MooseBreath Posted 7 January 2016 Posted 7 January 2016 Perhaps, but if the immi authorities were as stringent as Thrac wants them to be I'm honestly not sure I could prove that I would be able to do a particular job better than a native. Which is why I'm hoping the current piece of visa paperwork I am filling out will not play too much on that (and that the visa authorities in that country aren't quite as strict as Thrac is) when the time comes for it to be processed. And if it's marginal for someone like me, what chance would another Joe who is slightly less qualified but law-abiding and still wants to try his luck in a different county have? Well, if you can't do a job better than a native then why do you deserve it? If there's a South Korean native there who can do your job just as well as you can, then all you're doing by being there is increasing supply and pushing his wages down. I think the South Korean national would be able to make a fair argument that his needs should come first in his own country.
leicsmac Posted 7 January 2016 Posted 7 January 2016 Well, if you can't do a job better than a native then why do you deserve it? If there's a South Korean native there who can do your job just as well as you can, then all you're doing by being there is increasing supply and pushing his wages down. I think the South Korean national would be able to make a fair argument that his needs should come first in his own country. I reckon I can do the job better, but because that concept isn't really measurable by a metric the actual distinction of that would be up to the immigration officials regardless of the quality of my argument. The more strict they are, the more chance I would get overlooked despite probably being a better candidate. That's the point I'm making here - such an idea would easily be open to manipulation. And my earlier point regarding the language still stands.
Guest MattP Posted 7 January 2016 Posted 7 January 2016 Getting more and more awkward this. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/12086473/Suspects-in-Cologne-sex-attacks-claimed-to-be-Syrian-refugees.html
Merging Cultures Posted 7 January 2016 Posted 7 January 2016 Getting more and more awkward this. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/12086473/Suspects-in-Cologne-sex-attacks-claimed-to-be-Syrian-refugees.html Awful. Deportation isn't enough. Pay for them to be behind bars in their own country. Mind you, there is probably an EU directive which says they can't be in a shitty prison, even if it is clearly what they deserve.
Webbo Posted 7 January 2016 Posted 7 January 2016 They're all young men, stick them on the front line against ISIS.
Finnaldo Posted 7 January 2016 Posted 7 January 2016 Pay for them to be behind bars in their own country. They're all young men, stick them on the front line against ISIS. Probably about the same thing at this point.
Merging Cultures Posted 7 January 2016 Posted 7 January 2016 Probably about the same thing at this point.Fair point. Get them out of Europe. Disgusting behaviour.
Dr The Singh Posted 7 January 2016 Posted 7 January 2016 Probably about the same thing at this point. So sad
MooseBreath Posted 7 January 2016 Posted 7 January 2016 I reckon I can do the job better, but because that concept isn't really measurable by a metric the actual distinction of that would be up to the immigration officials regardless of the quality of my argument. The more strict they are, the more chance I would get overlooked despite probably being a better candidate. That's the point I'm making here - such an idea would easily be open to manipulation. And my earlier point regarding the language still stands. They would usually use objective assessments around things such as qualifications and number of years experience in the field. Imperfect maybe but it's not a totally unreasonable way to filter people. I think as a foreign language teacher, where the main selling point is being a native speaker of another language, and where you're not required to speak the local language to carry out your job, would be a reasonable exception to Thracian's language criteria, albeit one that's unlikely to apply in the UK.
EastAnglianFox Posted 7 January 2016 Posted 7 January 2016 I am suprised their has been no real reaction by the locals I'm Cologne, surely if it had happened on that scale in one of our major cities then riots could have been a real possibility!?
MooseBreath Posted 7 January 2016 Posted 7 January 2016 I am suprised their has been no real reaction by the locals I'm Cologne, surely if it had happened on that scale in one of our major cities then riots could have been a real possibility!?There was actually an anti-immigration protest in Cologne at the weekend. This was before the news broke about the mass sexual assaults on NYE. A counter pro-immigration group turned up and had all the lights switched off at the cathedral where the original protest was due to take place in order to cast the anti-immigration protest into darkness. Which was a neat demonstration of their approach to immigration issues - if you close your eyes you can't see them, and then hopefully they'll just stop existing. After the news broke there was a small demonstration led by women, but my guess is that many of the people who would have ordinarily been moved to physically join protests against the likes of what happened on NYE, were part of the pro-immigration party, believing that to be the moral high ground. Then when they realised it wasn't, they were a bit too shy to immediately change allegiances by joining a protest effectively against immigration. Can't blame the Germans for being in a bit of a mess though. I can't imagine how much pro-immigration propaganda and attempted social engineering through the media they've been subject to over the last 12 months. We've had enough of it over here, and we haven't even taken many extra migrants.
