Finnegan Posted 9 June 2015 Posted 9 June 2015 I think knowing more about the players adds an extra dimension. And you still get the mystery players who come out of left field and make a name for themselves.
Alexikokopops Posted 9 June 2015 Posted 9 June 2015 I was just a bit too young to appreciate the football in 90 so the 96 team was the one for me. And just a month after City went up. Same here. My main memories of Italia '90 are Pavarotti and the Mega Drive game.
Guest MattP Posted 9 June 2015 Posted 9 June 2015 I think knowing more about the players adds an extra dimension. And you still get the mystery players who come out of left field and make a name for themselves. I don't think you do, what player came out of left field in the last World Cup to make a huge impact we didn't know something about? It was fantastic when these players were almost mythical, I remember reading about the Colombia side that had defeated Argentina 5-0 in Buenos Aires and couldn't wait to watch them live in 94', we'd seen a bit of Valderrama and we were waiting to see Escobar (who was off to Milan before he got shot) and Asprilla. I still think 94' was the pinnicle of the mystery player though, so many seemed to arrive and produce huge moments in that competition, Salenko, Hagi, Dumitrescu, Etcheverry, Bergkamp, Batistuta, Brolin, Bebeto, Stoichkov, Blanco and his mental two feet trick. It also provided the greatest 4 quarter finals of any sporting knockout tournament I've seen. Same here. My main memories of Italia '90 are Pavarotti and the Mega Drive game. That was quality, looked like little aeroplanes didn't they from a birds eye view?
Darkon84 Posted 9 June 2015 Posted 9 June 2015 I went to see it last night, I was very impressed, it gave a very compassionate portrait of him and I learnt a lot about the guy that I didn't know before. Very rarely watched something where you wanted to laugh so much at times and then also cry so much. He spoke in depth at the Q&A about what the press have done to him, it's terrible, the first time he got sectioned telling his family his phone was being hacked was the straw that broke the camels back and what forced them to commit him and it turns out he was right, wouldn't pick up the phone and speak to his Mum and Dad for months either because he was convinced they were selling stuff to the press before he clicked. They really should be ashamed, they take a some of the responsibility for how he is now, fortunately he seems in a happy place again, I really hope it lasts. I can't agree enough. The memories, the stories, the laughs, and remembering him for how his was, in contrast to the Q&A was almost heartbreaking. The story about borrowing an ostrich to take to training at Spurs was brilliant, I hadn't heard that one before . Then hearing what really happened about the phone hacking and the sectioning was terrible. He was built up to be god-like, only to be shot down by the people that put him there. The death threat at Rangers was something I had previously known, but not quite in that way, and the follow up letter, 'letting him off'. I could go round and round in circles about the whole thing, but that's what the emotions were like, a rollercoaster. The Q&A was a tad uncomfortable as he went off at tangents for long periods, but it's half to be expected now and you could see how emotional he was about getting things off his chest, especially as he's been hacked yet again. I seriously hope he stays strong and carries on being as happy as he says he is. The man was a genius on the pitch (I hate overblown clichés like that, but he really was), and that's the Gazza I'll always think of.
Guest MattP Posted 9 June 2015 Posted 9 June 2015 The Ostrich and the bloke on the camper van stories had me pissing myself, I agree on the Q&A but I can't imagine how he must feel if he is still being hacked, I don't blame him at all for getting emotional.
shen Posted 9 June 2015 Posted 9 June 2015 I don't think you do, what player came out of left field in the last World Cup to make a huge impact we didn't know something about? Most of the Costa Rica team for one, Enner Valencia, Islam Slimani, M'Bolhi, Origi, Vargas. Plenty hadn't proven themselves on the biggest stage yet by that time either: Neymar, James Rodriguez, Cuadrado, Pogba, De Bruyne...
