Buce Posted 27 August 2016 Posted 27 August 2016 35 minutes ago, Bilo said: I remember reading once that the far-right hate anybody who looks different to them, the far-left hate anybody who thinks differently to them. Make of that what you will. I think maybe you should read less and think more.
Alf Bentley Posted 27 August 2016 Posted 27 August 2016 1 minute ago, Buce said: I think maybe you should read less and think more. A wise old owl lived in an oak The more he saw the less he spoke The less he spoke the more he heard Oh, why can't we all be like that wise old bird! Think on't, Bucey!
Guest Bilo Posted 27 August 2016 Posted 27 August 2016 3 minutes ago, Buce said: I think maybe you should read less and think more. How's the Corbyn revolution going? It's been even more of a disaster than I feared, and I'm a pessimist.
Buce Posted 27 August 2016 Posted 27 August 2016 10 minutes ago, Bilo said: How's the Corbyn revolution going? It's been even more of a disaster than I feared, and I'm a pessimist. I agree with you completely - you even repped a post in which I said as much. My beef with your previous post is the unfounded generalisation; I have made no secret of my political stance, but I don't hate anyone.
Buce Posted 27 August 2016 Posted 27 August 2016 15 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said: A wise old owl lived in an oak The more he saw the less he spoke The less he spoke the more he heard Oh, why can't we all be like that wise old bird! Think on't, Bucey! I must be particularly thick this morning, Alf, coz I haven't got a clue what you're talking about.
Guest Bilo Posted 27 August 2016 Posted 27 August 2016 13 minutes ago, Buce said: I agree with you completely - you even repped a post in which I said as much. My beef with your previous post is the unfounded generalisation; I have made no secret of my political stance, but I don't hate anyone. I wouldn't class you as far left. When you see some of the sheer venom, vitriol and bile spouted by Corbynistas towards anyone who criticises the Dear Leader or even cracks a joke about him, you'll see there is plenty of hatred among those who are though.
Guest Bilo Posted 27 August 2016 Posted 27 August 2016 13 minutes ago, Buce said: I must be particularly thick this morning, Alf, coz I haven't got a clue what you're talking about. Glad it wasn't just me!
Guest MattP Posted 27 August 2016 Posted 27 August 2016 46 minutes ago, Bilo said: How's the Corbyn revolution going? It's been even more of a disaster than I feared, and I'm a pessimist. It's been even worse than I thought and even most Tories accused me of exaggerating how bad he would be.
Buce Posted 27 August 2016 Posted 27 August 2016 14 minutes ago, Bilo said: I wouldn't class you as far left. When you see some of the sheer venom, vitriol and bile spouted by Corbynistas towards anyone who criticises the Dear Leader or even cracks a joke about him, you'll see there is plenty of hatred among those who are though. I'm far-left in its historical sense. These Corbynistas are not. I don't know how I'd label them politically, tbh, but I despise them every bit as much as you do.
Guest MattP Posted 27 August 2016 Posted 27 August 2016 Just now, Buce said: I'm far-left in its historical sense. These Corbynistas are not. I don't know how I'd label them politically, tbh, but I despise them every bit as much as you do. My cousin is one and refers to themselves as "the progressive left".
