Trav Le Bleu Posted 10 November 2017 Posted 10 November 2017 When I see news about brexit negotiations, the words cake and eat spring to mind. Ridiculous to think that we can get rid of all the bits we don't like and keep the bits we do. Add to that, what one person considers good, another considers bad and vice versa.
Guest Posted 10 November 2017 Posted 10 November 2017 3 minutes ago, Strokes said: I thought 14% but I might be mistaken, I can’t be arsed to go searching now. Are you sure @toddybad? We're currently trading 14/15% down against the dollar and about 15/16% down against the euro from just before the vote.
Strokes Posted 10 November 2017 Posted 10 November 2017 3 minutes ago, toddybad said: We're currently trading 14/15% down against the dollar and about 15/16% down against the euro from just before the vote. So about 15% then? Or is there another way to come to 20%? I am far from an expert.
Guest Posted 10 November 2017 Posted 10 November 2017 11 minutes ago, Strokes said: So about 15% then? Or is there another way to come to 20%? I am far from an expert. I'm glad the semantics are so important to you. Let's go with 15%. The rest of the question stays as it was. How much further are the Brexiters happy with it falling?
Strokes Posted 10 November 2017 Posted 10 November 2017 1 minute ago, toddybad said: I'm glad the semantics are so important to you. Let's go with 15%. The rest of the question stays as it was. How much further are the Brexiters happy with it falling? Well youve just given me 5% for free. 1
Guest Posted 10 November 2017 Posted 10 November 2017 4 minutes ago, Strokes said: Well youve just given me 5% for free. I'd say that's more avoiding the question than answering it. The pound has dropped 15% already, how much further are you happy for it to fall?
Innovindil Posted 10 November 2017 Posted 10 November 2017 1 minute ago, toddybad said: I'd say that's more avoiding the question than answering it. The pound has dropped 15% already, how much further are you happy for it to fall? To around even with the $ please.
Strokes Posted 10 November 2017 Posted 10 November 2017 1 minute ago, toddybad said: I'd say that's more avoiding the question than answering it. The pound has dropped 15% already, how much further are you happy for it to fall? I’m not happy for it to fall at all. A higher valuation for me personally is much better but a lower value is useful for other things. When you think WTO trade terms are only 10% and the pound has fallen 15%, it makes you wonder what the huge fuss is about.
Fox Ulike Posted 10 November 2017 Posted 10 November 2017 Does anybody actually know what the consequences of a falling pound are?
Guest Posted 10 November 2017 Posted 10 November 2017 5 minutes ago, Strokes said: I’m not happy for it to fall at all. A higher valuation for me personally is much better but a lower value is useful for other things. When you think WTO trade terms are only 10% and the pound has fallen 15%, it makes you wonder what the huge fuss is about. That isn't WTO trade terms
Bellend Sebastian Posted 10 November 2017 Posted 10 November 2017 3 minutes ago, Fox Ulike said: Does anybody actually know what the consequences of a falling pound are? Yes 1
Guest Posted 10 November 2017 Posted 10 November 2017 2 minutes ago, Fox Ulike said: Does anybody actually know what the consequences of a falling pound are? Higher import costs, higher prices in the shops, inflation, higher cost to travel abroad, theoretically cheaper exports (unless manufacturing process involves importing) - so long as business reduces prices in line with falling currency. A falling pound means the markets are betting on the UK being less successful. It means we're seen as a riskier investment.
Strokes Posted 10 November 2017 Posted 10 November 2017 (edited) 11 minutes ago, toddybad said: That isn't WTO trade terms Well its actually a estimated at a bit less than that in a study i read but i had seen that quoted in articles before, so i plumped for that rather than fall into your trap of embellishment to suit my argument. Edited 10 November 2017 by Strokes
Fox Ulike Posted 10 November 2017 Posted 10 November 2017 5 minutes ago, toddybad said: Higher import costs, higher prices in the shops, inflation, higher cost to travel abroad, theoretically cheaper exports (unless manufacturing process involves importing) - so long as business reduces prices in line with falling currency. A falling pound means the markets are betting on the UK being less successful. It means we're seen as a riskier investment. So how much will this cost the economy? If the pound falls by 15% and stays at that level for say, a year – is there a way of calculating the economy damage done by such a drop, for example in terms of reduction in GDP?
