General Election, June 8th

[Foxxed]

The FT seem set on the idea May wants Tory reinforcements of unknown loyalty to fight the hard brexit lobby now she's seen economic sense.

 

The SNP, however, are taking Dennis Skinner's line that May fears an election fraud investigation majority obliteration so she's striking while the iron is yet to be engraved with the word 'fraud'.

 

If Skinner and Sturgeon are right then May has made a monumental mistake. Providing we find out about the investigation before the election, that is.

 

If voters feel they've been asked to vote again for a party because that party knows they fraudulently won the last election, without being honest about it, then... then... That may backfire... I wonder if Cameron is again mouthing the words 'how stupid can you get?'

 

That said, if May can bank the votes before the investigation she's home and dry for at least five years.

[Guest MattP]

19 minutes ago, Strokes said:

Still a long way to go and polls are not always accurate. I think May has to resist engaging currently, as Labour and Dems putting themselves in the spotlight is clearly only helping her cause.

The shy Tory voters now appear to be long gone, no one is now bothered about telling the TV cameras etc that they are voting Conservative, a lot of traditional Labour voters might still put that tick in the box but are ashamed to admit in public they are voting for a man like Jeremy Corbyn.

 

I actually think you can drop a couple of points off the Tory vote this time and add them to Labour, rather than the other way around as usual.

[Webbo]

26 minutes ago, Foxxed said:

The FT seem set on the idea May wants Tory reinforcements of unknown loyalty to fight the hard brexit lobby now she's seen economic sense.

 

The SNP, however, are taking Dennis Skinner's line that May fears an election fraud investigation majority obliteration so she's striking while the iron is yet to be engraved with the word 'fraud'.

 

If Skinner and Sturgeon are right then May has made a monumental mistake. Providing we find out about the investigation before the election, that is.

 

If voters feel they've been asked to vote again for a party because that party knows they fraudulently won the last election, without being honest about it, then... then... That may backfire... I wonder if Cameron is again mouthing the words 'how stupid can you get?'

 

That said, if May can bank the votes before the investigation she's home and dry for at least five years.

Skinner and Sturgeon think the worse of the conservatives, that's a surprise.

 

I'm sure the investigation was part of the thinking, the same as the reasons she's given plus the massive poll lead. Do you believe if all 30 of those seats were forced to have by elections that all those people would vote the conservatives out?

[Guest MattP]

1 minute ago, Webbo said:

Skinner and Sturgeon think the worse of the conservatives, that's a surprise.

 

I'm sure the investigation was part of the thinking the same the reasons she's given plus the massive poll lead. Do you believe if all 30 of those seats were forced to have by elections that all those people would vote the conservatives out?

They would probably all return even larger Conservative majorities given that UKIP came second in almost every single one of the ones we know to be being investigated.

 

Standing up and shouting about it in the house just gave Denis Skinner the excuse he desperately needed to then go and vote against the election (he was one of only 13 to do so) to try and save his mate Jezza from a drubbing, not to mention he'll be thinking about his own credibility for claiming for the last thirty years the public are gagging to vote for a Labour party that represents what it now does.

[Buce]

44 minutes ago, Emilio Lestavez said:

I'm assuming the Daily Mail don't have the same policy? 

 

I don't think we'll ever see the Mail and community standards in the same sentence..

[Buce]

50 minutes ago, Foxxed said:

The FT seem set on the idea May wants Tory reinforcements of unknown loyalty to fight the hard brexit lobby now she's seen economic sense.

 

The SNP, however, are taking Dennis Skinner's line that May fears an election fraud investigation majority obliteration so she's striking while the iron is yet to be engraved with the word 'fraud'.

 

If Skinner and Sturgeon are right then May has made a monumental mistake. Providing we find out about the investigation before the election, that is.

 

If voters feel they've been asked to vote again for a party because that party knows they fraudulently won the last election, without being honest about it, then... then... That may backfire... I wonder if Cameron is again mouthing the words 'how stupid can you get?'

 

That said, if May can bank the votes before the investigation she's home and dry for at least five years.

 

 

Call me a cynic but that's about as likely as Dangerous Tiger joining the Socialist Workers Party.

[Foxxed]

2 hours ago, Webbo said:

Skinner and Sturgeon think the worse of the conservatives, that's a surprise.

 

I'm sure the investigation was part of the thinking, the same as the reasons she's given plus the massive poll lead. Do you believe if all 30 of those seats were forced to have by elections that all those people would vote the conservatives out?

 

A lot of those seats are in the south west. And they are marginal Tory-Lib seats. And since the Libs have not so much retained credibility but not hemorrhaged credibility it would probably worry the Tories.

 

If she's banking seats before the voters fully realise the rate of fraud it may backfire. But everyone will have probably forgotten in five years. Or have other things on their mind.

 

Buce's probably right. She's called a snap election because she knows the voters won't know about the fraud until after they've voted for her.

