BenTheFox Posted 27 December 2016 Posted 27 December 2016 Anyone else reading FoxesTalk with a bottle of bleach this evening?
funkyrobot Posted 27 December 2016 Author Posted 27 December 2016 9 minutes ago, Struwwelpeter60 said: Mendy played at Porto. Musa played at Porto. Both were poor. Yes I know. That's the whole point of this thread!
Struwwelpeter60 Posted 27 December 2016 Posted 27 December 2016 3 minutes ago, funkyrobot said: Yes I know. That's the whole point of this thread! For me, the all important question is: who, in this club, has the last say in transfers? Whoever it is. He/she is for a good part responsible for the misery we are in.
BenTheFox Posted 27 December 2016 Posted 27 December 2016 4 minutes ago, Struwwelpeter60 said: For me, the all important question is: who, in this club, has the last say in transfers? Whoever it is. He/she is for a good part responsible for the misery we are in. It's just so difficult to comprehend that we could make six summer signings and none of them have impressed. Especially considering the recruitment over the past few seasons has been decent.
Struwwelpeter60 Posted 27 December 2016 Posted 27 December 2016 2 minutes ago, BenTheFox said: It's just so difficult to comprehend that we could make six summer signings and none of them have impressed. Especially considering the recruitment over the past few seasons has been decent. I think, part of the problem this summer was, that Vardy, and especially Mahrez, needed a lot of time, to make up their mind . Therefore the people at the club didn't know for sure how to proceed. I mean, if both had left, there would have been about 60m more to spend for new players. In other words: at a crucial point in the transfer window, our management was in limbo. They didn't know, what type of players would be needed and how much money would be available. If we had known, early on, that Vardy and Mahrez would stay, we could have concentrated our efforts on defenders and midfielders.
Melbourne Fuchs Posted 27 December 2016 Posted 27 December 2016 2 hours ago, Ricey said: Criminal that we seemingly didn't go for Gana Gueye. 2 hours ago, TJB-fox said: Might possibly have done if Walsh stayed I honestly think that's one of the biggest reasons Walsh left, he clearly wanted Gueye but just as Ranieri wasn't keen on Kanté at first he wasn't sold on Gueye either. Walsh probably wanted to go someone he wasn't going to get overruled. Now he has brought Gueye to Everton where he's been called 'this season's Kanté'.
Donut Posted 27 December 2016 Posted 27 December 2016 2 minutes ago, Melbourne Fuchs said: I honestly think that's one of the biggest reasons Walsh left, he clearly wanted Gueye but just as Ranieri wasn't keen on Kanté at first he wasn't sold on Gueye either. Walsh probably wanted to go someone he wasn't going to get overruled. Now he has brought Gueye to Everton where he's been called 'this season's Kanté'. Gueye is this seasons Kante? whos calling him that?
Melbourne Fuchs Posted 27 December 2016 Posted 27 December 2016 3 hours ago, Donut said: Gueye is this seasons Kante? whos calling him that? https://www.google.com.au/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/09/23/everton-midfileder-idrissa-gueye-can-be-this-seasons-ngolo-kante/amp/?client=safari Koeman, apparently
Sly Posted 27 December 2016 Posted 27 December 2016 Kante is this seasons Kante Chelsea look brilliant. As for our recruitment, I could have splashed £70,000,000 and found us 6 better players I believe! That aside, I think fundamentally with all the upheaval over the summer, it indicates we had no contingency/ succession plan. I believe they thought Vardy would go, therefore Musa is the direct replacement. Likewise Mindy for Kante. Neither have adjusted to life in this league. I'be touched on it before but I believe Slimani could be actually having a negative impact on the team with his attitude on the pitch. Might not be the case but it's a case of "say what you see". I wonder is this is also impacting Mahrez as they seem fairly close off the field? Kaputska isn't ready apparently ...... and Amartey was?!? Improving now but it takes time. Hernandez is no better or worse than the rest of our ageing defence. It all needs ripping apart and rebuilding, the next issue we'll have is them playing as a co-hesive unit. Zeiler has made some decent saves. People forget about that. He's a shot stopper though and doesn't want the ball at his feet. As a backup I can't complain.
