Labour party civil war

[cityfanlee23]

Not sure if you ever use "News Now" or not, great site for the latest news, it scours the internet to bring all of the news to one site. 

 

A quick search of the phrase "Human rights act" returns posts "in the last 7 days" something so big. 

http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/Current+Affairs/Government+&+Politics/Bills%2C+Acts+&+Reforms/Human+Rights+Act

 

Quick search of "traingate" (which is less likely to find results as it has to use that phrase in the article, I could have searched for a much more likely phrase)

And it's a forest of MSM reporting on it all this time later.

http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/?search=traingate&lang=en&searchheadlines=1

[Guest MattP]

9 minutes ago, cityfanlee23 said:

Not sure if you ever use "News Now" or not, great site for the latest news, it scours the internet to bring all of the news to one site. 

 

A quick search of the phrase "Human rights act" returns posts "in the last 7 days" something so big. 

http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/Current+Affairs/Government+&+Politics/Bills%2C+Acts+&+Reforms/Human+Rights+Act

 

Quick search of "traingate" (which is less likely to find results as it has to use that phrase in the article, I could have searched for a much more likely phrase)

And it's a forest of MSM reporting on it all this time later.

http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/?search=traingate&lang=en&searchheadlines=1

I'm pretty sure the coverage of this will be extensive when it actually starts to happen and we see what the changes will be, you are going on like this is some major decision that has just been thrust upon an unsuspecting public rather than one that has already been announced a year ago.

 

How many articles do you think there should be of the government confirming they are bringing forward a policy from the manifesto they were elected on?

 

 

[cityfanlee23]

15 minutes ago, MattP said:

I'm pretty sure the coverage of this will be extensive when it actually starts to happen and we see what the changes will be, you are going on like this is some major decision that has just been thrust upon an unsuspecting public rather than one that has already been announced a year ago.

 

How many articles do you think there should be of the government confirming they are bringing forward a policy from the manifesto they were elected on?

 

 

 

The point being none of them are really extensively educating the people on what it actually is. 

I think on policies this important they should be discussing it in great detail between now and when it's implemented. 

I really don't care about a ****ing train seat whilst the NHS is being privatised, Banks are destroying my childrens opportunities and future, Stock markets are destroying todays economy to profit from brexit, Welfare for the disabled is being reformed and cut making people worse off, 800,000 zero hour contracts created to manipulate the "employment" figures (by simply changing the way we record it) 

 

Theres a massive list of things more important than a train seat that the MSM conveniently miss out, or simply post a small article about then ignore or twist it to look as though it's okay. 

 

This is the exact reason I left the Tories, My policies are closer to Macmillan, I had hope that the tories would go back to having some compassion, turns out it was all a smokescreen. 

Looking back on it, the recovery gordon brown put forward would have been more successful for christ sake, Hindsight is amazing though. 

I just cannot trust the MSM or the conservatives in the majority that they say, if they wanted corbyn to stay in power, they would be silent on him. 

[Guest MattP]

5 minutes ago, cityfanlee23 said:

 

The point being none of them are really extensively educating the people on what it actually is. 

I think on policies this important they should be discussing it in great detail between now and when it's implemented. 

I really don't care about a ****ing train seat whilst the NHS is being privatised, Banks are destroying my childrens opportunities and future, Stock markets are destroying todays economy to profit from brexit, Welfare for the disabled is being reformed and cut making people worse off, 800,000 zero hour contracts created to manipulate the "employment" figures (by simply changing the way we record it) 

 

Theres a massive list of things more important than a train seat that the MSM conveniently miss out, or simply post a small article about then ignore or twist it to look as though it's okay. 

 

This is the exact reason I left the Tories, My policies are closer to Macmillan, I had hope that the tories would go back to having some compassion, turns out it was all a smokescreen. 

Looking back on it, the recovery gordon brown put forward would have been more successful for christ sake, Hindsight is amazing though. 

I just cannot trust the MSM or the conservatives in the majority that they say, if they wanted corbyn to stay in power, they would be silent on him. 

 

How can you discuss something in great detail that hasn't even been started yet? From what I gather Liz Truss starts work on this in the Autumn and the intention is to bring it forward to coincide with invoking Article 50, the press can't decide to just dedicate years of discussion to something without actually knowing anything yet, it's a developing story and policy that will progress over time.

