The Politics Thread

[Rincewind]

Presumably, then, what Corbyn might do if he ever becomes PM is also idle speculation? Presumably, all the Tory posters on here will now stop devoting 95% of their posts to Labour and will concentrate on the policies of those in charge - the Tories?

 

Presumably, they'll talk instead about the housing crisis, the Tories sending net immigration through the roof, reneging on its pre-election promise to cap care costs for the elderly, Tory plans to slash the incomes of the working poor, growing inequality, Tory divisions over Europe, Tory destruction of the NHS etc.? To talk about anything other than those in charge would be idle speculation, wouldn't it? 

 

Welcome home, btw! I thought you were off in Florida or was that the previous holiday? You're clearly earning too much, Webbo. We need to impose a Socialist Wealth Redistribution Tax on you!  

We live in hope.

[Buce]

You a Corbynite Buce, are you female enough to answer my question?

What is your question?

[Dr The Singh]

Was this the question about why Corbyn isn't responding to Indian government brutality by invading India so as to establish a free, independent Sikh homeland in the Punjab?

Honest answer? I haven't a fvcking clue, mate. Whatever's going on obviously has a very low media profile over here, as I've not seen anything about it, apart from in your posts.

The UK can intervene in "internal" foreign disputes (India being an established state) in various ways, mainly diplomacy.

So, what is Cameron doing about it, seeing as he's the one who's actually got the power to intervene if he wants?

Thank you for your response. The incident had nothing to do with the freedom movement of punjab, but more to do with peoples right to protest. In the past Cameron and other nation leaders have criticised the likes of China in there treatment of protesters or there democratic rights. Like I say, Cameron and his stooges are career politicians and will do whatever is in there best interest. When coonts come on here giving the biggun on Corbyn and his criticism of Saudi, where is Corbyn in this issue, Sikhs have tried and failed to even get a response from the guy. People are being killed for no other reason then being who they are, I'm sure if Corbyn is who he says he is, he would do something

[Dr The Singh]

What I want to know, where is Corbyn, where are the Corbynites. Why isn't CORBYN asking the government to do something that's happening all the time in an ex british colony. The guy is asking for Britian to intervene in a case where people have been on trial and judged, where this case, people who pose no threat are just being shot and killed. Like every other politician, Crobyn is a fake and does what is in his interests

https://www.change.org/p/bbc-bbc-report-on-indian-govt-opening-fire-on-peaceful-sikh-rally-after-media-blackout-order?recruiter=404428904#petition-letter

For Buce

[Buce]

For Buce

I can't answer for Corbyn, but I have signed the petition.

[Dr The Singh]

I can't answer for Corbyn, but I have signed the petition.

Thank you Buce for your response.

[Rincewind]

Just signed and Tweeted. Corbyn is on my Tweet list as  are some MP's (Mostly Labour) so I can pass it on.

I also know nothing about what is going on. It seems there is a media blackout on certain issues which some deny happens. This shows it is true.

 

Its been favourited and retweeted already.

[Alf Bentley]

Thank you for your response. The incident had nothing to do with the freedom movement of punjab, but more to do with peoples right to protest. In the past Cameron and other nation leaders have criticised the likes of China in there treatment of protesters or there democratic rights. Like I say, Cameron and his stooges are career politicians and will do whatever is in there best interest. When coonts come on here giving the biggun on Corbyn and his criticism of Saudi, where is Corbyn in this issue, Sikhs have tried and failed to even get a response from the guy. People are being killed for no other reason then being who they are, I'm sure if Corbyn is who he says he is, he would do something

 

It does sound disgraceful, though I know nothing about the background beyond what you've posted and a quick Google News search.

 

A UK opposition leader is very limited in what influence he can have over foreign affairs, beyond warm words.....and we all know what a slating Corbyn gets for being a "professional protester", not a prospective PM. If he goes around making protest speeches about every injustice anywhere in the world, he'll only increase that perception. That said, India should be high up the list of countries to show an interest in, not least because of the number of people from Indian/Punjabi families in this country.

 

However, a UK political party has to concentrate on UK issues, just as parties in every country do, including India/Punjab. And that applies more to an opposition party than a government party, which at least has the power to raise issues via diplomatic channels, exert diplomatic pressure, link them to trade deals etc. 

 

Saudi is a reasonable country for Corbyn to raise, as it is notorious for some of the worst human rights abuses in the world - and its citizens are providing a lot of the funding for Islamic State, an organisation that is a serious threat to the citizens of this country, unlike the Indian government/police, however unpleasant their abuses.

[MooseBreath]

Two people dead in those India protest clashes apparently. The protest was about someone ripping up a sacred book or something. Sounds like proper handbags. With respect to the deceased, it's nowhere near enough of an issue for British politicians to be getting involved in. I'm not at all surprised it isn't registering on any media or politicians radar.

[Rincewind]

I think it is a bit more than handbags. But like others I do not know much about it only taking Dr the Singh word on it and what I read on the petition. I am sure he is in a better position for info than the rest of us.The picture did not depict handbags. 

[Carl the Llama]

So why is Corbynites unwilling to help? Do you agree, he is just another politician, does what's in his best interest?

