Wymsey Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 If I was an interviewer, I would give them time to impress (within the scheduled interview duration). I'd expect them to be nervous within the first few minutes; make them feel settled down, at ease, and then evaluate them.
Strokes Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 Utter bollox.Whether you like it or not, alot of folk think being smart is important when being represented. It definitely wont offend in reverse, so he might as well make the effort.
The Railway Man Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 Legs, bottom? But what job was it for and how much was the pay? Was a position as a salesmen in a friends firm selling electronics. I'd imagine about 20k basic (though from what I gather very generous comm) but the fact he would be selling things and meeting clients should surely be enough to realise you might want to look smart on arrival? In the same way our prime minister would be representing the state and meeting many people, if he seriously thinks dressing like a tramp is the way forward in that position then I imagine he'll have as much success as the guy above who went for the job interview. Utter bollox. Already covered above it but each to their own, if you couldn't care less the person who wants to run the country will look like a scruffy bastard and have no respect for themselves then so be it, don't expect too many people apart from those who feel the same to follow. Maybe that's why every Corbyn rally we see is full of people who looked like they got dressed in the dark.
Buce Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 Whether you like it or not, alot of folk think being smart is important when being represented. It definitely wont offend in reverse, so he might as well make the effort. A lot of people think a lot of things that make no sense. And 'smart' is such a subjective term.
The Railway Man Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 A lot of people think a lot of things that make no sense. And 'smart' is such a subjective term. Not really, When the dress code is described as "smart" you really shouldn't get too confused.
Buce Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 Already covered above it but each to their own, if you couldn't care less the person who wants to run the country will look like a scruffy bastard and have no respect for themselves then so be it, don't expect too many people apart from those who feel the same to follow. Maybe that's why every Corbyn rally we see is full of people who looked like they got dressed in the dark. Jeezus, how shallow are you?
The Railway Man Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 Jeezus, how shallow are you? Do you really consider it "shallow" to expect people to look smart who want to be Prime Minister?
Strokes Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 A lot of people think a lot of things that make no sense. And 'smart' is such a subjective term. Yes but lots of people without sense have ballot papers Smarts not that subjective, the more you look like ken, the further away from smart you are
Rincewind Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 It doesn't matter if it is utter bollox and what you personally think. It is ingrained in human nature to judge people by what they look like. The gentry dress well and they expect their subordinates to do likewise. It keeps the power balance. But saying that I am not like that so I tend to judge by the person.
Buce Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 Do you really consider it "shallow" to expect people to look smart who want to be Prime Minister? Absolutely. The way they perform in their job is all that matters to me.
The Railway Man Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 It doesn't matter if it is utter bollox and what you personally think. It is ingrained in human nature to judge people by what they look like. The gentry dress well and they expect their subordinates to do likewise. It keeps the power balance. But saying that I am not like that so I tend to judge by the person. You realise you live in a country where everyone has the right to dress how they want? You can dress like the gentry if you like, or you can put on some long socks and slips on and refuse to do your tie properly like Corbyn. For a 30 year old you really sound bleak on life.
Rincewind Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 Yes but lots of people without sense have ballot papers Smarts not that subjective, the more you look like ken, the further away from smart you are OI don't bring me into it.
Jon the Hat Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 Utter bollox. It really isn't. In my global multinational company getting things done is difficult, and if you don't have the credibility to convince those around you that you are a serious professional you will fail, simple as that. I doubt very much this is different in most big companies.
Jon the Hat Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 It's the personality and drive that counts. Only if people don't dismiss you before they see those in you.
Rincewind Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 You realise you live in a country where everyone has the right to dress how they want? You can dress like the gentry if you like, or you can put on some long socks and slips on and refuse to do your tie properly like Corbyn. For a 30 year old you really sound bleak on life. I was agreeing with you. By gentry I meant your prospective employer. In all the job searching guides it advises you to dress smart. That does not mean you have to have a suit on. I have had interviews where the interviewer has no tie and no coat. Even jeans. And I turn up in a suit. Still never improved my chances. I stand by what I say that is human nature to judge at first sight regardless of your freedom to choose. Corbyns dress sense is secondary to me. If I was blind his voice would be most important and I think in that department he does well. There are many oversea leaders who do not dress the same as we do.
Guest Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 You realise you live in a country where everyone has the right to dress how they want? You can dress like the gentry if you like, or you can put on some long socks and slips on and refuse to do your tie properly like Corbyn. For a 30 year old you really sound bleak on life. But if you dress how you like people are going to judge you and forbid you from doing certain jobs. As much as I can agree with you about the guy who was going to be a salesman for your company I have to disagree with your choice of the word "tramp" for Corbyn's dress. He didn't wear a tie - big deal. It's the personality and drive that counts. And sexy bodies of course.
