The Politics Thread

[Rincewind]

Homelessness will never happen to me.

Talk to the hundreds of homeless men and women we serve each day and they’ll tell you that they never intended or expected to become homeless. They’ve had solid jobs, houses and families. But at some point, life fell apart. They are desperate for a way back home.

 

Homeless people need to “just get a job”.

Getting a job is a challenge for most people in these days, and incredibly difficult for a homeless person. Most lack clean clothes, showers, transportation, a permanent address and phone number. Others have a criminal past, learning disabilities and lack of education that holds them down. Even if they find work, their low income often cannot sustain them.

 

People are homeless by choice.

No one starts life with a goal of becoming homeless. People lose jobs and then housing. Women run away to the street to escape domestic violence. Many people have experienced significant trauma and simply cannot cope with life. Others struggle with mental illness, depression or post-traumatic stress. Yes, poor choices can contribute to homelessness. But outside circumstances strongly influence those choices.

. If homeless people wanted to, they could pull themselves out of it.

Once a man or woman loses a job or a home, getting those things back can feel nearly impossible. Imagine trying to get a job when you have no address to put on a resume, no phone number, no shower and no clean-pressed clothes. Often, things like legal issues, criminal history, mental illness, physical and emotional health hinder progress even 

 

https://www.newstalk.com/Six-myths-about-homelessness-debunked

 

http://www.soldiersoffthestreet.org/

 

It only takes a little research. I do not think the mainstream media are reliable sources.

 

https://www.facebook.com/peoplepowerchange/videos/10156175242365788/

[Buce]

Just back from London and there were a lot of homeless/beggars.quite a few were obviously incapable of looking after themselves and needed help.there were however a lot of able bodied young people who didn't seem to have any greater problems than other young people.everyvwhere you went there were posters advertising work. It's naive to believe all homeless people are victims of society, just as it's naive to think many don't need help,although if you chose to be a drunk or druggie you have to accept some responsibility

That's actually a balanced post.

Are you not feeling well, Claridge?

[MooseBreath]

Homelessness will never happen to me.

Talk to the hundreds of homeless men and women we serve each day and they’ll tell you that they never intended or expected to become homeless. They’ve had solid jobs, houses and families. But at some point, life fell apart. They are desperate for a way back home.

If you can get yourself organised enough to find places to squat, find the owner's contact details, ring them and explain your situation, convince them to trust you and then pack up and move down there then you're perfectly capable of working. Even if you really don't think you should have to work then you're capable of getting yourself some housing benefit and JSA. These squatters obviously aren't incapable of helping themselves at all, they just choose not to.

[Buce]

If you can get yourself organised enough to find places to squat, find the owner's contact details, ring them and explain your situation, convince them to trust you and then pack up and move down there then you're perfectly capable of working. Even if you really don't think you should have to work then you're capable of getting yourself some housing benefit and JSA. These squatters obviously aren't incapable of helping themselves at all, they just choose not to.

How much packing do you think there is involved when you are homeless?

[Claridge]

That's actually a balanced post.

Are you not feeling well, Claridge?

Even bought the big issue.

Too many long words in it for me.Back to the sun

[MooseBreath]

How much packing do you think there is involved when you are homeless?

Squatters tend to have mattresses, a range of cardboard, all sorts of 'works' and a shopping trolley each at least, but just being able to get yourself from one place to another is a meaningful tick on the 'able to work' checklist. Many jobs don't require much more than physical movement so if you can move around squatting then you can move around at work.

[Buce]

Even bought the big issue.

Too many long words in it for me.Back to the sun

[The Railway Man]

Pesonally, I don't judge anyone based on their clothes; my sole interest is whether they can do the job.

 

Me neither, but I will judge the amount of effort someone will make on how they take care of themselves and how much effort they put into their appearance, along with things like basic manners and time keeping.

 

It says a lot about a person when you put it all together.

[The Horse's Mouth]

Me neither, but I will judge the amount of effort someone will make on how they take care of themselves and how much effort they put into their appearance, along with things like basic manners and time keeping.

 

It says a lot about a person when you put it all together.

no it doesnt

[The Railway Man]

no it doesnt

 

Really? You wouldn't have a different first impression from someone who turned up on time, well dressed and being polite compared to someone who turned up late in creased clothes with gravy staines on his chin? Of course you would and you know it.

 

If you seriously don't then I dread to think of what standards you hold yourself too.

