Schools Crisis.

[atomicfox]

As part of the lefts 'long March through the institutions' they made sure they were pulling the leavers of the educational system through the Lea's.the Tories are basically trying to de politicise education by removing schools from local authority control.

[Claridge]

As part of the lefts 'long March through the institutions' they made sure they were pulling the leavers of the educational system through the Lea's.the Tories are basically trying to de politicise education by removing schools from local authority control.

 

That's why the left hate academies, hate the idea of a headmaster doing what's best for the school.

Rather have some local authority leftie tell them what to do.

Ten per cent of a schools budget goes to the local authority for the services they provide if your not an academy. Surely the head knows what's best for the school in question?

Mind you i'm sure Christine £ 170.000 grand a year Blower knows best.

[Charl91]

That's why the left hate academies, hate the idea of a headmaster doing what's best for the school.

Rather have some local authority leftie tell them what to do.

Ten per cent of a schools budget goes to the local authority for the services they provide if your not an academy. Surely the head knows what's best for the school in question?

Mind you i'm sure Christine £ 170.000 grand a year Blower knows best.

 

 

If the head knows what's best for the school in question, then why are thousands of heads being forced to become academies against their wishes?

 

 

Maybe those heads know that becoming an academy isn't in their best interest. 

[The Blur]

I used to think that you can't put a price on the education but apparently you now can. 

[The Doctor]

That's why the left hate academies, hate the idea of a headmaster doing what's best for the school.

Rather have some local authority leftie tell them what to do.

Ten per cent of a schools budget goes to the local authority for the services they provide if your not an academy. Surely the head knows what's best for the school in question?

Mind you i'm sure Christine £ 170.000 grand a year Blower knows best.

 

Except it's not the headmaster is it, it's the sponsors of the academy that decide what gets done. It's one small step from there to allowing schools to teach what their sponsors want, and then the education system is in the gutter. Rather than allowing some random bloke to decide what's best for the school, why not put it in the hand of educational professionals?

[Claridge]

Except it's not the headmaster is it, it's the sponsors of the academy that decide what gets done. It's one small step from there to allowing schools to teach what their sponsors want, and then the education system is in the gutter. Rather than allowing some random bloke to decide what's best for the school, why not put it in the hand of educational professionals?

Who are the educational professionals? The ones who betrayed working class kids in the 70s and 80s with the useless comprehensive system. Most people my generation had a piss poor education because of local authority dogma and crap un-regulated teachers. Academies are not going to solve all the schools problems, but we need to do something, anything but leave it in the hands of so called council educational professionals or failed heads/teachers as most people know them.

[act smiley]

Un-regulated teachers? Huh? There's loads of regulation of teachers... except for at academies.

Are some LEAs crap, yeah, probably. But the solution to that isn't to deregulate the entire education system.
 

 

Except it's not the headmaster is it, it's the sponsors of the academy that decide what gets done. It's one small step from there to allowing schools to teach what their sponsors want, and then the education system is in the gutter. Rather than allowing some random bloke to decide what's best for the school, why not put it in the hand of educational professionals?

 

It's not a small step, it's already a key part of it - they can teach what they want. Okay, there's some slight limitations to how much of that they can do if they're trying to keep good stats by covering enough to get decent test results, but they don't have to cover the national curriculum.

[Charl91]

and crap un-regulated teachers. 

 

 

You do realise that academies allow unqualified teachers, right?

 

Also, found this interesting.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/perry-beeches-academy-david-cameron-breach-investigation-a6951746.html

[The Doctor]

Who are the educational professionals? The ones who betrayed working class kids in the 70s and 80s with the useless comprehensive system. Most people my generation had a piss poor education because of local authority dogma and crap un-regulated teachers. Academies are not going to solve all the schools problems, but we need to do something, anything but leave it in the hands of so called council educational professionals or failed heads/teachers as most people know them.

 

As in what academies will be bringing back? You talk as if having ex-teachers in charge of the education system is the worst idea possible, but honestly who better to manage it than the ones who know what is needed to provide a good education and what teachers have to deal with?

