Labour party civil war

[Guest]

You have to question who was really in the wrong here. Hillary Benn agreeing to join a Corbyn led shadow cabinet and then calling it out at every opportunity or Corbyn for inviting a wide range of "labour" views into the shadow cabinet.

 

I'd say that Benn was in the wrong and has acted shamefully.

 

I realise that a lot of MPs are against Corbyn but he was democratically voted in by the people who count. Those people may be wrong but for other representatives to continually snipe and plan his downfall is disgusting. Those not happy with labour voters should consider joining another party or forming one that best shows their views.

 

Labour is the labour they want. Leave - a bit like they did with the EU.

 

Changing it from within is obviously out of fashion.

[Webbo]

He's saying that the majority of Labour voters voted remain because your original suggestion that,  'the bulk of the people he was supposed to represent were / are for leave' was completely inaccurate. Do you have to be from the north of England to count as a person?

If Labour want to win an election they have to appeal their traditional base. They can't win an election with just 63% of the people who voted for them last time.

[johnny the fox]

This thread seems to be full of Tory voters. Strange.

I have never voted tory in my life..its dangerous to make assumptions you can't back up..

[johnny the fox]

We live in a representative democracy - a good politician represents the opinions of those he was elected to serve, even if he doesn't necessarily agree with them.

 

 

And that's relevant to most labour voters (the people Corbyn is supposed to represent) voting remain how?

sorry you lost me there..

[johnny the fox]

He's saying that the majority of Labour voters voted remain because your original suggestion that,  'the bulk of the people he was supposed to represent were / are for leave' was completely inaccurate. Do you have to be from the north of England to count as a person?

Labour canvasser's gave up in their own constituencies outside of London.. even in Jo cox constituency with wreaths outside the polling stations there was a massive vote for out....it don't get any clearer than that...

[The Doctor]

sorry you lost me there..

 

Corbyn is leader of Labour.

The Labour party represents the labour party voters.

Labour voters were a remain majority.

So by backing remain, labour were representing the labour voters.

[Buce]

I have never voted tory in my life..its dangerous to make assumptions you can't back up..

Yeah, they're too left-wing for you.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

Chuka was making noises before the vote about running for leader. He upped his interview presence.

I think Labour, overall, knew what they were doing when he pulled out the race last time - it was always going to be a rocky period for any opposition leader, so why potentially tarnish your next prospective PM by putting them up early.

This will never be confirmed by anyone, but I expect the Labour Party weren't that bothered if Brexit happened either, for it will get 2 big monkeys off the parties back, trust with the economy and immigration.

[Guest]

I have never voted tory in my life..its dangerous to make assumptions you can't back up..

 

You probably have trouble making a X.

[Guest MattP]

Gloria De Piero resigns.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

You probably have trouble making a X.

Not apparently required anymore - you can draw a penis in a box and that still gets counted!

[Guest]

If Labour want to win an election they have to appeal their traditional base. They can't win an election with just 63% of the people who voted for them last time.

 

What?

 

You know there are few miners and steel workers any more.

[Guest]

Not apparently required anymore - you can draw a penis in a box and that still gets counted!

 

JTF isn't good on self portraits either apparently.

[The Doctor]

You probably have trouble making a X.

 

So long as it's a mark in the box it doesn't have to be a X.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

Anyone want to be part of a Shadow Cabinet?

[Webbo]

What?

 

You know there are few miners and steel workers any more.

If you're just going to be deliberately obtuse there's no point continuing.

[Guest Mee-9]

I thought Benn would have made a good leader for the labour party.

 

He's said he's not going to run if Corbyn goes. 

[Buce]

Not apparently required anymore - you can draw a penis in a box and that still gets counted!

JTF isn't good on self portraits either apparently.

Johnny the Fox,

Penis in a box.

[Guest]

So long as it's a mark in the box it doesn't have to be a X.

 

So Asley Williams can't vote then? He can't mark in the box.

 

If you're just going to be deliberately obtuse there's no point continuing.

 

 

Not being obtuse. You have an antiquated view of who the "labour" vote is. Please enlighten me as to who the required percentage of voters are that Labour represent?

 

Traditional labour voters are now a minority and have been for a long time. A new form of politics is needed in the UK.

I thought Benn would have made a good leader for the labour party.

 

He's said he's not going to run if Corbyn goes. 

 

Why would a labour voter want a leader who said he'd work for the democratically chosen leader and then spent his time secretly plotting against his party before trying to lead a revolt and stab the elected leader in the back.

 

Benn should go and form his own party because clearly the labour voters don't want him.

[Raj]

We live in a representative democracy - a good politician represents the opinions of those he was elected to serve, even if he doesn't necessarily agree with them.

???

MPS of all sides voted for both in and out? Big hitters of the same side voted different ie Boris out And the PM in.. Corbyn bottled his true beliefs....but you've lost me in what your saying anyway!!!

[The Doctor]

???

MPS of all sides voted for both in and out? Big hitters of the same side voted different ie Boris out And the PM in.. Corbyn bottled his true beliefs....but you've lost me in what your saying anyway!!!

 

Corbyn lent remain as most of the labour voters, the people who's views his party is meant to represent, were leaning remain. That does not mean he's spineless, arguably it means he's a decent politician who will do what's right for the people he represents rather than what is right for himself 

[Guest MattP]

Ian Murray resigned.

[Guest]

Ian Murray resigned.

 

Shadow cabinet members are not worth the toilet paper they wipe their arses with, especially in a majority govt. situation.

 

Anyone can stand up and argue ignorantly against a govt. cabinet member without any fear of repercussions. They're shadow cabinet because they lost.

 

I couldn't tell you what colour hair Ian Murray has or how old he is.

[MPH]

Corbyn is leader of Labour.

The Labour party represents the labour party voters.

Labour voters were a remain majority.

So by backing remain, labour were representing the labour voters.

Interesting logic that is everything that is wrong with politics today.

Should they not be there to represent their constituents?

Sunderland for example is a labour city but 69% voted to leave. Should she of ignored the people who voted her in. And if you do, the. How can you claim You represent the people who voted For you in the first place?

[DJ Barry Hammond]

Corbyn can't survive this - even if he was to run in another leadership contest and won, he'd still have too many MP's in his party that openly revolted against him, making it an untenable position. You simply can't deselect them all.

It's a shame in a way because he was never given a fair shot - over the year or so there was always decention of some kind, the Parlimentary party was unwilling to move fully his way to see if it worked.

One thing that was certainly clear during his time - he was quite willing to give other people in the party a prominent voice, it wasn't all about him, so it's a shame someone like Hedi Alexander wasn't able to appreciate that. Yes she may feel she took her chance, but it was Jeremy that gave it to her.