Ross-Kemp Posted 27 August 2016 Posted 27 August 2016 Ken is Corbynista. So is Lee, look at their absolute shameless attempts to blame the train gaffe on the media. Its getting beyond hilarious now
Guest MattP Posted 27 August 2016 Posted 27 August 2016 3 minutes ago, Ross-Kemp said: Ken is Corbynista. So is Lee, look at their absolute shameless attempts to blame the train gaffe on the media. Its getting beyond hilarious now The Torygraph but quite spot on here, even the truth is now "smear" to the Corbynistas, the similarity to them and Trump's supporters is cleaerer by the day. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2016/08/27/jeremy-corbyns-disciples-cant-handle-the-truth-so-they-dismiss-a/ Quote What’s the most hated word in English? The publishers of Oxford Dictionaries are commissioning a worldwide poll of English speakers. Personally, I vote for “smear”. Not only because of its ugliness but because of its increasingly wild misuse – specifically in politics. Until quite recently, a “smear” was a mendacious slur; an attack that was calculatedly untrue. Yet now, it seems, the definition is changing. The more fanatical followers of Jeremy Corbyn use “smear” to describe and dismiss any information that threatens to undermine their idol. In a Corbynite dictionary, the definition of “smear” would simply be “unhelpful fact”. Take this week’s revelation that the Labour leader had only pretended he couldn’t get a seat on a Virgin train. “Richard Branson Tries to Smear Jeremy Corbyn,” howled the headline on The Canary, the hard-Left conspiracy theory website. Mr Branson had released photographs that showed Mr Corbyn walking past available seats. Yes, we are now living in a world where documentary evidence constitutes a smear. In the eyes of the Corbynistas, even reality is biased against them. But it isn’t only the angry Left who dismiss inconvenient truths in this manner. The angry Right are doing it, too – as we see in America, where Donald Trump and his fanatics shout “smear” almost any time a newspaper quotes him. Mr Trump and Mr Corbyn have radically different political views, but in at least one respect they are similar: both constantly stoke paranoia about the media. In doing so, they encourage their supporters to see only what they want to see, to believe only what they want to believe – and to denounce any news source that treats their hero with anything less than uncritical admiration. While seeming to promote scepticism, Corbyn and Trump are actually promoting gullibility. Which suits them both rather well. P.S. Although stoking paranoia helps reinforce loyalty to Mr Corbyn from his existing followers, it doesn’t seem to be making him any more popular with the rest of the country. YouGov regularly asks the public who would make the best Prime Minister. Yesterday it published its latest findings. Theresa May won with 50 per cent of the vote. Mr Corbyn, meanwhile, got 19 per cent. This left him, I’m afraid, in a distant third place, after a surge in support for Don’t Know, on 31. If it were possible in an election, I’d quite happily vote Don’t Know. I suspect millions of others would, too. I can see the slogan now. “Don’t Know: the true voice of the British people.”
Buce Posted 27 August 2016 Posted 27 August 2016 11 minutes ago, MattP said: My cousin is one and refers to themselves as "the progressive left". Do you exchange Xmas gifts? Sounds like he could use a dictionary.
Guest MattP Posted 27 August 2016 Posted 27 August 2016 4 minutes ago, Buce said: Do you exchange Xmas gifts? Sounds like he could use a dictionary. It's a she, I would get her one but I've alreadly procured a tin foil hat and I don't want to spoil her.
Buce Posted 27 August 2016 Posted 27 August 2016 Just now, MattP said: It's a she, I would get her one but I've alreadly procured a tin foil hat and I don't want to spoil her. Damn! My inherent white, middle-class male misogyny laid bare for all to see..
Alf Bentley Posted 27 August 2016 Posted 27 August 2016 51 minutes ago, Buce said: I must be particularly thick this morning, Alf, coz I haven't got a clue what you're talking about. Just playing about with your exhortation to Bilo to read less and think more. Hence the nursery rhyme about the wise owl seeing and hearing but not speaking (thought everyone knew that rhyme). Just messing around really. In case of doubt, I wasn't presenting myself as a wise old owl. I see myself as more like a raucous, cawing crow....suddenly appear from nowhere, stir up loud confusion, pick up a few grains and then depart the scene. I was back up your way yesterday (Oadby, where we lived 2001-06), buying school clothes at Asda - for daughter, not self. On a hot day, I was tempted to join the throngs of idlers lolling around Wetherspoons with pints of ale, but I resisted....
Buce Posted 27 August 2016 Posted 27 August 2016 1 minute ago, Alf Bentley said: Just playing about with your exhortation to Bilo to read less and think more. Hence the nursery rhyme about the wise owl seeing and hearing but not speaking (thought everyone knew that rhyme). Just messing around really. In case of doubt, I wasn't presenting myself as a wise old owl. I see myself as more like a raucous, cawing crow....suddenly appear from nowhere, stir up loud confusion, pick up a few grains and then depart the scene. I was back up your way yesterday (Oadby, where we lived 2001-06), buying school clothes at Asda - for daughter, not self. On a hot day, I was tempted to join the throngs of idlers lolling around Wetherspoons with pints of ale, but I resisted.... Oh, right - I gotcha. I'm glad you're managing to keep the abstinence going, though I wouldn't have thought Wetherspoons would have offered much in the way of temptation. Oddly, I felt tempted for the first time in.. oh, more years than I can remember, on Wednesday. I'd taken a canoe out for the day on Rutland Water and it was one of those occasions when it just seemed so appropriate. I settled for a spliff though..
