Labour party civil war

[Webbo]

3 hours ago, Bilo said:

 

Christmas number 1 for sure.

[Guest MattP]

I'm going to one of his rallies soon, can't let this go by without seeing it live.

 

Anyone know when he is near here?

[theessexfox]

17 minutes ago, MattP said:

I'm going to one of his rallies soon, can't let this go by without seeing it live.

 

Anyone know when he is near here?

His upcoming rallies are in London, Liverpool, Manchester and Scotland according to his website 

[Guest MattP]

11 minutes ago, theessexfox said:

His upcoming rallies are in London, Liverpool, Manchester and Scotland according to his website 

His areas I suppose, although I doubt the Leicester Labour party is much about militant councils or freedom for Palestine so he wouldn't be here would he? shame, I would have gone just to have spoken to the crowd, would have been an educational afternoon.

 

Oh well, maybe we'll get Derek Hatton and the Pacemakers doing "You'll never walk alone" on youtube next week.

[Guest MattP]

Just googled him out of interest and this came up, could be a good watch, only went up yesterday.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37173280

 

Corbyn could win UK election with big majority says Hatton

24 August 2016 Last updated at 11:24 BST

Critical coverage of Jeremy Corbyn has been part of a "vicious campaign" by certain sections of the media, the former UK Labour politician Derek Hatton has told BBC HARDtalk's Shaun Ley.

"Let's be honest if he was so unelectable and it was so unwinnable, the Tory newspapers, the likes of the Mail and others would be sitting back and saying 'let him carry on, cause this will guarantee the Tories will actually win'," he said.

"The reality is the reason why they are so opposed to him, so vicious in their condemnation for him, is that they actually do think, not only could he win, but he could win by a big majority," he added.

Mr Hatton was a former deputy leader of Liverpool City Council. He was expelled from the Labour party in 1986 for belonging to the left-wing Militant faction.

[cityfanlee23]

6 hours ago, MattP said:

Just googled him out of interest and this came up, could be a good watch, only went up yesterday.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37173280

 

Corbyn could win UK election with big majority says Hatton

24 August 2016 Last updated at 11:24 BST

Critical coverage of Jeremy Corbyn has been part of a "vicious campaign" by certain sections of the media, the former UK Labour politician Derek Hatton has told BBC HARDtalk's Shaun Ley.

"Let's be honest if he was so unelectable and it was so unwinnable, the Tory newspapers, the likes of the Mail and others would be sitting back and saying 'let him carry on, cause this will guarantee the Tories will actually win'," he said.

"The reality is the reason why they are so opposed to him, so vicious in their condemnation for him, is that they actually do think, not only could he win, but he could win by a big majority," he added.

Mr Hatton was a former deputy leader of Liverpool City Council. He was expelled from the Labour party in 1986 for belonging to the left-wing Militant faction.

Thought all of this was obvious, if him saying in power would guarantee them power, they would be praising him. The media are scared. 

[Webbo]

1 hour ago, cityfanlee23 said:

Thought all of this was obvious, if him saying in power would guarantee them power, they would be praising him. The media are scared. 

Yeah. The same as I'm scared of an alien invasion. Possible but extremely unlikely.

[cityfanlee23]

25 minutes ago, Webbo said:

Yeah. The same as I'm scared of an alien invasion. Possible but extremely unlikely.

Keeps being said yet the attacks keep coming. 

If people truly wanted him to be in power they would let it all happen. 

[Webbo]

7 hours ago, cityfanlee23 said:

Keeps being said yet the attacks keep coming. 

If people truly wanted him to be in power they would let it all happen. 

William Hague had it far worse and he's a lot more intelligent than Cornyn. He was caught telling a whopper do you think the press are just going to ignore that?

[Nick]

Politicians lie to sculpt agenda....

 

And in other news Catholic bear in Pope investigation having found excrement in woodland.

[cityfanlee23]

1 hour ago, Webbo said:

William Hague had it far worse and he's a lot more intelligent than Cornyn. He was caught telling a whopper do you think the press are just going to ignore that?

Ignore it? It's been going on for about 2 weeks.... 

It's pathetic how the media have everyone so brainwashed that they can have non stories like this circulating and for so long. 

 

If only people in this country had this sort of uproar to and passion about the real political lies told, maybe we would actually get somewhere. 

