Mark_w Posted 20 April 2017 Share Posted 20 April 2017 12 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said: Did more than Theresa May and he didn't even like the EU. He was the leader of the second biggest political party in the country, he was in a much stronger position to influence the outcome than Theresa May was and he did nowhere near enough. Still, got to vote Labour anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpe's Fox Posted 20 April 2017 Share Posted 20 April 2017 9 minutes ago, Mark_w said: He was the leader of the second biggest political party in the country, he was in a much stronger position to influence the outcome than Theresa May was and he did nowhere near enough. Still, got to vote Labour anyway. She was the Home Secretary. That is the second most powerful political office you can achieve in the entire country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 20 April 2017 Share Posted 20 April 2017 41 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said: She was the Home Secretary. That is the second most powerful political office you can achieve in the entire country. Apart from the chancellor and the foreign Secretary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facecloth Posted 20 April 2017 Share Posted 20 April 2017 23 minutes ago, Webbo said: Apart from the chancellor and the foreign Secretary. It's still classed as one the Great Offices of State, so therefore made her one the highest ranking politicians in the U.K. and the point still stands that despite that high office she did **** all during the Brexit debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopfkino Posted 20 April 2017 Share Posted 20 April 2017 2 hours ago, Spiritwalker said: I think Corbyn has had a good start and more of this type of speech might swing me back. I'm still really pissed at the way he didn't turn up for the Brexit debate though. The thing is he hasn't, all he's managed to do is emphasise a lack of leadership and chaos. Fair enough, in his own speech he rehashed Ed Miliband but with a bit more gusto and probably played well to some. He has someone accusing Costa of not paying taxes which is wrong, some were saying they would hold a second referendum, others not though this has since been ruled out. John McDonnell is making completely false claims about tax and the 'rich' and Emily Thornberry is trying to soften this stance. It's just disorganised, even if Corbyn manages to perform adequately, his complete inability to run a political party will show through Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeTheFox Posted 21 April 2017 Share Posted 21 April 2017 All I hear about Corbyn is that he is "unelectable" but I have never heard any reasoning for this. Could someone explain why this is said about him please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted 21 April 2017 Share Posted 21 April 2017 4 hours ago, GeorgeTheFox said: All I hear about Corbyn is that he is "unelectable" but I have never heard any reasoning for this. Could someone explain why this is said about him please? Simply enough he's an uninspiring leader who seems barely able to lead his own party, let alone lead the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpe's Fox Posted 21 April 2017 Share Posted 21 April 2017 8 hours ago, Webbo said: Apart from the chancellor and the foreign Secretary. Someone who has control of every police force, border force and MI5 has a lot more power than the people who run the treasury and the foreign office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 21 April 2017 Share Posted 21 April 2017 2 hours ago, The Doctor said: Simply enough he's an uninspiring leader who seems barely able to lead his own party, let alone lead the country. Which is a tragedy, because he has some excellent policy ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 21 April 2017 Share Posted 21 April 2017 Informed politics in all its glory: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39659304 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 21 April 2017 Share Posted 21 April 2017 5 minutes ago, Thracian said: Informed politics in all its glory: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39659304 Christ alive. How do these people get on the radio, and how did we get in a position where you cannot answer truthfully that you don't know? Honestly, we don't expect everyone to know everything, and it would be perfectly acceptable to answer that there are many areas of focus for an MP, and the question is not one of yours, but you would be more than happy to find out and come back to them. Our media has a lot to answer for in creating this environment where bullshitting is more acceptable than saying you don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 21 April 2017 Share Posted 21 April 2017 49 minutes ago, Buce said: Which is a tragedy, because he has some excellent policy ideas. I think he has some good instincts, but I couldn't honestly say he has come out with a concrete policy I have agreed with. I find all the crap about the 1% a turn off, because there is no tax money to be had there. In this globalized world it can move offshore if we are not an attractive place to do business, and a man that doesn't get that has no place running the country. I share his distrust of the EU though We should expect, no demand that anyone who expects to be a candidate to lead our country has the full package should we not? Conviction, ideas to appeal to the majority, and the credibility so we can believe the would be implemented well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 21 April 2017 Share Posted 21 April 2017 6 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: I think he has some good instincts, but I couldn't honestly say he has come out with a concrete policy I have agreed with. No surprises there, Jon. 6 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: We should expect, no demand that anyone who expects to be a candidate to lead our country has the full package should we not? Conviction, ideas to appeal to the majority, and the credibility so we can believe the would be implemented well. Which was my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 21 April 2017 Share Posted 21 April 2017 18 hours ago, Buce said: This reminds me why I supported Corbyn for leader: “Much of the media and establishment are