Rincewind Posted 3 September 2016 Posted 3 September 2016 10 hours ago, Claridge said: He is so far detached from the real world it's untrue.he acts like its the 1970s.he patronises women all the time.sexist, racist anti-Semitic with his SA ,sorry momentum followers disrupting, threating any opponents, Weimar Germany all over again. He may be detached in one sense but I think that goes for many politicians. The majority are career politicians and have little contact with the those that matter. At least Corbyn is trying to change this and wants Labour MP's to go into the communities and find out what grievances people have and actually listen. Trouble is a lot of Labour Mp's are of the 'New Labour' era which makes Corbyn seem a lot more radical than he actually is. I may not agree with all that he says but I admire the fact that he has stuck to his principles and actually cares about people. I posted the quote because I thought the responses to the story were a little one sided. Words and the way that they are used are very powerful. Politicians of today are very good at giving speeches cause the public to unbeknowingly think the way that the politician want them to. I heard a bit of an interview on the radio the other night with a speech writer who has written speeches for all parties. He said the hardest one was writing a speech for Blair in favour of the Iraq war which he actually disagreed with.His prediction for the Tory conference is that there will be talks supporting May and saying how she is going to make Britain great again with plenty of cheering clapping and slapping of backs. For the Labour one he says it will be more difficult as the election result will not be known a day or so before and there will be supporters from both sides so still disgruntled people. I would rather they get behind whoever wins and concentrate their disatifaction at the Tories instead of their own members.
Strokes Posted 3 September 2016 Posted 3 September 2016 1 hour ago, Buce said: A few years ago, the Old Horse on London Rd. had a sign outside advertising a 'man crèche' for women to leave their men in while they went shopping. Id be offended but actually i hope it catches on.
Buce Posted 3 September 2016 Posted 3 September 2016 33 minutes ago, Strokes said: Id be offended but actually i hope it catches on. The missus and I have an agreement that we never shop together.
Claridge Posted 3 September 2016 Posted 3 September 2016 56 minutes ago, Rincewind said: He may be detached in one sense but I think that goes for many politicians. The majority are career politicians and have little contact with the those that matter. At least Corbyn is trying to change this and wants Labour MP's to go into the communities and find out what grievances people have and actually listen. Trouble is a lot of Labour Mp's are of the 'New Labour' era which makes Corbyn seem a lot more radical than he actually is. I may not agree with all that he says but I admire the fact that he has stuck to his principles and actually cares about people. I posted the quote because I thought the responses to the story were a little one sided. Words and the way that they are used are very powerful. Politicians of today are very good at giving speeches cause the public to unbeknowingly think the way that the politician want them to. I heard a bit of an interview on the radio the other night with a speech writer who has written speeches for all parties. He said the hardest one was writing a speech for Blair in favour of the Iraq war which he actually disagreed with.His prediction for the Tory conference is that there will be talks supporting May and saying how she is going to make Britain great again with plenty of cheering clapping and slapping of backs. For the Labour one he says it will be more difficult as the election result will not be known a day or so before and there will be supporters from both sides so still disgruntled people. I would rather they get behind whoever wins and concentrate their disatifaction at the Tories instead of their own members. Ruth Smeeth a Jewish labour mp who criticised Corbyn has received 25,000 abusive messages and death threats.She now has police protection.Momentum the new facists
leicsmac Posted 3 September 2016 Posted 3 September 2016 3 hours ago, Claridge said: Ruth Smeeth a Jewish labour mp who criticised Corbyn has received 25,000 abusive messages and death threats.She now has police protection.Momentum the new facists Perhaps I'm nitpicking here, but...even given the anti-Semitism that some display, you can call Momentum a lot of things but fascist isn't really one of them. I mean, they're hardly in favour of hardcore nationalism and warfare to prove that superiority, and serious ties between government and big corporations...are they?
Rincewind Posted 3 September 2016 Posted 3 September 2016 First Corbyn was a communist now a facist what next an alien from Mars? Do you really think Corbyn would approve or support anyone sending those letters? They really are scraping the bottom of the barrel now in finding things to blame him for. They are getting desperate. I'm off to the West End beer fest to get away from this madness.