 

Banks are literally destroying the economy and ruining the life chances of our children, but the media say nothing because it's all about the elite helping the elite. 

 

Murdoch isn't going to publish any stories about the slavery of the monetary system any time soon, so he settles for having everyone argue over a train seat to smear the ones that are a threat to his organisation. 

Mind control at its finest. 

[cityfanlee23]

They are focusing on the fact JC stretched a point to make a case for nationalisation, those same papers don't mention anything important like the ticket prices have had an average inflation of over 80% since privatisation, Upto 200% for main city lines. 

 

I wonder if JC nationalised them and put prices up by 3% If they would print national uproar? Yes they would. 

[Rincewind]

Those same papers report on overcrowding on trains. Corbyn explained what happened. The seats he passed were reserved.

Anyway it was wrong of Virgin to release CTV footage without a person's permission. 

He was at a press conference to answer questions on the NHS and the press/media hounded him about this rubbish.

Interestingly while all the papers were concerning themselves about this non-story, Theresa May announced the abolishing of the HRA. Which was missed by most of the press. Very convenient. Lucky that some online publications are around to let the public know about the important issues..

[Webbo]

54 minutes ago, cityfanlee23 said:

 

Mind control at its finest. 

Thank heavens you have the razor sharp intellect to see through it that the rest of us lack.

[Darkon84]

I think I've had enough internet for one day already. Jesus!

[cityfanlee23]

34 minutes ago, Webbo said:

Thank heavens you have the razor sharp intellect to see through it that the rest of us lack.

 

Someone has to open your eyes. 

 

pass it on. 

[cityfanlee23]

40 minutes ago, Rincewind said:

Those same papers report on overcrowding on trains. Corbyn explained what happened. The seats he passed were reserved.

Anyway it was wrong of Virgin to release CTV footage without a person's permission. 

He was at a press conference to answer questions on the NHS and the press/media hounded him about this rubbish.

Interestingly while all the papers were concerning themselves about this non-story, Theresa May announced the abolishing of the HRA. Which was missed by most of the press. Very convenient. Lucky that some online publications are around to let the public know about the important issues..

This exactly. 

The main stream media have the electorate in their pockets, 

the winner of the election will be whoever the MSM say it should be, 

the electorate are too stupid to think for themselves or know the truth about what's going on. 

 

As I said, if only people were so passionate about the big decisions as they are about a train seat we would have a much better country.

[cityfanlee23]

When I was a conservative, I watched Corbyns conference, it was like watching someone predicting the future... 

He spoke about potentially millions being struck off the electoral register by the Tories in a bid to gerrymander the local elections, 

8 months later 800,000 lose their right to vote, the majority in Labour areas. 

The paper post one headline as they have a duty to inform the electorate and say nothing else, it got swept under the carpet. 

 

They then proceed to spend 2 weeks arguing over a train seat whilst the HRA announcement is made, it's a joke.

[Guest MattP]

12 hours ago, cityfanlee23 said:

Thought all of this was obvious, if him saying in power would guarantee them power, they would be praising him. The media are scared. 

Laughable, the leader of opposition, who has made his honesty and integrity the centrepiece of why we should elect him, was caught lying, of course it's national news, to suggest the newspaper are scared of him is comical, he doesn't do a thing to them even if he was in power.

 

We'll always have freedom of the press in Britain.

 

34 minutes ago, Rincewind said:

Those same papers report on overcrowding on trains. Corbyn explained what happened. The seats he passed were reserved.

Anyway it was wrong of Virgin to release CTV footage without a person's permission. 

He was at a press conference to answer questions on the NHS and the press/media hounded him about this rubbish.

Interestingly while all the papers were concerning themselves about this non-story, Theresa May announced the abolishing of the HRA. Which was missed by most of the press. Very convenient. Lucky that some online publications are around to let the public know about the important issues..

I don't know why I'm bothering and it's like arguing with a religious cult but I'll do it anyway.

 

1) He clearly walks past unreserved empty seats here (to the right of him) -

 

2) It may have been wrong for them for Virgin to release them, I don't know the legalities, I can certainly understand why they did though given the leader of the opposition had just told blatent lies into a camera slandering their company.