Guest MattP Posted 9 June 2015 Posted 9 June 2015 Most of the Costa Rica team for one, Enner Valencia, Islam Slimani, M'Bolhi, Origi, Vargas. Plenty hadn't proven themselves on the biggest stage yet by that time either: Neymar, James Rodriguez, Cuadrado, Pogba, De Bruyne... Huge impact man, come on. Slimani and Valencia did well but I'd bet the average European football fan wouldn't remember Origi or MBolhi, as for Neymar, Pogba and James etc - These were all players who had already been sold for millions of pounds. I'm talking about times where you had read a paragraph in the paper of these players and you had to wait two months to see them, Youtube has killed some of the fun as well.
Finnegan Posted 9 June 2015 Posted 9 June 2015 I'm obviously not talking suggesting it's the same, it obviously isn't, I made the point you can watch endless global football recently in the transfer section. But there's still clearly players that come out of nowhere every world cup, make a name for themselves and earn moves. Not global superstars, admittedly, but tidy players. To add to shens list there's Honda, Konoplyanka, Yarmalenko, the entire Korean team in 2002, Cuadrado, Besic, Asamoah Gyan, most of the Uruguay 2010 side but particularly Suarez, the great Chris Wood, Javier Hernandez, Mesut Ozil, Sami Khedeira and arguably Alexis Sanchez who all came out of relative obscurity to make headlines in some form or other during the tournament. Of course, that's not quite like seeing a team full of Brazilians you've never seen before win the whole thing but it's still a big part of the fun of major tournaments. There'll always be the football geeks for whom these star turns are less surprising but the average fan who knew much about any of the above before they did anything during a summer and got a move is probably stretching the truth a tad.
shen Posted 9 June 2015 Posted 9 June 2015 Huge impact man, come on. Slimani and Valencia did well but I'd bet the average European football fan wouldn't remember Origi or MBolhi, as for Neymar, Pogba and James etc - These were all players who had already been sold for millions of pounds. I'm talking about times where you had read a paragraph in the paper of these players and you had to wait two months to see them, Youtube has killed some of the fun as well. True, we're not surprised as often as before because our overall knowledge is better. There is rarely a team of no-hopers these days and foreign talent is usually snapped up at a young age from overseas by a lot more European teams than usual. Also, the names you mentioned earlier were hardly nobodies prior to the tournament, but you were younger then and obviously didn't have the same knowledge you do now.
fleckneymike Posted 9 June 2015 Posted 9 June 2015 These TV graphics I remember thinking they were so futuristic. The flags actually fluttered. These were the days where, if you tuned in late, you'd have to stop and watch for a good 10-15 minutes before they'd flash the score up in the corner.
Raj Posted 9 June 2015 Posted 9 June 2015 It was amazing...except the final we which was shite!!! Anyone too young must watch the England v Cameroon and Eng v Germany games. Also Schillachi was a revelation coming from nowhere(I think anway!!) Also the likes of Maradona and Jurgen at their best.....was there Canniga getting hacked by about 3 Cameroon's!!!?? That might have been a different year!!!
bovril Posted 9 June 2015 Posted 9 June 2015 I met Schillaci's brother when I lived in Palermo. He played semi pro and now lives on the street.
Raj Posted 9 June 2015 Posted 9 June 2015 Did schillachi make a big money move after these finals??..Think I might google how he ended up...
Bayfox Posted 9 June 2015 Posted 9 June 2015 Just think. Before sky came along. If it wasn't for italia 90 and gazza heading to lazio. There would have been no james Richardson sitting outside a coffee shop.
fleckneymike Posted 9 June 2015 Posted 9 June 2015 Just think. Before sky came along. If it wasn't for italia 90 and gazza heading to lazio. There would have been no james Richardson sitting outside a coffee shop. Loved football Italia, the blue jokes, the skits at Gazza's house. Loved using teletext to see the club call phone line headlines and having to wait for it to scroll through because city weren't on the first page.
RedHux Posted 9 June 2015 Posted 9 June 2015 That's nothing, this world cup even had a special car.. I saw one the other day (not this one) and the seat fabric was really quite...er...special
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