The Railway Man Posted 3 September 2016 Posted 3 September 2016 44 minutes ago, Rincewind said: First Corbyn was a communist now a facist what next an alien from Mars? Do you really think Corbyn would approve or support anyone sending those letters? They really are scraping the bottom of the barrel now in finding things to blame him for. They are getting desperate. I'm off to the West End beer fest to get away from this madness. Sexist.
Claridge Posted 3 September 2016 Posted 3 September 2016 8 hours ago, Rincewind said: First Corbyn was a communist now a facist what next an alien from Mars? Do you really think Corbyn would approve or support anyone sending those letters? They really are scraping the bottom of the barrel now in finding things to blame him for. They are getting desperate. I'm off to the West End beer fest to get away from this madness. Scraping the barrel?its being done in his name by his supporters.
Rincewind Posted 4 September 2016 Posted 4 September 2016 So you think he sanctioned or approves their actions? Are you saying that fans that smash shop windows are a true reflection of LCFC supporters and of the club because they are wearing City colours?
Claridge Posted 4 September 2016 Posted 4 September 2016 2 hours ago, Rincewind said: So you think he sanctioned or approves their actions? Are you saying that fans that smash shop windows are a true reflection of LCFC supporters and of the club because they are wearing City colours? Who knows, seems perfectly comfortable with momentum to me and sympathetic with other organisations that have shady ideals. The fans who do this this are not real fans of LCFC, just as Corbyn and his mobs are not real fans of the labour movement.
Thracian Posted 5 September 2016 Posted 5 September 2016 On 9/3/2016 at 13:19, Rincewind said: First Corbyn was a communist now a facist what next an alien from Mars? Do you really think Corbyn would approve or support anyone sending those letters? They really are scraping the bottom of the barrel now in finding things to blame him for. They are getting desperate. I'm off to the West End beer fest to get away from this madness. I wouldn't put anything past Corbyn.
MPH Posted 5 September 2016 Posted 5 September 2016 On September 3, 2016 at 08:19, Rincewind said: First Corbyn was a communist now a facist what next an alien from Mars? Do you really think Corbyn would approve or support anyone sending those letters? They really are scraping the bottom of the barrel now in finding things to blame him for. They are getting desperate. I'm off to the West End beer fest to get away from this madness. On September 3, 2016 at 16:35, Claridge said: Scraping the barrel?its being done in his name by his supporters. On September 4, 2016 at 04:06, Rincewind said: So you think he sanctioned or approves their actions? Are you saying that fans that smash shop windows are a true reflection of LCFC supporters and of the club because they are wearing City colours? Hopefully he's at least speaking out against their actions and condemning them...
IrememberBobHazell Posted 5 September 2016 Posted 5 September 2016 I don't think for one minute Mr Corbyn is conducting some clandestine campaign of fear and violence, I am however concerned that it is being done in the name of him AND there are some pretty unlovely elements attached. The best comment I have read is that Labour have been subject to a 'hostile takeover'. I can (and do) disagree with many politically but respectfully. However I can't ever remember a main stream campaign by a mainstream party leader attracting such dark elements. I am genuinely fearful what might happen in the next General Election, not the result per ce but the spirit and mood of the campaign. I can see it be incredibly dark, bitter and possibly violent. If certain elements can put a brick through a constituency window or subject MP's of their own side to death threats and homophobic abuse just think what non Labour candidates especially in marginals may suffer.
Darkon84 Posted 6 September 2016 Posted 6 September 2016 On 04/09/2016 at 09:06, Rincewind said: So you think he sanctioned or approves their actions? Are you saying that fans that smash shop windows are a true reflection of LCFC supporters and of the club because they are wearing City colours? The difference here, is that if this was a supporters group heavily associated with LCFC, I'm fairly certain that the club would distance itself from these people and possibly seek out the perpetrators then issue stadium bans. However, with the case of Momentum, nothing is said, no distance made and no condemnation made whatsoever. The silence is deafening.
