Nick Posted 12 June 2017 Posted 12 June 2017 Just now, MattP said: People like Farron, the reason he refused to budge on things like tuition fees is because he said the Liberal Democrats won't be a party who promise things they know they can't afford. Sorry that was a joke - my attempt at humour....
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 12 June 2017 Posted 12 June 2017 19 minutes ago, MattP said: If you are right wing you vote Tory, if you are left and you get into the bed with the right you get destroyed, just look at what happened to Nick Clegg, they wouldn't admit it but Labour's only real alternative is the Liberals anyway, they would destroy their own credibility if they seriously tried to form a government with a party like the Greens or Plaid at Westminster - t's easy to be nice to everyone and say you'll spend money you haven't got on everything like those parties do when they know they are never going to have to be in charge of a budget, Labour and the Conservatives are a party of government. Although my guess is you'll see the Tories loosen the purse strings now anyway, no guilt in leaving the young facing a huge bill if they are going to vote for Corbyn en masse, if it looks like they are going to lose they aren't going to leave Labout in a position where they can come in and splurge either, let's see how good a job they'll do when they have to implement cuts as well. Government produces a Queen's speech, it either gets voted through or voted down - providing they get the DUP support it goes through. People said the same about the Conservative and Liberal coaition, it lasted five years, one thing we all should learn is to be very humble with out political predictions after the last few years. But why does anyone else have a mandate to be in the Brexit talks? People overwhelmingly rejected the Greens, Lib Dems and SNP whose approach to Brexit id far different than Labour and the Tories who got nearly 85% of the vote. Another General Election isn't going to happen, we were being told 6 weeks ago people were sick of this, you can't just say let's have another one because we might be able to kick the Tories out in the next one. I meant another election in 2 years once Brexit has happened and we know exactly where we are. There's a mandate because the original referendum was pretty evenly split so all sides need to be represented. I take your point on the last coalition, however, the Libs had none of the baggage that comes with the DUP.
Guest Kopfkino Posted 12 June 2017 Posted 12 June 2017 May will have pissed the Queen off now by delaying the speech a few days. The reason it was on Monday was so she could still go to Ascot
Guest Posted 12 June 2017 Posted 12 June 2017 2 minutes ago, MattP said: This makes no sense at all, if the Tories backslide on immigration, eu courts and human rights then we may as well just stay in he single market, what would be the point of leaving it? Got a link to that from Davis as he didn't say that this morning, watching the Daily Poltiics now is strange, you have the Tories putting across a softer Brexit than Labour. David Davis says Brexit talks may not start as planned next Monday. Davis also hinted that the government now accepts that talks on how much the UK will have to pay the EU as it leaves will have to take place before the two sides start negotiating a trade deal. Until now the government has been saying that both aspects should be negotiated in parallel. The EU is saying that it wants to start with the preliminary issues, including money, and that it only wants to move on to the trade aspects when significant progress has been made. Asked if the UK now accepted the EU timetable, Davis said: What we have said is we will start down this process. But I will have some discussions with [Michel] Barnier [the EU’s chief Brexit negotiator] about how we progress to the wider thing, of the trade area. The most important thing in the aggregate is the trade area. Re brexit - mps don't want to do it and business doesn't want to do it so my guess is they'll get out as little as possible and try to claim either that its a much bigger break than it really is or blame the eu that it isn't.
Nick Posted 12 June 2017 Posted 12 June 2017 3 minutes ago, KingGTF said: May will have pissed the Queen off now by delaying the speech a few days. The reason it was on Monday was so she could still go to Ascot So May is too busy with Brexit to do a debate but has time to go to Ascot when the country is in limbo and she's opting to get into bed with a bunch of Trumps? Or do you mean the Queen!
Guest Posted 12 June 2017 Posted 12 June 2017 Just now, Swan Lesta said: So May is too busy with Brexit to do a debate but has time to go to Ascot when the country is in limbo and she's opting to get into bed with a bunch of Trumps? I think he meant the queen
Nick Posted 12 June 2017 Posted 12 June 2017 Just now, toddybad said: I think he meant the queen Ha yeah - i didn't get the edit in before you posted!
Guest MattP Posted 12 June 2017 Posted 12 June 2017 3 minutes ago, toddybad said: David Davis says Brexit talks may not start as planned next Monday. Davis also hinted that the government now accepts that talks on how much the UK will have to pay the EU as it leaves will have to take place before the two sides start negotiating a trade deal. Until now the government has been saying that both aspects should be negotiated in parallel. The EU is saying that it wants to start with the preliminary issues, including money, and that it only wants to move on to the trade aspects when significant progress has been made. Asked if the UK now accepted the EU timetable, Davis said: What we have said is we will start down this process. But I will have some discussions with [Michel] Barnier [the EU’s chief Brexit negotiator] about how we progress to the wider thing, of the trade area. The most important thing in the aggregate is the trade area. Re brexit - mps don't want to do it and business doesn't want to do it so my guess is they'll get out as little as possible and try to claim either that its a much bigger break than it really is or blame the eu that it isn't. He's being very cautious therem certainly hasn't committed to anything, ideally we can delay so we can choose a new Prime Minister for the negotiations, even if it is Boris. We know the MP's or business don't want it but they've got it, as I say, the further I read and here there is little difference between what Labour and the Conservatives want from it, both now accept we are leaving the single market, which has been the whole central point of the argument over hard or soft Brexit.
ramboacdc Posted 12 June 2017 Posted 12 June 2017 if the queens speech is too late after the election doesn't this mean another election? 14 days spring to mind!
leicsmac Posted 12 June 2017 Posted 12 June 2017 5 hours ago, Line-X said: Oh I dunno, think of the Anglo-American relationship. Maybe Gove and Scott Pruitt can be friends. I did think about that link myself. Him and Pruitt are almost two peas in a pod. Anyone think that this appointment is a good idea? @Webbo? @MattP? @Dirkster the Fox? @Strokes? Anyone?