 

Yet again it's not about a train seat, it's about the leader of the opposition lying about a National company to get his point across, something that was very newsworthy given him selling himself on a new "kinder, honest politics"

 

And don't worry about the kids they are out catching Pokemon. Although despite us supposdly "destroying" any chance for the youth it looks like University applications are going to be up again.

[Darkon84]

Thank god our lord and saviour is here to enlighten us then! Cheers mate.

[cityfanlee23]

3 minutes ago, MattP said:

 

How can you discuss something in great detail that hasn't even been started yet? From what I gather Liz Truss starts work on this in the Autumn and the intention is to bring it forward to coincide with invoking Article 50, the press can't decide to just dedicate years of discussion to something without actually knowing anything yet, it's a developing story and policy that will progress over time.

 

Yet again it's not about a train seat, it's about the leader of the opposition lying about a National company to get his point across, something that was very newsworthy given him selling himself on a new "kinder, honest politics"

 

And don't worry about the kids they are out catching Pokemon. Although despite us supposdly "destroying" any chance for the youth it looks like University applications are going to be up again.

At a higher rate than full job job applications relevant to degrees..... 

 

More students fighting for less jobs, you're so brainwashed you think it's a success? 

 

What about the price of housing? The costs of living compared to wages? 

Manipulated inflation rates that are actually rising faster than wages meaning we are relatively worse off? 

 

Those university students are in for a rough time, capitalism is a catastrophic failure.

[Guest MattP]

4 minutes ago, Darkon84 said:

Thank god our lord and saviour is here to enlighten us then! Cheers mate.

 

 

When they insist he's just not good enough Well we know better !!

Something inside so strongggggggg

Because Jeremy's standing strong gggggg

They're all doing him wrong sooooo wroonnnngggggggg soo wroonnggg

Because there's something inside so strong and Jeremy will make it though they're doing him wrong so wrong

You thought that our fight was gone, oh no..

Something inside so strongggggggggggg

 

 

 

[cityfanlee23]

Students are brainwashed by tbe education system that university is the be all and end all, and if they don't go they won't amount to anything. 

 

In reality they are being herded up and pushed into a lifetime of debt only to find the jobs are squeezed at the end,  how they can't see it beggars belief to me, but it seems they've done a great job of convincing just about everyone that university = success as even you think applications rising is a good thing in an economy that's falling apart.

[Sharpe's Fox]

3 minutes ago, MattP said:

 

And don't worry about the kids they are out catching Pokemon. Although despite us supposdly "destroying" any chance for the youth it looks like University applications are going to be up again.

yeah thank God for our elders for the house I can't buy, the rent I can't afford, the train I can't get on and the pension I'll never have. Hold the phone there's a Kadabra in the park brb.

[Guest MattP]

4 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said:

yeah thank God for our elders for the house I can't buy, the rent I can't afford, the train I can't get on and the pension I'll never have. Hold the phone there's a Kadabra in the park brb.

We should be blaming various government for not building houses and being totally unable to control the amount of people coming into the country for those problems, not old people. (Although I've never managed not to get on a train and I use them a lot? )

 

But that's for another thread.

[cityfanlee23]

5 minutes ago, MattP said:

We should be blaming various government for not building houses and being totally unable to control the amount of people coming into the country for those problems, not old people. (Although I've never managed not to get on a train and I use them a lot? )

 

But that's for another thread.

 

The main reason the housing prices rose so much is because private banks pumped 1.2 trillion into financial services in 10 years, 850bn into the housing bubble. 

[Guest MattP]

1 minute ago, cityfanlee23 said:

 

The main reason the housing prices rose so much is because private banks pumped 1.2 trillion into financial services in 10 years, 850bn into the housing bubble. 

Nothing to do with another seven million people arriving into the country in that time at all.

[cityfanlee23]

2 minutes ago, MattP said:

Nothing to do with another seven million people arriving into the country in that time at all.

 

Of course supply and demand is a factor, it's not the main one though. 

 

If supply and demand was such a factor there wouldn't be millions of places to rent or buy online today. 

 

The main reason housing prices rocketed is because in just 10 years private banks pumps almost 1 trillion into the UK housing bubble. 

 

It's no coincidence the housing price rise was a complete mirror of the rise in the money supply. 

[cityfanlee23]

This explains in great detail why housing prices have rocketed but as you said matt, it's for another debate. 

 

 

[Strokes]

1 hour ago, MattP said:

I've seen some damascian political conversions in my time but Thatcherite to Rincewind within a couple of years is pretty impressive.