[Rincewind]

Poll which one the Mail (Sun et al)  has a choice of two headlines

 

1) Corbyn Supports ISIS

2) Investigation imminent into fraud by senior Tory MP's

 

Which one will they go with?.

 

This could end up as a rhetorical question.

 

2 hours ago, Buce said:

 

 

Call me a cynic but that's about as likely as Dangerous Tiger joining the Socialist Workers Party.

 

[Webbo]

Lets get this straight about this "fraud" it's to do with the cost of bussing and putting up in hotels, party activists to campaign. The tories claimed it should be counted in national spending, the electoral commission say it should be counted in local spending.

 

It's not stealing any votes, it's not bribing officials. It's an accounting irregularity which Labour has also been fined for. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/25/labour-fined-20000-for-undeclared-election-spending-including-for-ed-stone

 

Now I'm not claiming it's right but it's not the sort of scandal that'll bring down a govt.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

7 minutes ago, Webbo said:

Lets get this straight about this "fraud" it's to do with the cost of bussing and putting up in hotels, party activists to campaign. The tories claimed it should be counted in national spending, the electoral commission say it should be counted in local spending.

 

It's not stealing any votes, it's not bribing officials. It's an accounting irregularity which Labour has also been fined for. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/25/labour-fined-20000-for-undeclared-election-spending-including-for-ed-stone

 

Now I'm not claiming it's right but it's not the sort of scandal that'll bring down a govt.

 

and the money was just resting in my account

[DJ Barry Hammond]

[Webbo]

2 minutes ago, DJ Barry Hammond said:

What are you implying? 

[Sharpe's Fox]

Fvcking Webbo getting riled at memes

[Webbo]

9 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said:

Fvcking Webbo getting riled at memes

Not getting riled, just want to know what the accusation is?

[Sharpe's Fox]

2 minutes ago, Webbo said:

Not getting riled, just want to know what the accusation is?

It's a father ted meme ffs

[Webbo]

Just now, Sharpe's Fox said:

It's a father ted meme ffs

Whatever mate.

[Guest]

29 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said:

Fvcking Webbo getting riled at memes

brilliant stuff

[Guest MattP]

As a veteran of the Great Meme War 2016 (21st mobile shitposting division) - ( https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/The_Great_Meme_War ) it is still acknowledged on ALL sides that the left need to seriously up there meme game if they want to start winning elections again.

 

Father Ted might be a start but something like that isn't even going to get you over the line in a council election. An insult to Pepe.

 

 

[Stadt]

wow this is weird 

[Guest MattP]

1 hour ago, Rincewind said:

Poll which one the Mail (Sun et al)  has a choice of two headlines

 

1) Corbyn Supports ISIS

2) Investigation imminent into fraud by senior Tory MP's

 

Which one will they go with?.

1) No one has ever claimed Corbyn supports ISIS.

2) No senior Tories are involved.

3) The Mail on Sunday broke the story about the expenses scandal on the front page late last year.

 

 

[Guest MattP]

1 hour ago, Webbo said:

Lets get this straight about this "fraud" it's to do with the cost of bussing and putting up in hotels, party activists to campaign. The tories claimed it should be counted in national spending, the electoral commission say it should be counted in local spending.

 

It's not stealing any votes, it's not bribing officials. It's an accounting irregularity which Labour has also been fined for. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/25/labour-fined-20000-for-undeclared-election-spending-including-for-ed-stone

 

Now I'm not claiming it's right but it's not the sort of scandal that'll bring down a govt.

"Tory Election Fraud" sounds far better than "Candidate Bus Overspend" so we're just going to have to tolerate it.

 

It's not like it's going to make any difference anyway, state of Corbyn and his cabinet at the minute and people would still vote Tory over Labour if they promised to shut down every hospital in the country in the manifesto for June.

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, MattP said:

"Tory Election Fraud" sounds far better than "Candidate Bus Overspend" so we're just going to have to tolerate it.

 

It's not like it's going to make any difference anyway, state of Corbyn and his cabinet at the minute and people would still vote Tory over Labour if they promised to shut down every hospital in the country in the manifesto for June.

A bit like how 'Coalition Of Chaos' has a nice ring to it?

[Guest MattP]

3 minutes ago, Emilio Lestavez said:

A bit like how 'Coalition Of Chaos' has a nice ring to it?

Of course, it's exactly the same thing.

 

A government containing Labour, the Greens and the SNP led by Jeremy Corbyn and his deputies Caroline Lucas and Nicola Sturgeon should really be called "Coalition of Total Stability".

 

Or maybe the coalition of "unity, stability, socialism and revolution" - USSR for short.

[Sharpe's Fox]

25 minutes ago, MattP said:

As a veteran of the Great Meme War 2016 (21st mobile shitposting division) - ( https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/The_Great_Meme_War ) it is still acknowledged on ALL sides that the left need to seriously up there meme game if they want to start winning elections again.

 

Father Ted might be a start but something like that isn't even going to get you over the line in a council election. An insult to Pepe.

Anymore of that and we know where you'll be off to, comrade

 

[Guest MattP]

Now that's an effort.