Alf Bentley Posted 27 June 2016 Posted 27 June 2016 Even Tom Watson has called for him to resign now Seems more like he's told Corbyn that he's lost his authority within the parliamentary party (as if that wasn't already obvious), but has stopped short of calling for him to resign. That's still his biggest blow yet, though, as Watson himself was elected by the party membership, not just appointed to the shadow cabinet. Presumably it now goes to this vote of no confidence called by Margaret Hodge & Ann Coffey. Will Corbyn continue his defiance if he suffers a vote of no confidence? If so, it's then presumably a legal issue of whether he's automatically entitled to be on the ballot paper for a new leadership contest - and if he is, that's going to get pretty nasty within the party.
Jon the Hat Posted 27 June 2016 Posted 27 June 2016 It does feel like 2 party politics might be nearing the end. I wonder whether if a new party stood on a remain ticket it would win comfortably right now.
Alf Bentley Posted 27 June 2016 Posted 27 June 2016 Better Labour dies now than zombies its way to the next GE. It's time for new partys, new alliances and new thinking. The people will vote for a new party at the moment. Unfortunately, I suspect that the "new party" that a lot of people might vote for at the moment is UKIP - and mainly ex-Labour voters. A realignment and new alliances might happen some time soon, but if there's likely to be a general election in the autumn, then 3 months surely wouldn't be long enough for such a realignment to happen? Of course, because of the Fixed Parliaments Act, there's no guarantee that there'll be a new election. It needs two-thirds support in the Commons or a Vote of No Confidence in the Govt, doesn't it? It's in the interest of the Tories to have an early election, possibly the SNP, too, but they'd probably need Labour support or acquiescence to get the required majority.....and might Labour opt to force the Tories to continue with their tiny majority, internal splits, a leader with no mandate from the electorate and possibly economic/negotiating difficulties? Particularly if Labour itself was in a big mess - which looks highly likely?
Nick Posted 27 June 2016 Posted 27 June 2016 Unfortunately, I suspect that the "new party" that a lot of people might vote for at the moment is UKIP - and mainly ex-Labour voters. I struggle to envisage that happening - i think it more likely that the Labour party will re-invent itself as the party to lead the exit and people will buy into it as the alternatives will be slightly more horrendous than the prospect of another Labour government.
Guest Posted 27 June 2016 Posted 27 June 2016 I struggle to envisage that happening - i think it more likely that the Labour party will re-invent itself as the party to lead the exit and people will buy into it as the alternatives will be slightly more horrendous than the prospect of another Labour government. Name and image change required. The New Working Labour Party. Colour - Bordeaux/Claret emblem: outline of family of couple and 2 kids.
Alf Bentley Posted 27 June 2016 Posted 27 June 2016 I struggle to envisage that happening - i think it more likely that the Labour party will re-invent itself as the party to lead the exit and people will buy into it as the alternatives will be slightly more horrendous than the prospect of another Labour government. That's an interesting view. I find it hard to see that happening myself. There was already a big drift of Labour voters to UKIP in struggling areas at the last election. I'd expect that to continue with more Labour/Brexit voters switching to UKIP, particularly if the Tories renege on their perceived pledge to cut immigration - UKIP will be able to exploit that, and the fact that Labour mainly supported Remain. I partly hope you're right, though. Labour could reinvent itself in the way you suggest, though it's late in the day for that. It's a strategy that could easily backfire, too. If the UK struggles economically post-Brexit or a good Brexit deal cannot be obtained, then that new Labour Govt could easily take all the blame for the consequences of a process unleashed by Tory & UKIP Brexiteers.
johnny the fox Posted 27 June 2016 Posted 27 June 2016 i said from day one corbyn had a massive ego verging on psychopathy.. I was poo pooed....he has been an "againster" rebel all his life... its what he is most comfortable with...that is fine for adolescent teenagers in a student common room but not for a historic national political party....he if left to it will bring down and destroy the Labour movement as we know it...he is being aided and abetted by other woolly headed people who should know better.. how labour supporters expected the nation to follow a man who as had a charisma bypass is beyond me....but like him they are happy to be in a minority of one..