And amazingly its us that are being brainwashed, by not following this new political fad. Errr ok Lee.

[Sharpe's Fox]

8 minutes ago, MattP said:

We should be blaming various government for not building houses and being totally unable to control the amount of people coming into the country for those problems, not old people. (Although I've never managed not to get on a train and I use them a lot? )

 

But that's for another thread.

Fair enough about the train thing, I've always got on but I rarely sit down. Slight exaggeration on my part. Both your points on housebuilding completely contradict eachother, however. You can't have a mass government sponsored housebuilding programme like what happened in the sixties and seventies without a large upscale of migrant labour, like what we saw in the sixties and seventies coincidently.

[Webbo]

Maybe I'm a naive simpleton but I'd have thought that telling a blatant lie to make a political point was manipulation and the press telling the undoubted truth was what the press was supposed to do?

 

Corbyn has destroyed the tiny bit of credibility he had. We all knew he was as nutty  as a fruitcake but at least he wasn't all spin. Now we can all see that he is and the fact he was caught so easily proves he's a bit thick as well. 

[bovril]

Standing room only at peak times on the train I use. But that's because the local stations can only accommodate trains of four carriages. Still I'm wondering how I can shoehorn in a completely unrelated point about immigration.

[IrememberBobHazell]

I have followed the latest additions to this debate with interest. It seems CityfanLee23 is so vehment in his opinions that the rest of know absolutely nothing. Through education, qualification and experience I think I can hold a discussion on Politics with most but I never assume I have a unique handle on wisdom, didn't Socrates once say that the only true wisdom consists of knowing you know nothing?

 Each to their own and all that but to say Capitalism is a catastrophic failure is total nonsense. Its a system that has created the clothes on your back, the house you live in (even if publically owned), the jobs that fund the Public sector etc etc. Does it have its problems? Absolutely! But even Karl Marx prescribed no alternative but revolution. When asked what the post revolutionary world would look like he said something along the lines of he couldn't predict the recipes for the cook shops of the future and that the state would wither away. Well whoopdy doo Beardy that's insightful.

I don't mean to be harsh but we have to be honest and state that there are a multitude of economists painting a far more rosy picture than our latest correspondent depicts. Mr Corbyns policies of spending Kings Ransoms on the never never gives me cause for concern, its never ended well before and could be just as inflationary as the Quantative Easing programme that concerns some.

 

[thebartonfox]

4 hours ago, cityfanlee23 said:

Ignore it? It's been going on for about 2 weeks.... 

It's not though has it? The train journey was 2 weeks ago, but it's only really become a big story since Tuesday this week when Virgin released the footage. 

[Captain...]

1 hour ago, Webbo said:

Maybe I'm a naive simpleton but I'd have thought that telling a blatant lie to make a political point was manipulation and the press telling the undoubted truth was what the press was supposed to do?

 

Corbyn has destroyed the tiny bit of credibility he had. We all knew he was as nutty  as a fruitcake but at least he wasn't all spin. Now we can all see that he is and the fact he was caught so easily proves he's a bit thick as well. 

It was monumentally stupid to try and get some sort of political traction out of what was essentially nothing. The point about trains being poorly run and in need of sorting out is valid, although I can't see nationalisation of the railways being a massive vote winner, yet making a tit out of yourself will lose you votes. Although Cameron and Johnson and many others have had plenty of PR faux pas and survived.

 

The daft thing is it would not have been hard for Corbyn to go on a train that is rammed and not even be able to sit on the floor, having enough space to sit on the floor would be a luxury on many peak trains in and out of London.

[Guest Bilo]

Check the comments to see what happens when one dares make a joke about the Dear Leader.

This is getting ridiculous.

[Guest MattP]

It's actually quite a worrying read, you get the feeling if these people ever did take power they'd try and control the media to  make sure the dear leader wasn't criticised in any way. 

[Rincewind]

It is HIGNFY which is satire. I do not see it as having a go at Corbyn but mocking politics and how the media report on non stories rather than important issues.

 

Anyway it says 'Corbyn's press team' not Corbyn.

[Guest Bilo]

19 minutes ago, MattP said:

It's actually quite a worrying read, you get the feeling if these people ever did take power they'd try and control the media to  make sure the dear leader wasn't criticised in any way. 

I remember reading once that the far-right hate anybody who looks different to them,  the far-left hate anybody who thinks differently to them. 

 

Make of that what you will.