crazyleicester Posted 27 December 2016 Posted 27 December 2016 9 hours ago, funkyrobot said: Zieler hasn't saved us any points, Mendy has been fit for weeks but doesn't get any game time. Musa was overlooked for the Vardy role today and wasn't even brought on later so can't be impressing Ranieri. Slimani isn't showing himself as a £30 million player. I would expect him to be able to create some chances on his own. If he's that limited in technique and movement that he'll only score or contribute when he's given a specific type of service then he's less effective than Ulloa and doesn't improve our team. If the style of play of our new outfield players isn't suited to how we play then why did we sign them? I do hope they do step up but as it stands they haven't made us a better team. You have quite a naive way of looking at things fella. You started this thread, listed our new signings and telling us why they have failed. However, new signings can take time to adapt to life in England, especially when you uproot and turn up here and have to think about schools for kids or keeping the missus happy. Whilst I agree 4 months in none of them have set the world alight, Id say hold fire on your judgement. Even English lads who came to our club in recent times didnt pull out any trees. Danny Drinkwater wasnt even played by NP at times and Vardy was on the brink of being punted out. All I am saying is before we string up the new players and put them in the dustbin, Id look a little closer to home and point the finger at those players who all got new contracts, BMWs and saw there profiles raised to god status by us. They have all let us down. When new signings turn up in a winning performing team things are easier but our lot have looked shite since pre-season and the newbies havent adjusted as hoped. Moving on, I am hopefully of Kapustka because of his age. Zieler us better than Schwarter so thats a step up, Mendy had a real bad injury and is being eased back in, Slimani has played well at times but Im not convinced we are getting the best of him due to our lack of creativity and Hernandez hasnt done much and looked very average in his time here. Musa arrived as a record signing and then another big signing striker arrived and he couldnt get a start. We had a glimpse of what he can do over a few games when he scored a couple of goals but again he has gone from bench to Albrightons possie, bench to Okazakis possie and the odd game in Vardys posotion. All in all selection has been a bit of a mess. Whilst I agree none have set the world alight, I wouldnt put them in the dustbin quite yet and more importantly, we need last seasons lot to lead by example by way of performance and they are not doing that.
Raj Posted 27 December 2016 Posted 27 December 2016 Yesterday proved we lack in Quality in our squad when players come in who would struggle to get into most top teams starting line up. Chilwell was exception to the rule but if you have to draft Big Was into your defence against a striker like lukaku you know your in the shit.
Gazza M Posted 27 December 2016 Posted 27 December 2016 An absolute mess of summer recruitment. I think worse than Peter Taylor. Remember he didn't have the pulling power of C/L football and league champions. God this club always gets it wrong when we are in a position of strength! We have a non football man as our director of football. If that was the position Walsh wanted then why not sack off Rudkin? The manager doesn't get much credit either for me. As the weeks go on, the less faith I have in his ability. I fear what is gonna happen with recruitment now. If it was me I would look at some home grown/premier league players whilst we still have that C/L carrot to dangle. Just some possibilities below: CB: Keane (just pay gravel mouth what he wants) RB: Trippier (would come to play each week) CM: Adam (Experienced and can still pass a football) Winger: Snodgrass (a step up from our shite delivery) ST: Big Troy (We are bigger than Watford and always will be.) To counter balance, get rid: Rudkin - director of a local supermarket Hernandez - Can't better Simpson or Wasyl Wasyl - Head bouncer at local night club Schlupp - Seems to want to leave. Kaputska- loan out Marhez - heart not in it. Cash in now why we can. Ulloa - Excellent service to club, but not good enough or fit enough for week in week out.
Rigga Posted 27 December 2016 Posted 27 December 2016 I have commented already on another thread that yesterday's starting line up was the worst PL LCFC team I have seen. Only Gray on paper had any attacking quality. it was a team full of apparent workhorses, a £40m strike force that just run around, no quality, no end product! Midfield in Amartey, King and Albrighton..Just workers.. Missed a massive opportunity in the summer for the likes of Nzonzi, Silva, Sigurdsson, Mata etc. £70m wasted on trash players
Cadno'r Cymoedd Posted 27 December 2016 Posted 27 December 2016 Who out of the new signings, with the possible exception of Slimani, has had an extended run of games? If you were headhunted at work to join another firm and then asked only to show up on one day in five to help turn the company round when everyone else around you was shite, you were unfamilar with the company and uncertain what the strategy was, and then slagged off for being poor, you'd be pissed off. Oh... And don't give me the training malarkey either. Games are different.
