motdsteve Posted 3 July 2015 Posted 3 July 2015 Hello to the LCFC community. I want to add that I can not understand why we keep getting linked with more strikers. We really need some midfielders in my opinion especially with the Cambiasso and Matty James situations. I guess there is still time to do business but I think we need to move soon. I would also like to say thankyou to Nigel Pearson for all what he did for us and hope the next manager is the right fit.
Simo86 Posted 3 July 2015 Posted 3 July 2015 Who says we're not making moves for midfielders? You don't have to go for one target at a time
lgfualol Posted 3 July 2015 Posted 3 July 2015 We're getting prepared for when a manager comes in and plays one striker, 5 strikers on the bench is a good option.
Haydos Posted 3 July 2015 Posted 3 July 2015 Would imagine someone is on their way out. We've been linked with Gargano and bid for Kante and are looking to re-sign Cambiasso so there are clearly targets.
Danizen Posted 3 July 2015 Posted 3 July 2015 Just bring in Deeney and both the Wilson's and we're good to go as long as no one leaves.
Swiper Posted 3 July 2015 Posted 3 July 2015 I'd imagine Nugent could be on his way out. Either that or maybe they're going to cash in on Vardy or Ulloa.
STUHILL Posted 3 July 2015 Posted 3 July 2015 Wood is gone (for Okazaki) and if Austin does sign then I'm sure Nugent will probably go so there is no change! People need to stop seeing negatives and see positives of signing one of the best strikers in the Prem last season! Geeez Also, Kante?!?! There's one midfielder we are close to signing right there. More to come I'm sure!
benpicko Posted 3 July 2015 Posted 3 July 2015 I'd imagine Nugent could be on his way out. Either that or maybe they're going to cash in on Vardy or Ulloa. Ulloa I'd think would make sense, had a horrible run in the middle of the season where he didn't look like scoring at all and, let's face it, isn't the most skilled and has an awful touch. Offers a lot in other areas (defending set-pieces), but I'd imagine if we got Austin we'd be best offloading to a team looking for pretty much guaranteed goals and not much else. Two of Austin, Kramaric, Vardy, and Okazaki up front with one of Mahrez or Nugent behind looks great
Frank to be Posted 3 July 2015 Posted 3 July 2015 You can't have too many good players at this stage. Can always prune the squad before the window closes. I too would expect someone to leave, probably nugent, if Austin comes in. That would leave us with about the right number of very potent strikers
Swiper Posted 3 July 2015 Posted 3 July 2015 Ulloa I'd think would make sense, had a horrible run in the middle of the season where he didn't look like scoring at all and, let's face it, isn't the most skilled and has an awful touch. Offers a lot in other areas (defending set-pieces), but I'd imagine if we got Austin we'd be best offloading to a team looking for pretty much guaranteed goals and not much else. Two of Austin, Kramaric, Vardy, and Okazaki up front with one of Mahrez or Nugent behind looks great I agree. At first glance Nugent appears to be the most expendable. But if he's sold and we manage to get Austin, now we've got 5 quality starting strikers and have a massive logjam. How do you keep those guys happy? I think that creates more of a problem than it solves, especially when you consider how important a role Nugent plays behind the front two, even if he's just backing Mahrez up. I think Ulloa would fetch a pretty solid price and would make the most sense.
Captain... Posted 3 July 2015 Posted 3 July 2015 We are just preparing our cup team and our league team, we couldn't cope with the demands of Shrewsbury in the League Cup last season, this season we won't be so poorly prepared.
Guest MattP Posted 3 July 2015 Posted 3 July 2015 I agree. At first glance Nugent appears to be the most expendable. But if he's sold and we manage to get Austin, now we've got 5 quality starting strikers and have a massive logjam. How do you keep those guys happy? I think that creates more of a problem than it solves, especially when you consider how important a role Nugent plays behind the front two, even if he's just backing Mahrez up. I think Ulloa would fetch a pretty solid price and would make the most sense. I'd be very sad to see him go, he was our top scorer last season and for the most part of it got barely any service. His importance defending is also pretty crucial at times, we finally seemed to solve our defensive problems from set pieces last season (which lets be honest was killing us at times) towards the end with a combination of Ulloa, Wasyl, Morgan and Huth defending a penalty area that our keeper has very little control over, we could see a return to that problem very quickly if we are too careless in how we set up under a new manager.