 

3) The Tories were elected last year and the manifesto said we were replacing the HRA with a British bill of Rights, as for the press missing it, well it was covered in the Independent, Telegraph, Times, Forbes, Mail, Metro, Guardian, Mirror, Sun, BBC and Sky.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/scrap-human-rights-act-british-bill-of-rights-theresa-may-justice-secretary-liz-truss-a7204256.html

 

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/702652/human-rights-act-british-bill-of-rights

 

http://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/?toURL=http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2016/08/23/misunderstanding-brexit-scrapping-the-human-rights-act-for-a-british-bill-of-rights/&refURL=https://www.google.co.uk/&referrer=https://www.google.co.uk/

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3753290/Human-Rights-Act-scrapped-replaced-British-Bill-Rights-says-Justice-Secretary-Liz-Truss.html

 

http://metro.co.uk/2016/08/23/human-rights-act-will-be-scrapped-justice-secretary-insists-6084768/

 

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2016/aug/22/uk-bill-of-rights-will-not-be-scrapped-says-liz-truss

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/michael-gove-human-rights-act-5673754

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1653241/british-bill-of-rights-will-replace-the-human-rights-act-despite-rumours-of-a-u-turn-says-new-justice-secretary/

 

http://news.sky.com/story/may-stay-in-eu-leave-human-rights-convention-10257793

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-34331682

 

But yeah apart from that the Mainstream media just missed it.

[Guest MattP]

5 minutes ago, cityfanlee23 said:

This exactly. 

The main stream media have the electorate in their pockets, 

the winner of the election will be whoever the MSM say it should be, 

the electorate are too stupid to think for themselves or know the truth about what's going on. 

 

As I said, if only people were so passionate about the big decisions as they are about a train seat we would have a much better country.

What about elections where the mainstream media are split?

[Guest MattP]

I've seen some damascian political conversions in my time but Thatcherite to Rincewind within a couple of years is pretty impressive.

[cityfanlee23]

3 minutes ago, MattP said:

What about elections where the mainstream media are split?

.... They aren't. One minute they make a claim to back someone the next day they attack them, it's ridiculous. 

 

Matt you're lost in afraid, completely lost.

 

 

[cityfanlee23]

I wonder if newspapers will be posting the story about HRA in 3 weeks time chastising the decision? 

Maybe they will outline every policy of the new act replacing it to inform everyone? 

I wonder if the newspaper will give their full detailed opinion on the subject as they do over every decision Corbyn wants to make? 

 

Or will they do what I'd posted earlier, mention it once and forget about it, sweeping it under the carpet until it's been done?

[Guest MattP]

1 minute ago, cityfanlee23 said:

.... They aren't. One minute they make a claim to back someone the next day they attack them, it's ridiculous. 

 

Matt you're lost in afraid, completely lost.

 

 

So no answer to the question then (despite there being numerous elections when this has happened, including two in the last year) just more allegations of closed eyes, being lost and how we can't see what you can all see with the great leader.

 

Nothing like a religious sect at all is it?

[cityfanlee23]

3 minutes ago, MattP said:

So no answer to the question then (despite there being numerous elections when this has happened, including two in the last year) just more allegations of closed eyes, being lost and how we can't see what you can all see with the great leader.

 

Nothing like a religious sect at all is it?

 

I answered your question.... The MSM  consistently posted bad press about Labour under milliband and what it would be like, it was a barrage of abuse. 

 

you have got closed eyes, it's that simple. 

Are you implying I'm a corbynite? 

Im not even a Labour member, I just find it laughable how desperate the media are to attack the man because he threatens the establishment. 

 

Its a big circle of bullshit, 

simple things like the policy I mentioned earlier, the papers say PQE is inflationary and would turn is into Venezuela because you can't simple "create money from nothing" 

 

then all the idiots suck it up like gospel and go out spouting all this garbage about Venezuela, when they fail to see that 97% of the entire money supply comes from thin air.

 

the end result is the media have successfully kept a system going that allows private banks to destroy the economy for their own profits, creating money willy nilly to profit from the market bubbles and interest they create. 

 

Yet god god forbid someone wants to create money and lend it to small business and areas of the economy in recession and its Venezuela? 

 

The MSM have everyone by the balls.

 

as I said, for 2 weeks they have been going on about a train seat, let's see how much they go on about HRA between now and when it's implemented.