[Claridge]

As in what academies will be bringing back? You talk as if having ex-teachers in charge of the education system is the worst idea possible, but honestly who better to manage it than the ones who know what is needed to provide a good education and what teachers have to deal with?

Ones who are still teaching and hadn't quit for massive wages,paid for from school budgets I'd hope

[leicsmac]

As someone who works in a country where there is a burgeoning private education 'academy' industry ran alongside and in tandem with the state system, the idea of school curricula being subject to the will of financial 'sponsors' because that is the way they would be funded terrifies me. It's bad enough over here where the hagwons are funded directly by the parents and thus each one has considerable sway over how the school operates, and of course they want what's best for their own child and no one else.

[Charl91]

Ones who are still teaching and hadn't quit for massive wages,paid for from school budgets I'd hope

 

And again, you seem to be missing/ignoring the point that most teachers who are still teaching DON'T WANT academies.

[Webbo]

And again, you seem to be missing/ignoring the point that most teachers who are still teaching DON'T WANT academies.

It's not their decision.

[Charl91]

It's not their decision.

 

You're right, it's the decision of people who want to score political points and make idealogical changes, rather than decisions which will best serve the education of future generations.

 

It should be the decision of teachers and heads. 

[Webbo]

You're right, it's the decision of people who want to score political points and make idealogical changes, rather than decisions which will best serve the education of future generations.

 

It should be the decision of teachers and heads.

There's been political point scoring on both sides. The teaching unions are more interested in protecting their members than the education of children. And what best for future generations is debatable to say the least.

[AoWW]

There's been political point scoring on both sides. The teaching unions are more interested in protecting their members than the education of children. And what best for future generations is debatable to say the least.

 

I think it's safe to say that what's best for future generations is not being taught by overworked, knackered teachers who've had all passion for the job knocked out of them and who are constantly bogged down with bureaucracy. 

[davieG]

Cross-party move against England's academy schools plan

By Katherine SellgrenBBC News education reporter

• 26 March 2016

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• From the sectionEducation & Family

Image copyrightThinkstockImage captionMrs Morgan says full academisation will benefit pupils

Leaders of the Conservative, Labour and Liberal Democrat groups in the Local Government Association have combined to oppose plans to force all English schools to become academies.

In a joint letter to the Observer, they urge ministers to reconsider the plans.

The LGA says the plan to remove all schools from council control has caused "enormous concern" .

But, on Saturday, Education Secretary Nicky Morgan insisted there was "no reverse gear" on the changes.

Speaking at the NASUWT teacher union conference in Birmingham, Ms Morgan said she would not row back on the government's reform agenda, saying the plans would put control over schools into the hands of heads and teachers.

But this did not deter the National Union of Teachers, gathering for its annual conference in Brighton, voting for a ballot for a one-day strike next term over the government's plans.

The Observer letter, signed by Conservative councillors as well as those from opposition parties, says: "There is no evidence that academies perform better than council maintained schools.

"Where a school is failing, there is no question that action must be taken - but converting every school, regardless of performance, to an academy will not tackle those issues."

It goes on: "Schools value the option to become academies - and the support they receive from their local councils to do so - where they believe this is in the best interests of their students and communities.

"Forcing the change upon every school goes against, in many cases, what parents and teachers want, and there will be a large financial implication for local authorities at a time when communities are already suffering the impact of significant budget cuts."

The councillors continue: "We urge the government to listen to the concerns of families, teachers, unions, politicians and experts and rethink the proposals in the White Paper."

The letter is signed by Cllr David Hodge, Leader of the Conservative Group, Cllr Nick Forbes, Leader of the Labour Group, Cllr Marianne Overton, Leader of the Independent Group and Cllr Gerald Vernon-Jackson, Leader of the Liberal Democrat Group.

Image copyrightThinkstockImage captionCritics fear parents are being pushed out of a say in schools

White Paper proposals:

• All schools in England to move to academy status
• New funding system designed to benefit disadvantaged areas
• Heads who take over struggling schools given a two-and-a-half-year reprieve from Ofsted inspections, to enable them to turn things around
• An end to the legal obligation for academies to have parents as governors in all schools
• A shake-up of governance, with a greater obligation to consult with parents
• Accreditation system for teacher training to be approved by head teachers - scrapping the current "qualified teacher status".