Thracian Posted 27 June 2016 Posted 27 June 2016 That's an interesting view. I find it hard to see that happening myself. There was already a big drift of Labour voters to UKIP in struggling areas at the last election. I'd expect that to continue with more Labour/Brexit voters switching to UKIP, particularly if the Tories renege on their perceived pledge to cut immigration - UKIP will be able to exploit that, and the fact that Labour mainly supported Remain. I partly hope you're right, though. Labour could reinvent itself in the way you suggest, though it's late in the day for that. It's a strategy that could easily backfire, too. If the UK struggles economically post-Brexit or a good Brexit deal cannot be obtained, then that new Labour Govt could easily take all the blame for the consequences of a process unleashed by Tory & UKIP Brexiteers. UKIP is still in the early stages of evolution and needs to quickly broaden both its appeal and the definition of itself. I worked within UKIP for a short time, amassing interest that astounded and overwhelmed me. It showed how desperate the British people are for new governance and how important it is for UKIPs leaders to listen and understand what they need to effect for the better. But their policies remain undetailed, their selection process questionable, their economy with the truth offputting and their own goals a brake on their impact in a world where there are far more who are desperate to highlight their failings (often for their own self-serving ends) than to praise their offer of hope for the future. In time and perhaps with the good luck of so much turmoil and disenchantment concerning today's big party politics, UKIP can and should come up with a formula for fair future governance and I really don't see why, with 100% conviction, it should be so difficult. But they need to stop playing silly games and to start adding substance to their rhetoric. There is a place for an emerging party of the people and they have the chance to take it if they firmly distance themselves from extremism and the refugees from a ragtag of revolutionaries and instead set about formulating policies which put a smile on the face of multiculturalism by ensuring it's development is controlled (for protective, strategic and economical purposes), sustainable, genuinely all inclusive and doesn't adversely impact on anyone as is clearly the case right now. They also need the right kind of consistent PR and of internal communication so that every individual at least knows and understands precisely what they're supposed to be standing for. Comments about "not liking negroid features" and "banning convicted criminals from driving" impact like a cigarette lighter on petrol fumes and are infinitely more damaging for having nothing to do with party policy whatsoever.
Alf Bentley Posted 27 June 2016 Posted 27 June 2016 The Eagles have both flown the nest now. I've eventually worked out the meaning of your cryptic comment (Maria & Angela Eagle, for those as slow on the uptake as me). At first, I thought that Corbyn might have joined Cameron in resigning, then I thought it might be Osborne - twin eagles on the commanding heights of politics or whatever. Then, for a brief moment, I thought that it was good news and that a couple of the people responsible for that monstrosity "Hotel California" had snuffed it!
Jimothy Posted 27 June 2016 Posted 27 June 2016 I've eventually worked out the meaning of your cryptic comment (Maria & Angela Eagle, for those as slow on the uptake as me). At first, I thought that Corbyn might have joined Cameron in resigning, then I thought it might be Osborne - twin eagles on the commanding heights of politics or whatever. Then, for a brief moment, I thought that it was good news and that a couple of the people responsible for that monstrosity "Hotel California" had snuffed it! They both went within an hour of each other, I couldn't think of a better way to post it And I like Hotel California!
Guest Sharpe's Fox Posted 27 June 2016 Posted 27 June 2016 Thought Emily Thornberry made a decent defence of JC here, wasn't keen after the England flag thing but she's actually alright https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5IrsbX1s8M
The Horse's Mouth Posted 27 June 2016 Posted 27 June 2016 has both parties been in this much of a state at the same time?
Strokes Posted 27 June 2016 Posted 27 June 2016 And I like Hotel California! Too right, wind your neck in Alfred.
Stadt Posted 27 June 2016 Posted 27 June 2016 Seems like we've finally broken the stagnancy of the political scene here
Alf Bentley Posted 27 June 2016 Posted 27 June 2016 Too right, wind your neck in Alfred. "The young rebel who was King"
Alf Bentley Posted 27 June 2016 Posted 27 June 2016 Seems like we've finally broken the stagnancy of the political scene here Yep. Latest I'm hearing is that the Brexit Tories have been in touch with Buckingham Palace. They're proposing a new national anthem instead of "God save the Queen", one more appropriate to the new era they've launched:
Guest Bilo Posted 27 June 2016 Posted 27 June 2016 It does feel like 2 party politics might be nearing the end. I wonder whether if a new party stood on a remain ticket it would win comfortably right now. Lib Dem resurgence cannot be ruled out as the Brexit catastrophe deepens.
johnny the fox Posted 27 June 2016 Posted 27 June 2016 Lib Dem resurgence cannot be ruled out as the Brexit catastrophe deepens. comedy gold...
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 27 June 2016 Posted 27 June 2016 Better Labour dies now than zombies its way to the next GE. It's time for new partys, new alliances and new thinking. The people will vote for a new party at the moment. Yes, I have been thinking this myself.
Guest MattP Posted 27 June 2016 Posted 27 June 2016 No chance of a Liberal resurgence under Farron, he's weirder than Miliband, talks like Les Dennis and acts like a local cub scout leader, he's almost childish. People at the Corbyn rally chanting "hang Blarite scum" The new kinder politics.
Strokes Posted 27 June 2016 Posted 27 June 2016 No chance of a Liberal resurgence under Farron, he's weirder than Miliband, talks like Les Dennis and acts like a local cub scout leader, he's almost childish. People at the Corbyn rally chanting "hang Blarite scum" The new kinder politics. kinell, what has happened to this country, it's both brilliant and stupid.
The Horse's Mouth Posted 27 June 2016 Posted 27 June 2016 Was hilarious them using the referendum hysteria to get more membership.
Guest MattP Posted 27 June 2016 Posted 27 June 2016 One thing is clear, either the hard left or moderate centre left is leaving the Labour party. No one can they reconcile after this. They're all arguing and fighting on Twitter, McDonnell again being accused of encouraging Momentum activists to harass other MP's, the leadership election could be the nastiest in history.
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