Guest Kopfkino Posted 12 June 2017 Posted 12 June 2017 8 minutes ago, ramboacdc said: if the queens speech is too late after the election doesn't this mean another election? 14 days spring to mind! It's a bit of mess https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/blog/votes-confidence-queen’s-speech-and-fixed-term-parliaments-act
Nick Posted 12 June 2017 Posted 12 June 2017 6 minutes ago, ramboacdc said: if the queens speech is too late after the election doesn't this mean another election? 14 days spring to mind! Queen seen being bundled into Hackney Cab by huge arsed, innumerate black woman on a career break.
Guest MattP Posted 12 June 2017 Posted 12 June 2017 2 minutes ago, leicsmac said: I did think about that link myself. Him and Pruitt are almost two peas in a pod. Anyone think that this appointment is a good idea? @Webbo? @MattP? @Dirkster the Fox? @Strokes? Anyone? Definitely, you want Gove in the cabinet, he's too smart not to be. He's the one who wrote to the farmers as well guaranteeing them EU subsidies would be taken up by the government, so she's thrown him a bouncer. (no one seems to have picked up on that in the MSM) I'll miss his column in the Times on Friday though, it was a must read for anyone with a combined interest in politics and history.
Nick Posted 12 June 2017 Posted 12 June 2017 Just now, MattP said: Definitely, you want Gove in the cabinet, he's too smart not to be. He's the one who wrote to the farmers as well guaranteeing them EU subsidies would be taken up by the government, so she's thrown him a bouncer. (no one seems to have picked up on that in the MSM) I'll miss his column in the Times on Friday though, it was a must read for anyone with a combined interest in politics and history. Horse shit. He's an idiot.
leicsmac Posted 12 June 2017 Posted 12 June 2017 3 minutes ago, MattP said: Definitely, you want Gove in the cabinet, he's too smart not to be. He's the one who wrote to the farmers as well guaranteeing them EU subsidies would be taken up by the government, so she's thrown him a bouncer. (no one seems to have picked up on that in the MSM) I'll miss his column in the Times on Friday though, it was a must read for anyone with a combined interest in politics and history. Even with the rather interesting environmental views? Surely a better place for him if he's good at talking to the farmers is Agricultural Sec or something like that? Not sure I can get my head round the idea of an EnvironSec who is prepared to overlook a potentially sizeable threat to the environment. It is a lot like Pruitt.
Nick Posted 12 June 2017 Posted 12 June 2017 6 minutes ago, MattP said: I want to rep that all day long.
Guest MattP Posted 12 June 2017 Posted 12 June 2017 3 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said: Horse shit. He's an idiot. Gove is widely regarded as one of the brightest in parliament from all sides, just because people don't like him doesn't make that true. 1 minute ago, leicsmac said: Even with the rather interesting environmental views? Surely a better place for him if he's good at talking to the farmers is Agricultural Sec or something like that? Not sure I can get my head round the idea of an EnvironSec who is prepared to overlook a potentially sizeable threat to the environment. It is a lot like Pruitt. We aren't going to be withdrawing from the Paris agreement or anything so I don't think it's that much of an issue. She couldn't really get him into the cabinet is another job, lets be honest with the challenges facing our country over the next few years his position is irrelevent.
Nick Posted 12 June 2017 Posted 12 June 2017 Just now, MattP said: Gove is widely regarded as one of the brightest in parliament from all sides, just because people don't like him doesn't make that true. I don't like him or agree with him and thats because his policies are brainless turding stupidity that take the country back a generation ignoring all contemporary research to suit his agendas and at the expense of young people, women and prisoners.
leicsmac Posted 12 June 2017 Posted 12 June 2017 3 minutes ago, MattP said: We aren't going to be withdrawing from the Paris agreement or anything so I don't think it's that much of an issue. She couldn't really get him into the cabinet is another job, lets be honest with the challenges facing our country over the next few years his position is irrelevent. 3 That's true, but then I didn't think the US were daft enough to pull out of the Paris Agreement either, so who knows? Definitely agree that there weren't many other places where she could put him in the Cabinet - I'm not sure decisions made about the environment are ever irrelevant, though.
Nick Posted 12 June 2017 Posted 12 June 2017 5 minutes ago, MattP said: Gove is widely regarded as one of the brightest in parliament from all sides, just because people don't like him doesn't make that true. We aren't going to be withdrawing from the Paris agreement or anything so I don't think it's that much of an issue. She couldn't really get him into the cabinet is another job, lets be honest with the challenges facing our country over the next few years his position is irrelevent. But respectfully Matt if Tory voters think that being Head of the Environment is simply about the Paris treaty in the scheme of things its why we should all be having a damn good look at ourselves... We should have somebody in charge of the environment who perhaps isn't a climate change sceptic for a start eh? Its a fvucking disgrace end of.
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