[Webbo]

I think it's safe to say that what's best for future generations is not being taught by overworked, knackered teachers who've had all passion for the job knocked out of them and who are constantly bogged down with bureaucracy. 

Do teachers have more bureaucracy at academies? Genuine question, I don't know.

[AoWW]

Do teachers have more bureaucracy at academies? Genuine question, I don't know.

 

I honestly don't know either, having never worked in an academy. I suspect it's similar whether in an academy or an LA-controlled mainstream school. I just think it would be great if teachers could spend the majority of their time actually focusing on teaching. 

[Claridge]

And again, you seem to be missing/ignoring the point that most teachers who are still teaching DON'T WANT academies.

You have asked them I presume?there are more secondary schools that are academies than not,so more secondary teachers work in academies, which makes your point er,dubious to say the least.gobby nut diehards maybe,but the majority of teachers have never voted to strike as 'they are busy teaching'.

[katieakita]

Think you need to ask yourself what is in it for those who run the academies, is it about generating profit or getting the best education for those children in their academy chains. Already academies have failed with obscene amounts of money wasted, moral in the teaching profession is at an all time low and problems being stockpiled and somethings should not just be about money and turning a quick profit.

 

Looking at a schools budget for next year I notice with the much advertised extra funding the actual figure is 9k down on this year. For myself I am involved with the Post Office modernisation program which despite the fancy title is a cost cutting exercise being run by useless civil servants and the Conservative government  not knowing what to do to sort it out

[Bryn]

This government is a ****ing joke. How can you instigate major reform without a shred of evidence it's of benefit? How can you not consult those who will deliver the "product", as the Tories clearly view it, or steamroll those who raise concerns? "There is no reverse gear", what a disgusting and dismissive things to say to our hardworking and beleaguered teachers.

This government is set to preside over not one but two major public sector strikes, not to mention the threat of leaving the European Union, again with no evidence it will benefit any of us. No evidence or rationale for any of their actions seems to be offered. Cameron and Osborne set up hard nose puppets like Morgan and Hunt, instruct them to say inflammatory things and sit quietly whilst the public becomes angrier and angrier.

We need them out and we need electoral reform so that never again can a Government whom only a third of the population voted for bully the nation with baseless policies which serve only to fill the coffers of the wealthiest in our society.

[Webbo]

This government is a ****ing joke. How can you instigate major reform without a shred of evidence it's of benefit? How can you not consult those who will deliver the "product", as the Tories clearly view it, or steamroll those who raise concerns? "There is no reverse gear", what a disgusting and dismissive things to say to our hardworking and beleaguered teachers.

This government is set to preside over not one but two major public sector strikes, not to mention the threat of leaving the European Union, again with no evidence it will benefit any of us. No evidence or rationale for any of their actions seems to be offered. Cameron and Osborne set up hard nose puppets like Morgan and Hunt, instruct them to say inflammatory things and sit quietly whilst the public becomes angrier and angrier.

We need them out and we need electoral reform so that never again can a Government whom only a third of the population voted for bully the nation with baseless policies which serve only to fill the coffers of the wealthiest in our society.

Labour care about the the Doctors and teachers the tories care about patients and children, to me that's the right priority. As for leaving the EU, it's a referendum and the PM wants us to stay in so I don't know what your point is.

[Bryn]

you blinkered buffoon, they care so much for the patients, that's why hundreds of them are sitting in ED corridors or at home soaked in their own filth because there's no investment in our heath or social services. They want both industries off the balance sheet so they can continue to slash rates of corporation and high earner income tax so the rich can propagate their own wealth and keep a strangle hold on the amount that trickles to the bottom. If you think they'd piss on you if you were on fire you're gravely mistaken.

As I've said before, Labour, with their blank cheque to the welfare system but no strategy, are no better. Politicians are invariably self serving. Liberals like to make equally baseless statements and gestures so they can pat themselves on the back as the country sinks into the ground.

[Bryn]

I'd love to watch you and MattP drink tea and read the paper in the morning considering yourselves very sensible and the public very silly for their opposition to all of this.