Bagworthblue Posted 3 July 2015 Posted 3 July 2015 Hello to the LCFC community. I want to add that I can not understand why we keep getting linked with more strikers. We really need some midfielders in my opinion especially with the Cambiasso and Matty James situations. I guess there is still time to do business but I think we need to move soon. I would also like to say thankyou to Nigel Pearson for all what he did for us and hope the next manager is the right fit. Hi bud. it's only odd in the sense that Top was quoted to say they are happy upfront but the key focus is midfield and defence. it's clear they are trying to do / have done the following defense we signed Huth and Fuchs rumour is we want another CB Midfield the club remain hopefull of Cambiasso signing we are interested in Kante rumours of interest in NZonzi and other CMs Attack we need 5 decent strikers - 2 start / 2 on bench and 1 back-up to cover injury / suspension / lack of form / tactical needs. Each needs to have a level of quality you would be happy to have in your starting X1. The 2 subs should be seen as potential match winners and not just a back-up pair to come on if the 1st 2 are tired / not performing. We are premier league and are starting to act like a premier league club with ambition - it's not that unusual to have a lot of striking options - I am guessing though if we do bring in another striker , one will leave and my money is on Nugent as although he provides assists, you cannot rely on him for goals. We already have Vardy as a strike option that gives us lots of qualities but not many goals and we need some out and out goalscorers in the team - nobody we have currently has really proved they can give us say 20 goal in a season, Okazaki may or may not settle and doesn't usually score 20 goals, and i'm excited re Kram but he remains unproven so Austin gives us at least one we know will weigh in regularly. oh and Ulloa will score quite a few too but he also had a long dry spell last season
Deucalion Posted 3 July 2015 Posted 3 July 2015 I could see it being Vardy who goes. He was very much a Pearson player and has publicly stated that he owes his progress to him. I would bet he has taken this as hard as anyone and may be considering his future.
Bagworthblue Posted 3 July 2015 Posted 3 July 2015 I could see it being Vardy who goes. He was very much a Pearson player and has publicly stated that he owes his progress to him. I would bet he has taken this as hard as anyone and may be considering his future. but he also has lots of mates at the club and is settled here and probably gets on great with Shaky etc too. It will be Nugent IMO unless of course the club think Austin> Vardy - let's bin Vardy off to Villa but I don't think that's where we are at right now
GingerrrFox Posted 3 July 2015 Posted 3 July 2015 I genuinely wonder what some planet people are on judging by comments in various threads about how many strikers the club needs. It's not football manager. Accumulating players who all want to start games at this level is not 1) easy to manage or 2) feasible. There are a number of other clubs in the Premier League that Charlie Austin could move to and be number 1. Swansea, Aston Villa and Newcastle just for a start. If people honestly think that 3 of Vardy, Okazaki, Kramaric, Austin and Ulloa would be happy about sitting on the bench and would not be a detriment to squad morale then I've lost hope in the average football fans intelligence.
Bagworthblue Posted 3 July 2015 Posted 3 July 2015 I genuinely wonder what some planet people are on judging by comments in various threads about how many strikers the club needs. It's not football manager. Accumulating players who all want to start games at this level is not 1) easy to manage or 2) feasible. There are a number of other clubs in the Premier League that Charlie Austin could move to and be number 1. Swansea, Aston Villa and Newcastle just for a start. If people honestly think that 3 of Vardy, Okazaki, Kramaric, Austin and Ulloa would be happy about sitting on the bench and would not be a detriment to squad morale then I've lost hope in the average football fans intelligence. i don't play football manager though - and shit happens in a season meaning you need options - look to an extent I agree but there is also a lot of talk about okazaki playing an AM role, so assuming Nuge goes, you could potentially be down to 4, Austin has his fair share of injury and if anyone doesn't score for a few games you rotate, I'm not saying it's easy to manage them but if the team is doing well ( top 10 )and they are getting some chances to do well and stay in the team when they do, it's not totally unmanageable. if we are fighting relegation it's a bloody nightmare though
GingerrrFox Posted 3 July 2015 Posted 3 July 2015 i don't play football manager though - and shit happens in a season meaning you need options - look to an extent I agree but there is also a lot of talk about okazaki playing an AM role, so assuming Nuge goes, you could potentially be down to 4, Austin has his fair share of injury and you if anyone doesn't score for a few games you rotate, I'm not saying it's easy to manage them but if the team is doing well and they are getting some chances to do well and stay in the team when they do, it's not totally unmanageable. It is a recipe for disaster. We've spent over £21 million on 3 strikers in the past 12 months. Plus add in Vardy and Nugent. It's easy enough for people to say "oh Nugent is likely to move on". It's not that simple. The wage differential between what we are paying and what Championship clubs can afford since we've been promoted means there are few clubs that can afford the wages of players like Nugent. Nugent will go nowhere unless his contract is paid in full and its most likely to be a loan till he's out of contract next summer. Even if you remove Nugent from the list that still leaves 3 strikers all signed within the last 12 months and Vardy who's now an England international. None of them are going to be happy about sitting on the bench or potentially not even making the match day 18 because Charlie Austin joins the group. Managing professional players ego's is crucial to keeping the atmosphere round the squad positive. Plus what if the new manager wants to revert to a 4-3-3 with 1 striker up top with 2 wingers either side? It's completely ridiculous and if Charlie Austin had the choice the likelihood is that he will go somewhere with less competition for places and made to feel top dog. Rather than looking over his shoulder and worrying about being dropped if he doesn't score for 2 games. We aren't Manchester United, Chelsea, Man City etc. We don't have European football to play. There's only so many games to share amongst the squad.