GaelicFox Posted 7 January 2016 Posted 7 January 2016 Out of interest how many have been convicted out of the thousands of suspects? All of them I hope ! Dirty animals 110 assaults reported Merkle should be made lap dance for them !
Guest MattP Posted 7 January 2016 Posted 7 January 2016 I am suprised their has been no real reaction by the locals I'm Cologne, surely if it had happened on that scale in one of our major cities then riots could have been a real possibility!? We had a town where 1,400 underage girls were drugged, beaten, raped and tossed around dozens of Muslim men for sexual gratification. People got fiesty about it at a council meeting on one occasion and then the voters went out and still voted for the same political party again next time that covered the whole thing up. There was a small female protest in Koln but hundreds of so called "anti fascists" decided to surround them and then show how tolerant they are be declaring anyone who dared to protes about this as Nazi.
GaelicFox Posted 7 January 2016 Posted 7 January 2016 I am suprised their has been no real reaction by the locals I'm Cologne, surely if it had happened on that scale in one of our major cities then riots could have been a real possibility!? If it happened in old east Germany the shit would hit the fan !
Thracian Posted 8 January 2016 Posted 8 January 2016 Out of interest how many have been convicted out of the thousands of suspects? I don't suppose there'll be convictions yet. Arrests will doubtless be ongoing. The numbers don't matter but the assault on society is there to be seen.
Thracian Posted 8 January 2016 Posted 8 January 2016 I said the ones responsible should be punished. How is that naive or ignoring it? It is not a black and white situation. There are many other factors to be considered. I try to keep an open mind and not believe all the scare stories that are in some of the press. These people are fleeing terrorists and just want what is best for their families the same as we all do. How do you know they are all fleeing terrorists and just want the best for their families? Is it even conceivable that's the case with everyone? Of course it isn't. No chance. Just imagine you were an IS commander who'd acquired Syrian passports (such as recently went missing in huge numbers or didn't you bother reading that?). How would you disguise the movement of your agents but through a long line of refugees from a major trouble spot? Honestly Rincey you're so far in denial I doubt you could nod your head. Let's put it another way. You're in charge of immigration into the UK. You issue instructions to your border staff about who and what to look out for. But you've not vetted your staff properly. One turns out to be a terrorist agent or simply a corrupt officer who's taken a bribe. Three months later a packed commuter train is blasted to pieces on its way into London. The bomber is ID'd as someone who was passed through by the officer you vetted. How would you feel as the body count mounted on television? Why take these risks when there's the absolute certainly of making a mistake either now or in the near future. Why not devise a much more foolproof system first, have a much stricter entry criteria and make sure you know the people being admitted?
Thracian Posted 8 January 2016 Posted 8 January 2016 Perhaps, but if the immi authorities were as stringent as Thrac wants them to be I'm honestly not sure I could prove that I would be able to do a particular job better than a native. Which is why I'm hoping the current piece of visa paperwork I am filling out will not play too much on that (and that the visa authorities in that country aren't quite as strict as Thrac is) when the time comes for it to be processed. And if it's marginal for someone like me, what chance would another Joe who is slightly less qualified but law-abiding and still wants to try his luck in a different county have? Sounds to me like you'd be checked out thoroughly and either welcomed or perhaps guided into some connecting work. My suggested points system was merely a prototype and not meant to be taken too literally. But it would be tough, it would be checked and it would be designed to admit people this country we could be as sure of as possible and who'd be assets. Like New Zealand there would be limits too on the number of people allowed to enter from particular lands. Indeed my son thinks it might be hard getting his girlfriend through the New Zealand process because of the number of applicants they accept from Poland in a year. But everything about the UK system would be structured around what we believe is good for Britain.
