchase tickets and merchandise, and due to being a successful business they receive royalties from commercial sponsorships, including the PL tv deals.

I too feel brand loyalty to 'The Foxes', but it's just a business, and the emotions you feel are generated to encourage you to spend money to benefit the owners, regardless of their nationality.

It isn't just a business. It's a possession of the community, vastly different to Apple on Sainsbury's.

[Carl the Llama]

Yawn. Believing that something is British is not xenophobic. Nor is wanting that to be recognised.

Telling a business owner that he can't erect his national flag outside his place of work is though.

[Merging Cultures]

Yawn. Believing that something is British is not xenophobic. Nor is wanting that to be recognised.

I guess you can't Google, so this is from Wikipedia...

Xenophobia is the unreasoned fear of that which is perceived to be foreign or strange. Xenophobia can manifest itself in many ways involving the relations and perceptions of an ingroup towards an outgroup, including a fear of losing identity, suspicion of its activities, aggression, and desire to eliminate its presence to secure a presumed purity.

You are demonstrating a lot of these traits.

[Carl the Llama]

It isn't just a business. It's a possession of the community, vastly different to Apple on Sainsbury's.

And you're being rather unfair if you're claiming that the Srivads don't continually recognise that.

[Merging Cultures]

It isn't just a business. It's a possession of the community, vastly different to Apple on Sainsbury's.

But it is just a business. Where do you get this idea it's a possession of the community?!

It's enjoyed by and important to the community, but they don't own it.

[LJS]

But it is just a business. Where do you get this idea it's a possession of the community?!

It's enjoyed by and important to the community, but they don't own it.

If the owners left us tomorrow and nobody else was interested the club would re-emerge in non-league. It would live on for as long as there was interest from the community in sustaining it. A football club does not exist because of or for those who own it. It exists because of and for the community it represents. Leicester City FC was here long before the current owners had even heard of it and will survive long after they disappear.

[Harry - LCFC]

But it is just a business. Where do you get this idea it's a possession of the community?!

It's enjoyed by and important to the community, but they don't own it.

You'd be happy to see games played in the US then? Wimbledon moving to Milton Keynes was perfectly fine then? Of course it's our club. Ownership can be more than a set of legal documents.

[sylofox]

Our owners put 100+mil into our club and give us more than we have had for a decade.

 

They don't want to change our colours and are happy with our name.

 

So they fly there own flag and bring a few monks over every so often.

 

And we have people moaning what if they did something to make us moan kit colour name or pulled out every penny they have put in.

[Strokes]

I guess you can't Google, so this is from Wikipedia...

Xenophobia is the unreasoned fear of that which is perceived to be foreign or strange. Xenophobia can manifest itself in many ways involving the relations and perceptions of an ingroup towards an outgroup, including a fear of losing identity, suspicion of its activities, aggression, and desire to eliminate its presence to secure a presumed purity.

You are demonstrating a lot of these traits.

I fear losing my identity, that's why I keep it firmly in my wallet.

[LJS]

Our owners put 100+mil into our club and give us more than we have had for a decade.

 

They don't want to change our colours and are happy with our name.

 

So they fly there own flag and bring a few monks over every so often.

 

And we have people moaning what if they did something to make us moan kit colour name or pulled out every penny they have put in.

I like the owners but we should never ever feel grateful because they haven't changed the colour of the kit of left us destitute. That should be the minimum requirement. Them being good owners does not mean they cannot or should not be questioned. That's the kind of approach that results in fans being bent over.

[Merging Cultures]

If the owners left us tomorrow and nobody else was interested the club would re-emerge in non-league. It would live on for as long as there was interest from the community in sustaining it. A football club does not exist because of or for those who own it. It exists because of and for the community it represents. Leicester City FC was here long before the current owners had even heard of it and will survive long after they disappear.

I wouldn't get to watch the games and I doubt many fans would bother turning up. But sure, a club with the name LCFC could theoretically run forever, even if it was just 5 aside. But as football fans we want our club to be the best, which requires owners with deep pockets, and the community isn't capable.

You'd be happy to see games played in the US then? Wimbledon moving to Milton Keynes was perfectly fine then? Of course it's our club. Ownership can be more than a set of legal documents.

It's a business, and the way it works is to keep your fans happy. The owners need us to feel like we belong, that we are special, so that we continue to buy tickets and merchandise. If they removed our history, changed the name, played elsewhere, they'd lose fans. There know this, they are not daft. So it is a moot point.

It's only 'our club' because the business of football needs us to believe that.

Why not go and support Oadby Town?!

[Merging Cultures]

I like the owners but we should never ever feel grateful because they haven't changed the colour of the kit of left us destitute. That should be the minimum requirement. Them being good owners does not mean they cannot or should not be questioned. That's the kind of approach that results in fans being bent over.

They could do whatever they want, but they won't because they need you to spend your money. There is nothing romantic, like that it is your club with an amazing history. No. It's their club, they have bought the history, and it is your cash they are interested in. Sorry to break it to you.

[Harry - LCFC]

I guess you can't Google, so this is from Wikipedia...

Xenophobia is the unreasoned fear of that which is perceived to be foreign or strange. Xenophobia can manifest itself in many ways involving the relations and perceptions of an ingroup towards an outgroup, including a fear of losing identity, suspicion of its activities, aggression, and desire to eliminate its presence to secure a presumed purity.

You are demonstrating a lot of these traits.

'Unreasoned' is the key word there.

I cannot be accused of that because the thing I'm (mildly) concerned about is actually happening. It's not a particularly big thing but since the subject came up I felt it was worth stating my view.

I've only continued with this conversation because it annoys me to be unfairly accused of disliking foreigners.