[Guest]

Really? You wouldn't have a different first impression from someone who turned up on time, well dressed and being polite compared to someone who turned up late in creased clothes with gravy staines on his chin? Of course you would and you know it.

 

If you seriously don't then I dread to think of what standards you hold yourself too.

 

He's a horse's mouth, what standards does he need?

[The Doctor]

I didn't say the lowest rate did I? I said we were employing more people than ever before. There's a big difference.

So you're making a meaningless statement then - we'll employ more because we've got a bigger population, the raw number is completely irrelevant when all context is removed.

[The Horse's Mouth]

Really? You wouldn't have a different first impression from someone who turned up on time, well dressed and being polite compared to someone who turned up late in creased clothes with gravy staines on his chin? Of course you would and you know it.

 

If you seriously don't then I dread to think of what standards you hold yourself too.

But first impressions doesn't say "a lot about a person" does it? 

[Darkon84]

But first impressions doesn't say "a lot about a person" does it? 

 

Maybe not in depth, but it says more than enough. A lot of the time, you subconsciously make your mind up about a person within the first minute or two of meeting them. Whether it's clothes, shoes, handshake or whatever, you can't escape it.

[The Horse's Mouth]

Maybe not in depth, but it says more than enough. A lot of the time, you subconsciously make your mind up about a person within the first minute or two of meeting them. Whether it's clothes, shoes, handshake or whatever, you can't escape it.

that says more about you than the person you're judging though doesn't it?

[The Railway Man]

that says more about you than the person you're judging though doesn't it?

 

Why does it? If you have offered something to someone and they make no effort why should you be judged but not them? I organised a job interview for someone a long time ago and they turned up in a dirty suit, stinking of sweat and booze with a carrier bag in hand, if you really think I should just completely overlook that lack of effort and respect then you are on a different planet.

[Guest]

Maybe not in depth, but it says more than enough. A lot of the time, you subconsciously make your mind up about a person within the first minute or two of meeting them. Whether it's clothes, shoes, handshake or whatever, you can't escape it.

 

Legs, bottom?

Why does it? If you have offered something to someone and they make no effort why should you be judged but not them? I organised a job interview for someone a long time ago and they turned up in a dirty suit, stinking of sweat and booze with a carrier bag in hand, if you really think I should just completely overlook that lack of effort and respect then you are on a different planet.

 

But what job was it for and how much was the pay?

[Darkon84]

that says more about you than the person you're judging though doesn't it?

 

 

No it really doesn't. As I explained, the majority of it is decided subconsciously, which, whether you like it or not, you have no control over. I challenge you to apply for a job you should easily get, and turn up looking and acting terribly. You know full well what the outcome of that would be.

Legs, bottom?

 

 

Breast

[Rincewind]

Moose Matt et al

If you want to pass on some of your knowledge about homeless people their twitter page is here https://twitter.com/streetskitchen They will be able to inform you about their work better than I can. I am sure they will be pleased to read your well-informed views from your extensive research. They also have a Facebook page.

Good luck.

[Guest]

If you want to pass on some of your knowledge about homeless people their twitter page is here https://twitter.com/streetskitchen They will be able to inform you about their work better than I can. I am sure they will be pleased to read your well-informed views from your extensive research. They also have a Facebook page.

Good luck.

 

Homeless people with twitter pages? We're living in a new age.

[Jon the Hat]

Pesonally, I don't judge anyone based on their clothes; my sole interest is whether they can do the job.

 

Their ability to do the job is often based on their credibility, and ones credibility comes from a number of areas, not least having the sense to dress for the occasion.

[Rincewind]

True but what people were complaining about was him not wearing a tie.  I do not wear ties either. I find them uncomfortable and part of the job is concentration and feeling while doing it. Maybe he is one of those people.

Criticism on him has gon from an unbuttoned top button to gravy stains down his shirt. He just prefers casual.

[Carl the Llama]

Really? You wouldn't have a different first impression from someone who turned up on time, well dressed and being polite compared to someone who turned up late in creased clothes with gravy staines on his chin? Of course you would and you know it.

 

If you seriously don't then I dread to think of what standards you hold yourself too.

You must live in the least hygienic part of the country what with all these slobs you see wandering to job interviews covered in gravy.

[Rincewind]

You must live in the least hygienic part of the country what with all these slobs you see wandering to job interviews covered in gravy.

The job interview may be at Poundland.

[Buce]

Their ability to do the job is often based on their credibility, and ones credibility comes from a number of areas, not least having the sense to dress for the occasion.

Utter bollox.