The Railway Man Posted 6 September 2016 Posted 6 September 2016 On 9/4/2016 at 09:06, Rincewind said: So you think he sanctioned or approves their actions? Are you saying that fans that smash shop windows are a true reflection of LCFC supporters and of the club because they are wearing City colours? I don't think Corbyn is an anti-semite or someone who would ever encourage violence but I don't think he's also that bothered about it providing it's used to intimidate his opponents or in the case of the Jewish stuff create an argument against US/Israel, more this whole leadership campaign goes on though I just think he's so naive to the World and a bit simple. McDonnell and Milne on the other hand I could see really encouraging this behind the scenes, this is a geezer who supported and most probably celebrated people blowing up innocent people just a few years ago and enjoyed the company of the people who did it, this would be low level stuff for him to just egg on a bit of intimidation. What Hazall also says is spot on, I do fear for the next election, if they are prepared to throw bricks and antisemitic/sexist abuse at their own party candidates can you imagine how nasty they will get to opponents in marginals seats? Darkon has pretty much nailed it though with what he said, the comparison to Leicester is nothing as Leicester would do something about it, Momentum haven't even expelled people who have called for Jews to be deported from a continent, if UKIP had done that I have a hard job believing you would be going out of your way to make excuses for them.
Guest MattP Posted 6 September 2016 Posted 6 September 2016 Even I'm getting bored of this now, Corbyn could be found in a mosque with Abu Hamza's hook up his arse and his supporters would still rally around him saying it was the Blarites/Jews/MSM. If this was a snooker match Smith would shake hands and concede, the railroading is complete as proved by the polls, moderate Labour MP's have to now to decide whether they split or wait for four more years of this and then fight deselection.
Guest MattP Posted 12 September 2016 Posted 12 September 2016 Mary Creagh has a brick thrown through her window.http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/mary-creagh-labour-mp-brick-attack-wakefield-mp-a7238371.html
foxy boxing Posted 12 September 2016 Posted 12 September 2016 anyone using violence against persons or property because they don't agree with others are complete idiots the hard left need to grow up and accept democracy. as we have seen communism does not work and fascists are completely pathetic
Nick Posted 12 September 2016 Posted 12 September 2016 2 minutes ago, foxy boxing said: anyone using violence against persons or property because they don't agree with others are complete idiots the hard left need to grow up and accept democracy. as we have seen communism does not work and fascists are completely pathetic Fair point - can I have my brick back though please?
Merging Cultures Posted 12 September 2016 Posted 12 September 2016 42 minutes ago, foxy boxing said: anyone using violence against persons or property because they don't agree with others are complete idiots the hard left need to grow up and accept democracy. as we have seen communism does not work and fascists are completely pathetic #stoptheboxingviolence
Guest MattP Posted 14 September 2016 Posted 14 September 2016 Another day another chuckle. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1638541/labour-shadow-cabinet-minister-heads-to-the-wrong-town-for-jeremy-corbyn-rally/
cityfanlee23 Posted 14 September 2016 Posted 14 September 2016 13 hours ago, MattP said: Another day another chuckle. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1638541/labour-shadow-cabinet-minister-heads-to-the-wrong-town-for-jeremy-corbyn-rally/ 1) This wasn't "Another day another chuckle" it was 3 weeks ago, Secondly, the article states he "Headed" to the wrong place, then go on to say it was a tweet for a future date, so he had not exactly set off to the wrong place had it? Don't really see what the chuckle is, just a mistake on a tweet.
Merging Cultures Posted 15 September 2016 Posted 15 September 2016 http://order-order.com/2016/09/15/neil-coyle-threatens-sue-corbyn-personally-defamation/ Coyle threatens to sue Corbyn.
Darkon84 Posted 20 September 2016 Posted 20 September 2016 Did anyone see Dispatches on C4 last night, going undercover in Momentum and Labour supporters groups etc? Unfortunately I only got to see the first 20 minutes before having to go out to play 5 a side, but it appears to have caused quite a stir on Twitter and, of course, the Huff Post, blaming the mainstream media for trying to smear the Labour left. I mean, come on, haven't any of those people watched Channel 4 news over the last couple of years? They've gone so far left and biased it's almost unbearable to watch at times, and now these people are claiming it's part of the MSM conspiracy against Corbyn. It's really quite laughable. Anyway, I suppose I can't comment too much on it, having not watched the rest yet, but was wondering what other people's take on it was?
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.