Alf Bentley Posted 27 August 2016 Posted 27 August 2016 1 minute ago, Buce said: Oh, right - I gotcha. I'm glad you're managing to keep the abstinence going, though I wouldn't have thought Wetherspoons would have offered much in the way of temptation. Oddly, I felt tempted for the first time in.. oh, more years than I can remember, on Wednesday. I'd taken a canoe out for the day on Rutland Water and it was one of those occasions when it just seemed so appropriate. I settled for a spliff though.. Wetherspoons as a venue wasn't particularly tempting, but they do serve a fine array of ales. Also, similarly to your Rutland Water experience, it was just a day when it seemed appropriate - sun out, a load of blokes lolling at tables out front slowly getting mellow and watching the world go by....more appealing than trogging off home to deal with lots of paperwork. Yep, coming up for 15 months off now, which is already a record. Can't see myself tolerating a world of continuous sobriety forever, but who knows....
Guest MattP Posted 27 August 2016 Posted 27 August 2016 8 minutes ago, Buce said: Oh, right - I gotcha. I'm glad you're managing to keep the abstinence going, though I wouldn't have thought Wetherspoons would have offered much in the way of temptation. Weatherspoons actually put a lot of effort into real ale and promoting British breweries, they are generally a bit rough but at least they don't try to be anything they aren't,
Buce Posted 27 August 2016 Posted 27 August 2016 10 minutes ago, MattP said: Weatherspoons actually put a lot of effort into real ale and promoting British breweries, they are generally a bit rough but at least they don't try to be anything they aren't, Yeah, so I understand, but being a non-drinker a nice pub garden is my criteria for a good pub, especially on a hot day. Although it has outside seating, Oadby Wetherspoons is situated next to a bus stop on a busy-ish road.
Claridge Posted 27 August 2016 Posted 27 August 2016 7 hours ago, Buce said: I'm far-left in its historical sense. These Corbynistas are not. I don't know how I'd label them politically, tbh, but I despise them every bit as much as you do. What happened? You loved the guy 6 months ago
cityfanlee23 Posted 27 August 2016 Posted 27 August 2016 On 26/08/2016 at 12:28, Strokes said: And amazingly its us that are being brainwashed, by not following this new political fad. Errr ok Lee. Watch the video I posted earlier and it will show why thatcherite moneterism and the current Neoliberal monetary system does not and cannot work long term. What fad?
cityfanlee23 Posted 27 August 2016 Posted 27 August 2016 7 hours ago, Ross-Kemp said: Ken is Corbynista. So is Lee, look at their absolute shameless attempts to blame the train gaffe on the media. Its getting beyond hilarious now I'm absolutely NOT a corbynista. He's unelectable. I'm not a corbynista in anyway, just laughable how scared the establishment are. Just to reiterate again, NOT. a corbynista.
Buce Posted 27 August 2016 Posted 27 August 2016 38 minutes ago, Claridge said: What happened? You loved the guy 6 months ago He, and the people around him, have been a huge disappointment. It's a shame because he has some excellent policies, but he's not Prime Minister material. And as for Momentum - they give the traditional left (such as myself) a bad name. My respect, and my vote, has to be earned; nobody gets a free ride.
Guest Bilo Posted 27 August 2016 Posted 27 August 2016 14 minutes ago, cityfanlee23 said: I'm absolutely NOT a corbynista. He's unelectable. I'm not a corbynista in anyway, just laughable how scared the establishment are. Just to reiterate again, NOT. a corbynista. The 'establishment,' whoever they are, think the man's a joke. They're as scared of him as the Calgary '88 ski jumpers were of Eddie the Eagle.
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