paddy1966 Posted 21 April 2016 Posted 21 April 2016 Joseph Klinghoffer of the Bruxelles 'Green Planet' think tank reports that it is very likely that by late 2017 a new directive covering the precise dimensions of toilet cisterns and the exact amount of water allowed for a shower will come in to force Europe wide. It will be a requirement for new builds with a years grace being given to householders to upgrade their plumbing. There are no plans to help householders with the cost. However it will become law and failure to observe will lead to prosecutions. The 'big three' Germany, France and Britain will be charged a levy to help the poorer European countries to comply. Lets get out while we still have our sanity.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 21 April 2016 Posted 21 April 2016 Good! New houses should be built to maximum efficiency. We can't carry on being wasteful forever.
Strokes Posted 21 April 2016 Posted 21 April 2016 Good! New houses should be built to maximum efficiency. We can't carry on being wasteful forever. I think as ever it is targeting the wrong areas, water wastage commercially should be tackled before we make attempts to impact on hygiene.
Webbo Posted 21 April 2016 Posted 21 April 2016 Things like this are just a distraction. There has to be standard sizes etc. There are so many more important things to worry about.
Dodgy Bob Posted 21 April 2016 Posted 21 April 2016 I'd be very surprised if this was to be applied to existing installations. If it's applied to new builds then it's not a problem. The building regulations, over which 'we' have full control, already stipulate various measures to do with water efficiency including limitations of water used for showers, and they usually go further than EU regulations. Struggling to understand the one about cistern size, are there people out there with massive toilets?
davieG Posted 21 April 2016 Posted 21 April 2016 How do you limit water use for a shower, I have to run it for several minutes before it even gets hot and then it takes a fair time trying to get an acceptable temperature. This with a brand new boiler.
MPH Posted 21 April 2016 Posted 21 April 2016 The E.U must be flushed with cash if they have time for this kind of thing....
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 21 April 2016 Posted 21 April 2016 Joseph Klinghoffer of the Bruxelles 'Green Planet' think tank reports that it is very likely that by late 2017 a new directive covering the precise dimensions of toilet cisterns and the exact amount of water allowed for a shower will come in to force Europe wide. It will be a requirement for new builds with a years grace being given to householders to upgrade their plumbing. There are no plans to help householders with the cost. However it will become law and failure to observe will lead to prosecutions. The 'big three' Germany, France and Britain will be charged a levy to help the poorer European countries to comply. Lets get out while we still have our sanity. Could we not look at directives that have actually been passed? This is clearly an attemp at an EU windup, however how can you judge something that's not even made its way through to be an actual directive. I have no doubt there could be moves on water conservation and who knows, they may ban the pipe blocking thick 3 ply toilet paper on top, but until you have a full directive that's been passed these comments on worth absolutely nothing. Straight Bannana's anyone?
Rincewind Posted 22 April 2016 Posted 22 April 2016 How is it going to be enforced.. Norman Bates style spy holes? If it applies to new and upgraded installations then it will be done anyway and new guidelines will be put in place whether in or out the EU. All reputable plumbers installers will be looking to improve the systems anyway.
Dodgy Bob Posted 22 April 2016 Posted 22 April 2016 How do you limit water use for a shower, I have to run it for several minutes before it even gets hot and then it takes a fair time trying to get an acceptable temperature. This with a brand new boiler. I think the limit in the building regulations is on the volume of water the shower produces while it's running. You can still stick it to the man by leaving your shower running all day, if you like. I'm no expert but it sounds like you've got a problem. I turn my shower on, and by the time I've ripped off my clothes and got in its already hot. Takes 30 seconds. Maybe there is a long distance between your boiler and shower?
davieG Posted 22 April 2016 Posted 22 April 2016 I think the limit in the building regulations is on the volume of water the shower produces while it's running. You can still stick it to the man by leaving your shower running all day, if you like. I'm no expert but it sounds like you've got a problem. I turn my shower on, and by the time I've ripped off my clothes and got in its already hot. Takes 30 seconds. Maybe there is a long distance between your boiler and shower? It's a new combi boiler which I was informed produces instant hot water and is located in the next room about 12ft away.
Vlad the Fox Posted 22 April 2016 Posted 22 April 2016 Something wrong with it Dave, you should be getting hot water straight away. Get them back in.
davieG Posted 22 April 2016 Posted 22 April 2016 Something wrong with it Dave, you should be getting hot water straight away. Get them back in. well they did say I may have to change the shower maybe that's the reason but it's set into solid brick/breeze block wall tiled front and rear so could be a difficult job.
Great Boos Up Posted 22 April 2016 Posted 22 April 2016 If the amount of water in the cistern is limited, how will I flush this?
Buce Posted 23 April 2016 Posted 23 April 2016 If the amount of water in the cistern is limited, how will I flush this? I'm more interested in how you passed it..
davieG Posted 23 April 2016 Posted 23 April 2016 Do you get hot water from your taps? Yes but it takes just as long, obviously this is after I've not used them for a while.
Vlad the Fox Posted 23 April 2016 Posted 23 April 2016 Yes but it takes just as long, obviously this is after I've not used them for a while. I'm no plummer but that doesn't sound right. I had a combi installed at my old house and we were getting hot water within 30 seconds of turning the tap on.
Benji Posted 24 April 2016 Posted 24 April 2016 If this is the strongest example of why we should leave I think it's fair to say the vote is pointless. I hope the use of the word "sanity" was a clever play on words. I fear it was accidental.
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