Guest Sharpe's Fox Posted 26 June 2016 Posted 26 June 2016 Jeremy Corbyn statement: Our country faces a huge challenge following Thursday's vote to leave the European Union. And the British people have a right to know how their elected leaders are going to respond. We need to come together to heal the divisions exposed by the vote. We have to respect the decision that has been made, hold the government to democratic account over its response, and ensure that working people don't pay the price of exit. Neither wing of the Tory government has an exit plan. Labour will now ensure that our reform agenda is at the heart of the negotiations that lie ahead. That includes the freedom to shape our economy for the future and the necessity of protecting social and employment rights. One clear message from last Thursday's vote is that millions of people feel shut out of a political and economic system that has let them down and scarred our country with grotesque levels of inequality. I was elected by hundreds of thousands of Labour Party members and supporters with an overwhelming mandate for a different kind of politics. I regret there have been resignations today from my shadow cabinet. But I am not going to betray the trust of those who voted for me - or the millions of supporters across the country who need Labour to represent them. Those who want to change Labour's leadership will have to stand in a democratic election, in which I will be a candidate. Over the next 24 hours I will reshape my shadow cabinet and announce a new leadership team to take forward Labour's campaign for a fairer Britain - and to get the best deal with Europe for our people.
johnny the fox Posted 26 June 2016 Posted 26 June 2016 i know plenty of 3 quid members who are tories who joined just to vote him in and will again.. he stays the party is toast..
Guest MattP Posted 26 June 2016 Posted 26 June 2016 He'll fight to the endddddddddddd, JJeremy Corbynnnnn, he'll fight til the eendddddddddddd. Gowon Jezza, you can do it.
The Doctor Posted 26 June 2016 Posted 26 June 2016 In all seriousness, why are the blairites attempting a coup ten days before the chilcot enquiry is published? Very poor timing surely?
Guest Bilo Posted 26 June 2016 Posted 26 June 2016 It's not just that the Blairites, that's a Momentum inspired caricature of what's happening.When loyalists like Seema Malhotra are fleeing, he's in trouble.
Alf Bentley Posted 26 June 2016 Posted 26 June 2016 In all seriousness, why are the blairites attempting a coup ten days before the chilcot enquiry is published? Very poor timing surely? Are you being serious there? Most of the shadow ministers who have resigned weren't even MPs when Blair was PM - and it's not as if the Labour Party is in charge of Chilcot... Some of Corbyn's policies are very good, but he's just not up to the job, IMHO.
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 27 June 2016 Posted 27 June 2016 Imagine this lot running the country.. in all my life I have never seen a shambles like it,, what was once a great party is now being destroyed by ego's and political pygmies.. for their own narrow gain.. desperate stuff. Which party are you describing?
Ross-Kemp Posted 27 June 2016 Posted 27 June 2016 Diana Johnson, Toby Perkins & Anna Turley have all resigned now.
johnny the fox Posted 27 June 2016 Posted 27 June 2016 Which party are you describing? the clue is in the thread title..
The Doctor Posted 27 June 2016 Posted 27 June 2016 Are you being serious there? Most of the shadow ministers who have resigned weren't even MPs when Blair was PM - and it's not as if the Labour Party is in charge of Chilcot... Some of Corbyn's policies are very good, but he's just not up to the job, IMHO. Them not being MPs when Blair was in charge is rather irrelevant - when we talk of blairites we're talking about people who align with his end of the party and of the ones who've stepped down so far that I recognise (who in gods name is Ian Murray?), as I recall they're all the ones who were towards that end, the ones that never aligned with Corbyn but rather ones he appointed because he didn't have enough support in the ranks (just in the membership) to fill a shadow cabinet. Labour aren't in charge of chilcot, but if it goes the way everyone is expecting and it emerges that Blair was, as people keep putting it, a war criminal, those that would have the party shift back towards him would be well advised to keep their head down.
Rincewind Posted 27 June 2016 Posted 27 June 2016 Time for a new Liberal party to take the country by force with truth and honesty. The real Liberal Party never went away. They were just shoved to one side by the Lib Dems. They have a few councillors scattered about mainly in the north. I would like to see them emerge as the sensible party. The problem is people that supported them or were in the party have gone over to others like the Greens Labour or independent and are unaware of the Liberal UK party. I think a lot of people that vote Labour or Tory do so because there is little choice and scaremongering puts them off so vote for what they consider the lesser of two evils whichever party that may be at the time.