char123 Posted 27 December 2016 Posted 27 December 2016 You have quite a naive way of looking at things fella. You started this thread, listed our new signings and telling us why they have failed. However, new signings can take time to adapt to life in England, especially when you uproot and turn up here and have to think about schools for kids or keeping the missus happy. Whilst I agree 4 months in none of them have set the world alight, Id say hold fire on your judgement. Even English lads who came to our club in recent times didnt pull out any trees. Danny Drinkwater wasnt even played by NP at times and Vardy was on the brink of being punted out. All I am saying is before we string up the new players and put them in the dustbin, Id look a little closer to home and point the finger at those players who all got new contracts, BMWs and saw there profiles raised to god status by us. They have all let us down. When new signings turn up in a winning performing team things are easier but our lot have looked shite since pre-season and the newbies havent adjusted as hoped. Moving on, I am hopefully of Kapustka because of his age. Zieler us better than Schwarter so thats a step up, Mendy had a real bad injury and is being eased back in, Slimani has played well at times but Im not convinced we are getting the best of him due to our lack of creativity and Hernandez hasnt done much and looked very average in his time here. Musa arrived as a record signing and then another big signing striker arrived and he couldnt get a start. We had a glimpse of what he can do over a few games when he scored a couple of goals but again he has gone from bench to Albrightons possie, bench to Okazakis possie and the odd game in Vardys posotion. All in all selection has been a bit of a mess. Whilst I agree none have set the world alight, I wouldnt put them in the dustbin quite yet and more importantly, we need last seasons lot to lead by example by way of performance and they are not doing that.agree with most points but do you honestly think we will ever see kaputska in a city shirt in anger because i certsinly dont. kramaric springs to mindSent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk
noodles Posted 27 December 2016 Posted 27 December 2016 27 minutes ago, Gazza M said: An absolute mess of summer recruitment. I think worse than Peter Taylor. Remember he didn't have the pulling power of C/L football and league champions. God this club always gets it wrong when we are in a position of strength! We have a non football man as our director of football. If that was the position Walsh wanted then why not sack off Rudkin? The manager doesn't get much credit either for me. As the weeks go on, the less faith I have in his ability. I fear what is gonna happen with recruitment now. If it was me I would look at some home grown/premier league players whilst we still have that C/L carrot to dangle. Just some possibilities below: CB: Keane (just pay gravel mouth what he wants) RB: Trippier (would come to play each week) CM: Adam (Experienced and can still pass a football) Winger: Snodgrass (a step up from our shite delivery) ST: Big Troy (We are bigger than Watford and always will be.) keane, burnley wouldnt sell as in a relegation battle with us trippier, spurs wont sell unless we offer silly money adam maybe would come but he is shite snodgrass, hull wont sell until they are officially relegated deeney, we already tried to get him and failed,
funkyrobot Posted 27 December 2016 Author Posted 27 December 2016 40 minutes ago, crazyleicester said: You have quite a naive way of looking at things fella. You started this thread, listed our new signings and telling us why they have failed. However, new signings can take time to adapt to life in England, especially when you uproot and turn up here and have to think about schools for kids or keeping the missus happy. Whilst I agree 4 months in none of them have set the world alight, Id say hold fire on your judgement. Even English lads who came to our club in recent times didnt pull out any trees. Danny Drinkwater wasnt even played by NP at times and Vardy was on the brink of being punted out. All I am saying is before we string up the new players and put them in the dustbin, Id look a little closer to home and point the finger at those players who all got new contracts, BMWs and saw there profiles raised to god status by us. They have all let us down. When new signings turn up in a winning performing team things are easier but our lot have looked shite since pre-season and the newbies havent adjusted as hoped. Moving on, I am hopefully of Kapustka because of his age. Zieler us better than Schwarter so thats a step up, Mendy had a real bad injury and is being eased back in, Slimani has played well at times but Im not convinced we are getting the best of him due to our lack of creativity and Hernandez hasnt done much and looked very average in his time here. Musa arrived as a record signing and then another big signing striker arrived and he couldnt get a start. We had a glimpse of what he can do over a few games when he scored a couple of goals but again he has gone from bench to Albrightons possie, bench to Okazakis possie and the odd game in Vardys posotion. All in all selection has been a bit of a mess. Whilst I agree none have set the world alight, I wouldnt put them in the dustbin quite yet and more importantly, we need last seasons lot to lead by example by way of performance and they are not doing that. If me stating that all of the new signings have up until now been failures means I'm naive then so be it. I guess there'll be quite a few naive people out there then. I've not written them off, or put them in a dustbin. I've just pointed out that not one of them has yet stepped up to the plate. Be that because they are off form, played out of position or simply not played - it's the recruitment process that I've questioned. As it stands our summer recruitment hasn't worked. That will hopefully change but after a good stretch of time, for not one to look like an improvement to what we've got is frustrating to say the least. If the 1st teamers are poor or not playing well, then you'd expect the new guys to come in. That hasn't happened with Hernandez, Mendy, Kaputska or Musa. Claudio doesn't appear to trust them yet. The only one he does rely on (Slimmo) is currently making Ulloa look better than he probably is by paling into comparison dealing with the same level of service from our team.