saying that this election is a foregone conclusion,” he said. “They think there are rules in politics, which if you don’t follow by doffing your cap to powerful people, accepting that things can’t really change, then you can’t win. “But of course, they do not want us to win. Because when we win it is the people, not the powerful, who win. The nurse, the teacher, the small trader, the carer, the builder, the office worker, the student, the carer win. We all win. “It is the establishment that complains I don’t play the rules – by which they mean their rules. We can’t win, they say, because we don’t play their game.” A political system based around “yesterday’s rules” favoured the wealthy, Corbyn argued. He said: “It is these rules that have allowed a cosy cartel to rig the system in favour of a few powerful and wealthy individuals and corporations. “It is a rigged system set up by the wealth extractors, for the wealth extractors. But things can, and they will, change. “If I were Southern rail or Philip Green, I’d be worried about a Labour government. If I were Mike Ashley or the CEO of a tax-avoiding multinational corporation, I’d want to see a Tory victory. “Why? Because those are the people who are monopolising the wealth that should be shared by each and every one of us in this country. “Everyone, and I mean everyone, has a contribution to make and a life to lead. Poverty and homelessness are a disaster for the individual and a loss to all of us. It is wealth that should belong to the majority and not a tiny minority.” Who are "the people" Corbyn arrogantly pretends he represents? He certainly doesn't represent me. So who are these collective allies? I don't want to hear meaningless soundbites I want to hear policies, logical reasons for them and to see that a party has the intelligent thinkers, organisers, grafters and communicators to represent those policies. Furthermore I want a government for all of our citizens not the divisive diatribe that seems to be the anthem of the Labour party. And why should wealth "belong" in the manner you describe? Please explain. What you've said so far tells me of nothing but the desire for the kind of envy-driven class war Labour's wanted to stir up for decades and which has been rejected time and again by those who, by working hard for their ends, have found this country a pretty rewarding place to live. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 21 April 2017 Share Posted 21 April 2017 8 minutes ago, Buce said: No surprises there, Jon. Which was my point. I tell a lie, he has a policy of integrating the NHS and Social care, and that is a good policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted 21 April 2017 Share Posted 21 April 2017 41 minutes ago, Thracian said: Informed politics in all its glory: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39659304 Well im just sick of the bbc right wing bias showing up Labour in such a bad light all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMX11 Posted 21 April 2017 Share Posted 21 April 2017 1 hour ago, Buce said: Which is a tragedy, because he has some excellent policy ideas. They are mostly old failed policy ideas. Which will bring about additional problems which he will blame on something other than his policies and the cycle continues. Then again that is mostly the same with May as well haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guvnor Posted 21 April 2017 Share Posted 21 April 2017 8 hours ago, GeorgeTheFox said: All I hear about Corbyn is that he is "unelectable" but I have never heard any reasoning for this. Could someone explain why this is said about him please? Because he stands for 'old' Socialist values' which was fine when every Labour voter had cloth caps and whippets but I cannot see those ideals being attractive to anyone but hard core Socialists and his party realise that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surrifox Posted 21 April 2017 Share Posted 21 April 2017 1 hour ago, Thracian said: Informed politics in all its glory: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39659304 never heard of her before - and to be quite honest I preferred it that way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 21 April 2017 Share Posted 21 April 2017 1 hour ago, surrifox said: never heard of her before - and to be quite honest I preferred it that way Party politics aside, it's sad to see that sort of representation of any political group. And frightening to imagine they might play a part in leading our country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpe's Fox Posted 21 April 2017 Share Posted 21 April 2017 Theresa May isn't even taking questions from journalists anymore. https://politicalscrapbook.net/2017/04/theresa-may-isnt-just-running-away-from-tv-debates-now-shes-running-away-from-journalists/ Can't believe such a lightweight got that job. David Davis should have had another swing at the leadership Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMX11 Posted 21 April 2017 Share Posted 21 April 2017 Just now, Sharpe's Fox said: Theresa May isn't even taking questions from journalists anymore. https://politicalscrapbook.net/2017/04/theresa-may-isnt-just-running-away-from-tv-debates-now-shes-running-away-from-journalists/ Can't believe such a lightweight got that job. David Davis should have had another swing at the leadership This is why I cannot vote for her, she is devoid of any philosophical underpinning or principles and therefore can only read off a script. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 21 April 2017 Share Posted 21 April 2017 2 minutes ago, SMX11 said: This is why I cannot vote for her, she is devoid of any philosophical underpinning or principles and therefore can only read off a script. Do you mean she chooses to think before she speaks? There's a lot might benefit from that policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted 21 April 2017 Share Posted 21 April 2017 Just now, Thracian said: Do you mean she chooses to think before she speaks? There's a lot might benefit from that policy. You included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpe's Fox Posted 21 April 2017 Share Posted 21 April 2017 13 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said: You included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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