I think that remains to be seen.  Give the man time to get it all wrong.  Why aren't you jumping on the indifferent Cameronistas may I ask?  I imagine you'll find a lot more unashamed Cameron lovers on here than Corbynites which is handy because they may be able to tell you why the guy with the actual power has done the square root of fa.

[Strokes]

Sorry, I misremembered. It's a net borrowing chart which shows the Tory affection for spending what the UK doesn't have is at best equal to Labour's own inclination to spend the country into the ground, depending on how you interpret it.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2010/oct/18/deficit-debt-government-borrowing-data#img-1

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Tell us all, where are the tories overspending then. You cant object every cut, then mock them for overspending.

[Carl the Llama]

Tell us all, where are the tories overspending then. You cant object every cut, then mock them for overspending.

?

 

I'm mocking the Tory argument that Labour were profligate overspenders which is why Tories 'always have to clean up Labour's mess' when the historical evidence shows they're no worse at borrowing to spend than the Tories.  Clearly.

[Strokes]

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I'm mocking the Tory argument that Labour were profligate overspenders which is why Tories 'always have to clean up Labour's mess' when the historical evidence shows they're no worse at borrowing to spend than the Tories. Clearly.

But historically labour are borrowing during a boom, so its not really comparable.

[Dr The Singh]

I think that remains to be seen. Give the man time to get it all wrong. Why aren't you jumping on the indifferent Cameronistas may I ask? I imagine you'll find a lot more unashamed Cameron lovers on here than Corbynites which is handy because they may be able to tell you why the guy with the actual power has done the square root of fa.

Where is his response, we Sikhs are waiting, so unless he responds, until that moment he will be judged as a fraud.

No one I know would say Cameron is anything other then a career politician, aka fake

[Bellend Sebastian]

I think that remains to be seen. Give the man time to get it all wrong. Why aren't you jumping on the indifferent Cameronistas may I ask? I imagine you'll find a lot more unashamed Cameron lovers on here than Corbynites which is handy because they may be able to tell you why the guy with the actual power has done the square root of fa.

The important thing is that someone has at last realised you can put 'ista' on the end of any word that ends with an 'n'.

Beyond enabling the person saying it to spit it out with withering disdain, I have literally no idea what it means. Can you have Osbornistas? Keith Lemonistas?

Yours, Bellend Sebastianista

[MooseBreath]

I think the tory equivalent of "Corbynista" is "fvck off tory scum, racist misogynist homophobic ****"

[Bellend Sebastian]

I think the tory equivalent of "Corbynista" is "fvck off tory scum, racist misogynist homophobic ****"

Bit of a mouthful. Need to get something snappier if they want to get anywhere

[Dr The Singh]

It does sound disgraceful, though I know nothing about the background beyond what you've posted and a quick Google News search.

A UK opposition leader is very limited in what influence he can have over foreign affairs, beyond warm words.....and we all know what a slating Corbyn gets for being a "professional protester", not a prospective PM. If he goes around making protest speeches about every injustice anywhere in the world, he'll only increase that perception. That said, India should be high up the list of countries to show an interest in, not least because of the number of people from Indian/Punjabi families in this country.

However, a UK political party has to concentrate on UK issues, just as parties in every country do, including India/Punjab. And that applies more to an opposition party than a government party, which at least has the power to raise issues via diplomatic channels, exert diplomatic pressure, link them to trade deals etc.

Saudi is a reasonable country for Corbyn to raise, as it is notorious for some of the worst human rights abuses in the world - and its citizens are providing a lot of the funding for Islamic State, an organisation that is a serious threat to the citizens of this country, unlike the Indian government/police, however unpleasant their abuses.

I disagree, India's human rights records is probably just as bad if not worse, amnesty international and humans rights watch haven't painted a pretty picture. In fact we Brits send aid and money to that nation even makes it more relevant and being a ex colony. All those things yoyve written with regards to India applies to Saudi aswell. A fail to understand your point, sorry.

[Rincewind]

Not really political in my view but what are all your thoughts on this? http://streetskitchen.co.uk/?p=3429

[SMX11]

It seems Liam Fox has woken up to our failed monetary policy. A good speech at the IEA.

[MooseBreath]

Not really political in my view but what are all your thoughts on this? http://streetskitchen.co.uk/?p=3429

Love the hashtag, #thegraftpaysoff

A lesson for the squatters to take into their wider lives perhaps?

Good of Neville though, but I'm sure between him and giggs they can afford to clean up the mess and repair the damage left by the squatters.

[Rincewind]

You never had time to read it all then?  It seems your mind was made up that they were going to leave a mess before you even looked at it. I hope others have a more balanced comment.

[MooseBreath]

You never had time to read it all then? It seems your mind was made up that they were going to leave a mess before you even looked at it. I hope others have a more balanced comment.

Yeah I read it all. Of course they're going to claim they're not damaging the property. There's a very high chance that they will though.

What's a "spice smoker" by the way?

[Guest MattP]

Good luck to Nev when the time comes to try and get rid of them.

Bet they'll destroy the place.