funkyrobot Posted 27 December 2016 Author Posted 27 December 2016 10 hours ago, ZeGuy said: If it was Zieler, you can bet your life on FT posters blaming him for not stopping those shots. In short and for the same game: Kasper 7/10 Nothing he could do on both goals (which is true). Zieler: 1/10 Appalling. Shite goalkeeper. How the fvck did he let those two weak shots go in? Where's Kasper? WHERE'S KASPER? That's because we've seen Kasper make worldie saves and save us points time and time again. We trust that when the ball goes in, 9 times out of ten he couldn't do anything about it. I reiterate that Zieler has not saved one single point for us in his appearances to date. All of the saves he has made would be ones he would be expected to make. Virtually all shots on target that might be deemed as good saves for Zieler had he saved them, have resulted in goals. Statistically he's got one of the worst save to shot ratios in the premier league.
Gazza M Posted 27 December 2016 Posted 27 December 2016 10 minutes ago, noodles said: keane, burnley wouldnt sell as in a relegation battle with us trippier, spurs wont sell unless we offer silly money adam maybe would come but he is shite snodgrass, hull wont sell until they are officially relegated deeney, we already tried to get him and failed, Keane - unsettle with early bid. Make player ask for transfer. 25m should do it. Who the F**k wants to stay at Burnley?! Trippier - pay the fee. 20m should do it. He has stagnated behind Walker and will want to play. Adam - Yes, not long term solution, but has leadership qualities required for a battle ot two. Hopefully Ndidi and Mendy will be good, but would be a good edition.3-4m will do the trick. Snodgrass - Out of contract in summer. 15m, Hull will panic. Deeney- 30m will do it. Get the bid in early. Going the other way should get 40-50m in on Marhez, Schlupp and Ulloa combined. Plus didn't we just pick up a load of dosh on our C/L group stage qualification?!! This is the state of the transfer market today. The fees are overinflated I know. But it's the same for everyone. If we don't act, someone else will. Let's start thinking like Premier champions instead of Forest and Derby, otherwise we will soon be playing them again.
Tielemans63 Posted 27 December 2016 Posted 27 December 2016 The signings don't look too clever right now but they're not exactly being helped by playing in the same failing system week after week. They're being hung out to dry right now as is the rest of the team. It's difficult to know if it's poor recruitment forcing us to stick to 442 or whether it's 442 making the recruitment look sub-standard. Until Claudio gets his head out of his arse and tries a different approach, these lads are going to continue to sink. Who gives a shit if the players want to stick with 442, it ain't working so change it. Who knows? Hernandez might look much more comfortable as one of 3 CBs, Mendy might excel just behind 2 more advanced central midfielders or Musa might be more effective in a 433. You just don't know until you try something different. What is plain as day is that 442 is not working in any way shape or form.
BenTheFox Posted 27 December 2016 Posted 27 December 2016 We'd have been much better off signing 3 or 4 players of genuine quality. A backup goalkeeper, a central defender, a quality centre mid and a forward. We went from having a really balanced squad to one that looks very unbalanced.
Beliall Posted 27 December 2016 Posted 27 December 2016 John Rudkin needs sacking. the buck stops with him as far as recruitment goes. We needed solid, premier league players brought in, not experiments
char123 Posted 27 December 2016 Posted 27 December 2016 keane, burnley wouldnt sell as in a relegation battle with us trippier, spurs wont sell unless we offer silly money adam maybe would come but he is shite snodgrass, hull wont sell until they are officially relegated deeney, we already tried to get him and failed, id like to see us make a bid for schneiderlinSent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk
BenTheFox Posted 27 December 2016 Posted 27 December 2016 1 hour ago, Barky said: Everyone's an expert in hindsight Probably a fair comment. Though I expressed my concerns that we hadn't signed a central midfielder and another defensive option at the time. I think a lot of people could see that, in fairness. There's no guarantees with any transfers, but there were clearly a couple of gaps in the squad that we had the opportunity to address.
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