Alf Bentley Posted 27 June 2016 Posted 27 June 2016 Them not being MPs when Blair was in charge is rather irrelevant - when we talk of blairites we're talking about people who align with his end of the party and of the ones who've stepped down so far that I recognise (who in gods name is Ian Murray?), as I recall they're all the ones who were towards that end, the ones that never aligned with Corbyn but rather ones he appointed because he didn't have enough support in the ranks (just in the membership) to fill a shadow cabinet. Labour aren't in charge of chilcot, but if it goes the way everyone is expecting and it emerges that Blair was, as people keep putting it, a war criminal, those that would have the party shift back towards him would be well advised to keep their head down. Ian Murray is the one remaining Scottish Labour MP after the SNP massacre, I think, hence he got to be Shadow Scottish Secretary! Although Blair did SOME good things in office, I'm no fan of his - and was among the 1m or so on the big Iraq War demo. I hope Chilcot does put Blair & his cronies in the dock. However, I think you're overstating the "Blairite/New Labour" status of some of those who have resigned: applies to Falconer, certainly, but not necessarily the rest. Chris Bryant actually organised a letter calling for Blair's resignation back in 2006. Just because they're not Corbynistas doesn't mean they should all be dismissed as Blairites. They might be more centre-left than Corbyn, but most of the serious Blairites (Liz Kendall, Caroline Flint, Ben Bradshaw, Chris Leslie etc) opted not to serve under Corbyn. If Corbyn has to rely on people who share his thinking (what used to be the Campaign Group), he won't have enough people to form a shadow cabinet. I reckon you're risking a damaging "bunker mentality" if you think it's only Blairites who are unhappy with Corbyn. If I'd had a vote in the leadership contest, having started off as a Burnham supporter, I'd have ended up voting (albeit reluctantly) for Corbyn. I'm probably what used to be described as "soft left" (a supporter of people like Robin Cook & Clare Short, if that isn't before your time) - and actually left the Labour Party because I was never an enthusiastic Blairite. I now think Corbyn must go or he risks destroying the party forever, given the likely shift to UKIP of ex-Labour Brexit voters in struggling, deindustralised areas.
Rincewind Posted 27 June 2016 Posted 27 June 2016 Which party are you describing? could be any of them.
Guest MattP Posted 27 June 2016 Posted 27 June 2016 The term "Blairite" is becoming the new "that's racist" - tossed around so liberally it's lost any meaning. To describe people like Seema Malhotra or Toby Perkins as them is ridiculous. John Mann summed up perfectly why he has to go on Radio 4 - if he doesn't, by 2020 there won't be single safe Labour seat left north of Islington.
Alf Bentley Posted 27 June 2016 Posted 27 June 2016 The term "Blairite" is becoming the new "that's racist" - tossed around so liberally it's lost any meaning. To describe people like Seema Malhotra or Toby Perkins as them is ridiculous. John Mann summed up perfectly why he has to go on Radio 4 - if he doesn't, by 2020 there won't be single safe Labour seat left north of Islington. On TV yesterday, Andrew Neil clearly had sources suggesting that Malhotra was trying to rally support for John McDonnell to replace Corbyn - hardly the stance of a Blairite, if true. Even if I don't share all his politics, McDonnell would have been a lot better than Corbyn. At least he has a sense of tactics & strategy and comes across as fairly competent, if dull on TV. I'd hope for someone more convincing to non-Lab voters and disillusioned ex-Lab voters, though.
Sol thewall Bamba Posted 27 June 2016 Posted 27 June 2016 Conscious that I'm coming across as bashing Labour needlessly, but that Shadow Cabinet is tragic. They're not providing a credible alternative to the current government in my opinion.
Guest MattP Posted 27 June 2016 Posted 27 June 2016 Definitely a better politician than Corbyn, smarter, more articulate and clearly very bright. He actually seems like a very nice charming man whenever I see him on television, when I listen to him now I find it hard to believe he could support the actions of some of the groups he did in the past.
Guest MattP Posted 27 June 2016 Posted 27 June 2016 Tragic isn't the word, it's pathetic. Problem is he's barely got any MP's left to fill the position so you are going to find some awful politicians in it. It's amazing they have got people like Umanna, Cooper, Hunt, Jarvis sat doing nothing on the backbenches and people like Burgdon and Abbott being offered up to the public. Just what on earth happens if this goes to a vote and he's re elected? The party surely has to split.
Thracian Posted 27 June 2016 Posted 27 June 2016 Just what on earth happens if this goes to a vote and he's re elected? The party surely has to split. The sooner the better.
Guest Posted 27 June 2016 Posted 27 June 2016 Better Labour dies now than zombies its way to the next GE. It's time for new partys, new alliances and new thinking. The people will vote for a new party at the moment.
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