The Railway Man Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 I was agreeing with you. By gentry I meant your prospective employer. In all the job searching guides it advises you to dress smart. That does not mean you have to have a suit on. I have had interviews where the interviewer has no tie and no coat. Even jeans. And I turn up in a suit. Still never improved my chances. I stand by what I say that is human nature to judge at first sight regardless of your freedom to choose. Corbyns dress sense is secondary to me. If I was blind his voice would be most important and I think in that department he does well. There are many oversea leaders who do not dress the same as we do. The interviewer can wear what they want, they are the one giving out the job, they aren't trying to impress you as much as you are trying to impress them (I doubt had you been headhunted though a interviewer would be dressed in his jeans). Of course people dress differently overseas, it's the dress looking smart that is important, a tie isn't supposed to be below your second button, your suit jacket is supposed to fit, it's not about the actual attire, it's looking smart in it. People would be critical if an Arab leader came over and had his head dress draped back beyond his hairline or if an African leader had breakfast on his robes. It's not about looking the same, it's about looking smart.
davieG Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 I think a lot depends on the situation/job. I do remember back in the day when I applied for a promotion and the first thing my Senior boss, not my immediate manager said was he didn't think I was interested in promotion as I didn't wear a tie. It was somewhat embarrassing as i had to point out that as I worked in a product model shop as a supervisor I sometimes had to use machinery so wearing a tie would have been extremely dangerous and I didn't fancy the idea of strangling myself. I did get the promotion, then it seem it was the norm to wear a tie although why I never understood because the only people I came into contact with none of them wore a tie. Never wear one now other than a wedding or a funeral besides they're just a fashion item that we seem to have been stuck with. I suppose it could be worse as this might still be the definition of smart Edit, Just to add it wasn't that long ago that women in trousers especially at work and almost anywhere was considered a complete no no. Hopefully wearing a tie will go the same way as women needing to wear a dress/skirt.
Guest Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 I wonder what TRM would think to a guy dressed smartly with smart make-up on.
Guest MattP Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 Moose Matt et al If you want to pass on some of your knowledge about homeless people their twitter page is here https://twitter.com/streetskitchen They will be able to inform you about their work better than I can. I am sure they will be pleased to read your well-informed views from your extensive research. They also have a Facebook page. Good luck. I'm not on Twitter Ken, if I wanted to join an online left wing mob I'd go the whole hog and sign up for the current Labour or the SNP. Although it looks like they have already had people along causing trouble They are blaming everything from a random BBC reporter to youths to street gangs. Apparantly the BBC dared to try and take a photo of inside the premises. https://www.facebook.com/streetangelsUK/posts/1658131611096309 This is a public service announcement for all BBC reporters... Please understand that we will now not be talking to any BBC press and will not invite the BBC to any of our press conferences that we're arranging with The People's Assembly Against Austerity. You have really missed out of a great opportunity here. We have just heard a manipulative BBC reporter (And we have her recorded) trying to tarnish the great work of Gary Neville by trying to sneak mobile phone cameras in with people intent on causing trouble. We've had some youths causing trouble all day long and these same individuals were just recorded agreeing with the BBC to take photos of the property in an attempt to close it down. These young lads aren't even homeless, they've just come to cause trouble. We desperately NEED security firms within the area to get involved in protecting this initiative as it's attracting undesirables who are intent on causing disruption. We've specifically been asked not to invite the media in until Gary arranges all of the health & safety which he's paying for. He's got electricians; plumbers; fire safety teams and the BBC are trying to get a photo of inside the building so they can use it against the kind gesture that Gary is offering the homeless of Manchester. PLEASE share this post and if you're a security firm that can help the people of Manchester facilitate a safe environment for vulnerable people, PLEASE get in touch. We desperately need your help. People are turning up who are aggressive; violent; abusive and we're simply activists trying to make positive changes. Street gangs are trying to intimidate the homeless and we NEED help 24/7 with the door policy.
Rincewind Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 It seems Corbyns chances of winning is decreasing by day. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/the-tories-are-removing-twice-as-many-people-from-the-electoral-register-in-britains-poorest-areas-a6701446.html
Webbo Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 It seems Corbyns chances of winning is decreasing by day. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/the-tories-are-removing-twice-as-many-people-from-the-electoral-register-in-britains-poorest-areas-a6701446.html The Tories are removing twice as many people from the electoral register in Britain's poorest areas as the richest What a load of bollox. The tories are not removing anyone from the electoral register. There has been a change, meaning people have to register to vote individually in line with most of the rest of the world. If somebody doesn't register to vote they have removed themselves from the register. This is so desperate it's pathetic.
Rincewind Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 Matt it seems the reason they stopped the BBC was that troublemakers were given camera phones to record the damage they did. This would reflect badly on the work they were doing and give the one impression. The BBC was only interested in a news story and not the project. I also do not see that helping the homeless as a purely left wing activity unless you want to say that right wingers are uncaring bastards. They have a recording of a reporter enticing youngsters to cause trouble so that is hardly blaming anyone. The ones causing the trouble were not even homeless and so had nothing to do with them. Thanks for highlighting those points. You missed this bit. It is a health and safety and security issue as Neville is paying for it so it is only right that things are carried out correctly. We've specifically been asked not to invite the media in until Gary arranges all of the health & safety which he's paying for. He's got electricians; plumbers; fire safety teams and the BBC are trying to get a photo of inside the building so they can use it against the kind gesture that Gary is offering the homeless of Manchester.
Guest MattP Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 Not that it will make any difference anyway, it's the marginals where elections are decided.
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