GaelicFox Posted 8 January 2016 Posted 8 January 2016 We had a town where 1,400 underage girls were drugged, beaten, raped and tossed around dozens of Muslim men for sexual gratification. People got fiesty about it at a council meeting on one occasion and then the voters went out and still voted for the same political party again next time that covered the whole thing up. There was a small female protest in Koln but hundreds of so called "anti fascists" decided to surround them and then show how tolerant they are be declaring anyone who dared to protes about this as Nazi. Very true
Darkon84 Posted 8 January 2016 Posted 8 January 2016 I saw this yesterday but didn't get around to posting it. An article from The Telegraph giving some insight in to a leaked Police report regarding the NYE sexual attacks. This is the type of person we're dealing with here. People who openly flaunt the fact they are immigrants and can't be touched. But hey, they're just poor innocent guys and have been misunderstood, right? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/12086473/Suspects-in-Cologne-sex-attacks-claimed-to-be-Syrian-refugees.html There was also an interview on Radio 5 last night with an English girl who was over there at the time, describing what she saw, such as multiple groups of 'Arabic and Northern African' men targeting women, even seeing a group of them assaulting a woman in an alleyway. People were attempting to help but were overwhelmed. The sickening nature of these attacks cannot be overstated, and anyone not fully seeing that or defending these poor likkle men who just want a new life, need to have a long, hard look at themselves. Just my opinion though.
Thracian Posted 8 January 2016 Posted 8 January 2016 I saw this yesterday but didn't get around to posting it. An article from The Telegraph giving some insight in to a leaked Police report regarding the NYE sexual attacks. This is the type of person we're dealing with here. People who openly flaunt the fact they are immigrants and can't be touched. But hey, they're just poor innocent guys and have been misunderstood, right? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/12086473/Suspects-in-Cologne-sex-attacks-claimed-to-be-Syrian-refugees.html There was also an interview on Radio 5 last night with an English girl who was over there at the time, describing what she saw, such as multiple groups of 'Arabic and Northern African' men targeting women, even seeing a group of them assaulting a woman in an alleyway. People were attempting to help but were overwhelmed. The sickening nature of these attacks cannot be overstated, and anyone not fully seeing that or defending these poor likkle men who just want a new life, need to have a long, hard look at themselves. Just my opinion though. We in the West seem to have cast ourselves into a kind of self-harm mode and it's time for change. For the first time in my life I actually feel allied to the German people over this. There'll still be the excuse makers and apologists in here but its time the naive theorists as represented by the concessionary lunacy of Corbyn were sidelined for a change and we started building the kind of society where we could roam out streets again, safe, secure and free from the need for security cameras, gun-toting police, riot squads and so much more that testifies to how much our reckless bonhomie has cost us. I've even read of "Islamic zealotry" being preached in our universities. What's that all about? Universities should be places of learning, understanding, inventing, discovering, exploring not havens where the world's best minds can be brainwashed.
Guest Posted 8 January 2016 Posted 8 January 2016 I've even read of "Islamic zealotry" being preached in our universities. What's that all about? Universities should be places of learning, understanding, inventing, discovering, exploring not havens where the world's best minds can be brainwashed. Don't know. Where did you read it? btw Most western education is brainwashing. What you need is to educate people how to think instead of what to think.
Guest MattP Posted 8 January 2016 Posted 8 January 2016 Couldn't agree with Thrac more. It really is time for all normal decent people to come together and sideline these sorts who are continually prepared to use propaganda and even cover up these horrific acts to pursue the already failing multicultural dream at any cost. If they can't be beaten we leave a Europe to our descendants that is far worse than the one we inherited.
Dr The Singh Posted 8 January 2016 Posted 8 January 2016 Don't know. Where did you read it? btw Most western education is brainwashing. What you need is to educate people how to think instead of what to think. I've witnessed it
Darkon84 Posted 8 January 2016 Posted 8 January 2016 A bit of an update of the situation in Germany at the minute, with the head of the Cologne police force being put in temporary retirement. It also outlines that 18 of the 31 people arrested so far are on asylum seeking passports, before going on to outline similar attacks throughout Europe. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35261359
Guest MattP Posted 8 January 2016 Posted 8 January 2016 So the "none of these are migrants" line is already proving to be total nonsense. It appears the cover up was instigated straight away. We have a hell of a fight on here, the people who want this will stop at nothing to inflict their own project on this continents people. And how the hell is the mayor of Cologne still in a job after the effectively blaming women for this?
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