Bagworthblue Posted 3 July 2015 Posted 3 July 2015 It is a recipe for disaster. We've spent over £21 million on 3 strikers in the past 12 months. Plus add in Vardy and Nugent. It's easy enough for people to say "oh Nugent is likely to move on". It's not that simple. The wage differential between what we are paying and what Championship clubs can afford since we've been promoted means there are few clubs that can afford the wages of players like Nugent. Nugent will go nowhere unless his contract is paid in full and its most likely to be a loan till he's out of contract next summer. Even if you remove Nugent from the list that still leaves 3 strikers all signed within the last 12 months and Vardy who's now an England international. None of them are going to be happy about sitting on the bench or potentially not even making the match day 17 because Charlie Austin joins the group. Managing professional players ego's is crucial to keeping the atmosphere round the squad positive. Plus what if the new manager wants to revert to a 4-3-3 with 1 striker up top with 2 wingers either side? It's completely ridiculous and if Charlie Austin had the choice the likelihood is that he will go somewhere with less competition for places and made to feel top dog. Rather than looking over his shoulder and worrying about being dropped if he doesn't score for 2 games. We aren't Manchester United, Chelsea, Man City etc. We don't have European football to play. There's only so many games to share amongst the squad. look i'm not gonna force my argument here as I kinda alluded to in my last post, I'm not 100% sure of my own position. However, I think the owners are aiming to be one of those clubs and looking to get to a place where with the right management we can manage those ego's. It is a huge step I agree and I think it's too big a step and I defo agree re the Hiddink 4-3-3 not fitting with having 5 strikers. If we continue with 2 upfront, we do need at least 4 quality strikers though - nuge may 'do' as a back-up but i'm not sure making 'do' is what the club has in mind any more. look time will tell bud !
Swiper Posted 3 July 2015 Posted 3 July 2015 I'd be very sad to see him go, he was our top scorer last season and for the most part of it got barely any service. His importance defending is also pretty crucial at times, we finally seemed to solve our defensive problems from set pieces last season (which lets be honest was killing us at times) towards the end with a combination of Ulloa, Wasyl, Morgan and Huth defending a penalty area that our keeper has very little control over, we could see a return to that problem very quickly if we are too careless in how we set up under a new manager. Oh, I don't disagree with you on this. I don't want to sell Ulloa. Your point about his set-piece defense is one of my favorite things about him. I was simply thinking out loud. Honestly, I'm completely content with our group of strikers. People want to slag off Nugent, but when he's your 5th striker, you've got a pretty damn good group. Spend this Austin money on the midfield.
FireFox Posted 3 July 2015 Posted 3 July 2015 Ulloa I'd think would make sense, had a horrible run in the middle of the season where he didn't look like scoring at all and, let's face it, isn't the most skilled and has an awful touch. Offers a lot in other areas (defending set-pieces), but I'd imagine if we got Austin we'd be best offloading to a team looking for pretty much guaranteed goals and not much else. Two of Austin, Kramaric, Vardy, and Okazaki up front with one of Mahrez or Nugent behind looks great Didn't the entire team have a horrible run in the middle of the season? Ulloa was called a donkey, but I'm pretty sure Vardy was called a headless chicken. Probably in the minority on this one, but would much rather sell Vardy than Ulloa. I don't think we'll sell any though as I don't think we will get Austin. Maybe Nugent will want to go in January.
STUHILL Posted 3 July 2015 Posted 3 July 2015 look i'm not gonna force my argument here as I kinda alluded to in my last post, I'm not 100% sure of my own position. However, I think the owners are aiming to be one of those clubs and looking to get to a place where with the right management we can manage those ego's. It is a huge step I agree and I think it's too big a step and I defo agree re the Hiddink 4-3-3 not fitting with having 5 strikers. If we continue with 2 upfront, we do need at least 4 quality strikers though - nuge may 'do' as a back-up but i'm not sure making 'do' is what the club has in mind any more. look time will tell bud ! Totally agree. I don't understand this mentaility of turning better strikers down just so we don't upset any of the others. These guys get paid crap load and we really do need 4/5 top strikers if we want to get anywhere. No good having 2 great ones and then 2 that arent as good and so would be happier on the bench. Injuries, suspensions, dips in form can all change the picture drastically for any striker waiting for his chance and if we get to January and a Nugent or Ulloa or even Kram aren't happy, then we act then and probably get fair bit of money for one of them. Really don't see people's objections to this one. No brainer for me.
Nick Posted 3 July 2015 Posted 3 July 2015 Array always said you needed 5 strikers for a successful Prem outfit. That's what we'll have by the end of the window - possibly even four!
dedlock Posted 3 July 2015 Posted 3 July 2015 If we want to become an established PL side 5 good strikers.
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