Guest Posted 10 November 2017 Posted 10 November 2017 10 minutes ago, Strokes said: Well its actually a estimated at a bit less than that in a study i read but i had seen that quoted in articles before, so i plumped for that rather than fall into your trap of embellishment to suit my argument. Wto terms are very complicated. www.wto.org attempts to explain them for anybody interested. My understanding is that tariffs are still different for every item, industry and country. It depends what you care about as to the effect. For instance (and I haven't got the will to live to check the figures) I've seen as extreme examples that European cheeses might cost an additional 35 or 40%. But other items have much smaller tariffs applied. I really would prefer not to have to pay loads more for parmesan personally.
Strokes Posted 10 November 2017 Posted 10 November 2017 1 hour ago, toddybad said: Wto terms are very complicated. www.wto.org attempts to explain them for anybody interested. My understanding is that tariffs are still different for every item, industry and country. It depends what you care about as to the effect. For instance (and I haven't got the will to live to check the figures) I've seen as extreme examples that European cheeses might cost an additional 35 or 40%. But other items have much smaller tariffs applied. I really would prefer not to have to pay loads more for parmesan personally. Here, I've found the study that i read a little while ago. You might find it interesting. https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.civitas.org.uk/content/files/potentialpostbrexittariffcostsforeuuktrade.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwjKiurolLTXAhUQ5aQKHcJUAC0QFggqMAE&usg=AOvVaw1dBFtIL8SrcSBP67DJiPPs
Webbo Posted 10 November 2017 Posted 10 November 2017 Tariffs are a tax that the govt collects, according to Strokes figures if we continued importing at the same rate from the EU the govt would receive nearly £13 billion. We could use that money to cut taxes for exporters or business in general to compensate for the £5.2 billion levied on our exports.
Guest Posted 10 November 2017 Posted 10 November 2017 2 hours ago, Strokes said: Here, I've found the study that i read a little while ago. You might find it interesting. https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.civitas.org.uk/content/files/potentialpostbrexittariffcostsforeuuktrade.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwjKiurolLTXAhUQ5aQKHcJUAC0QFggqMAE&usg=AOvVaw1dBFtIL8SrcSBP67DJiPPs Yeah quite interesting. It seems to forget one thing though, it doesn't matter who is worst off is everybody is worse off. Ultimately if I'm personally paying more for stuff then im worse off. Also, a lot of foodstuffs appear near the top of the tariff charts which will directly affect everybody.
Strokes Posted 10 November 2017 Posted 10 November 2017 25 minutes ago, toddybad said: Yeah quite interesting. It seems to forget one thing though, it doesn't matter who is worst off is everybody is worse off. Ultimately if I'm personally paying more for stuff then im worse off. Also, a lot of foodstuffs appear near the top of the tariff charts which will directly affect everybody. Although that’s a fair point, the point I’m trying to make is if you look at those figures, they are peanuts.
Rogstanley Posted 10 November 2017 Posted 10 November 2017 35 minutes ago, Webbo said: Tariffs are a tax that the govt collects, according to Strokes figures if we continued importing at the same rate from the EU the govt would receive nearly £13 billion. We could use that money to cut taxes for exporters or business in general to compensate for the £5.2 billion levied on our exports. Good old tax and spend
Strokes Posted 10 November 2017 Posted 10 November 2017 54 minutes ago, Webbo said: Tariffs are a tax that the govt collects, according to Strokes figures if we continued importing at the same rate from the EU the govt would receive nearly £13 billion. We could use that money to cut taxes for exporters or business in general to compensate for the £5.2 billion levied on our exports. Let’s send that money to the NHS instead.
Webbo Posted 10 November 2017 Posted 10 November 2017 Just now, Strokes said: Let’s send that money to the NHS instead. Won't need to, we'll all be healthier as soon as we leave.
Guest Posted 10 November 2017 Posted 10 November 2017 29 minutes ago, Strokes said: Although that’s a fair point, the point I’m trying to make is if you look at those figures, they are peanuts. The overall % isn't that bad - though I don't know who did the report to know how unbiased it is or isn't - but some of the food %s are quite high. Add that to a falling pound and that had the potential to put large stresses on family budgets.
Bellend Sebastian Posted 10 November 2017 Posted 10 November 2017 Imagine what we could achieve without the bloody EU holding us back. We could be the most obese nation in the world! https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/nov/10/uk-most-obese-country-in-western-europe-oecd-report-finds
Guest Posted 10 November 2017 Posted 10 November 2017 3 minutes ago, Webbo said: Won't need to, we'll all be healthier as soon as we leave. Not if the fish happen to have swum into French territorial waters and we're no longer allowed to catch them.
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