Politics Thread (encompassing Brexit) - 21 June 2017 onwards

[Dr The Singh]

Anybody who knows anything about politics know Patel is a agent for the Indian government, with Israel being a key ally of India, I'm not surprised she was having secret meeting s.

 

Good riddance to the bitch

[Guest MattP]

4 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said:

Anybody who knows anything about politics know Patel is a agent for the Indian government, with Israel being a key ally of India, I'm not surprised she was having secret meeting s.

 

Good riddance to the bitch

You would though wouldn't you?

[Strokes]

2 hours ago, MattP said:

There is absolutely no chance of a vote of no confidence, if the situation got anywhere near that the Tories will just change the leader and try and new cabinet before going down that road, they aren't going to vote down their own government, certainly not in the middle of Brexit talks and while Labour lead in the polls.

 

If Priti is going I think she'll have to balance the appointment wiht another leaver though, expect some backbench pressure for that.

Yeah I had forgotten about the fixed term Parliament act, it will take quite a few tories to bring it down.

[Strokes]

28 minutes ago, MattP said:

You would though wouldn't you?

Hell yeah.

[Webbo]

Pritti Patel has resigned.

[Strokes]

Boooooooooo!

[leicsmac]

Wonder if she'll start talking a bit about the exact circumstances, now? Might be interesting.

[Guest MattP]

Allowed her to resign rather than be sacked. Glad, the bloodlust of many of those in the media for sackings is reaching absurd levels at this point in time.

 

Make sure the replacement is one of the 2010 intake.

[Izzy]

#Prexit

[lifted*fox]

Resigned lol.

 

Taken a bit fat pay-off from May then.

[Strokes]

2 minutes ago, lifted*fox said:

Resigned lol.

 

Taken a bit fat pay-off from May then.

£2 billion is the going rate.

[Guest FriendlyRam]

When does May get the boot? What is she running down there

 

[Sharpe's Fox]

6 minutes ago, FriendlyRam said:

When does May get the boot? What is she running down there

 

the pound

[leicsmac]

What are the possibilities here?

 

a.) May knew about the meetings and threw Patel under the bus. 

b.) May didn't know about the meeting and Cabinet ministers are doing stuff without the knowledge or consent of the PM which suggests she doesn't have a handle on what that Cabinet is doing at any one time.

c.) She asked Patel to do stuff in her own way but not tell her about it to give her plausible deniability and it's now become public knowledge so that deniability is probably a good thing.

 

Any other options that people can think of?

[Sharpe's Fox]

4 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

What are the possibilities here?

 

a.) May knew about the meetings and threw Patel under the bus. 

b.) May didn't know about the meeting and Cabinet ministers are doing stuff without the knowledge or consent of the PM which suggests she doesn't have a handle on what that Cabinet is doing at any one time.

c.) She asked Patel to do stuff in her own way but not tell her about it to give her plausible deniability and it's now become public knowledge so that deniability is probably a good thing.

 

Any other options that people can think of?

she were jealous of that massive arse. Treesa's got one like a f ucking tea saucer.

[Guest MattP]

3 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

What are the possibilities here?

 

a.) May knew about the meetings and threw Patel under the bus. 

b.) May didn't know about the meeting and Cabinet ministers are doing stuff without the knowledge or consent of the PM which suggests she doesn't have a handle on what that Cabinet is doing at any one time.

c.) She asked Patel to do stuff in her own way but not tell her about it to give her plausible deniability and it's now become public knowledge so that deniability is probably a good thing.

 

Any other options that people can think of?

B is probably spot on.

 

I genuinely think it has got to the point where cabinet ministers see her as so weak they can do what they want.

 

Roll on 2019 when she can be dumped and we can select a new Prime Minister, hopefully handed over to the membership. 

[leicsmac]

2 minutes ago, MattP said:

B is probably spot on.

 

I genuinely think it has got to the point where cabinet ministers see her as so weak they can do what they want.

 

Roll on 2019 when she can be dumped and we can select a new Prime Minister, hopefully handed over to the membership. 

That's fair. Guess we'll see where things go from here.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, MattP said:

So he's going to stand on a manifesto of raising business rates etc and then as soon as he's elected cancel them all as to avoid on a run on the pound?

 

If you can tell me in any way how he's going to stop people moving money to tax havens I'd love to hear it (sadly even he did have some magical plan it will be irrelevent anyway as if he's on course to win anyone planning to do it will have done before he takes office) - is he going to invade the Carribean?

 

I'm still baffled as to where I have lied either, I said Labour were planning for a run, you've now said Labour are planning for a run. We seem to be in agreement that they will be.

 

Glad you mentioned his speech to the CBI.. - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/11/06/businesses-reject-jeremy-corbyns-wooing-warn-would-trash-britains/

 

The CBI welcomed his ideas to promote clarity in the Brexit process, and also agreed in principle that more infrastructure investment is needed.

It is clear that competitive markets are the best way to improve people’s livesCarolyn Fairbairn, CBI

But the business group warned that Mr Corbyn had reached the wrong policy conclusions.

"There are fundamental differences on the ways to get there," said Carolyn Fairbairn, the CBI's director general.

“It is clear that competitive markets are the best way to improve people’s lives. Abandoning this model will hurt those who need help most and make the UK a laggard in the global race for investment."

"Both businesses and Labour are determined to find ways to lift productivity and improve living standards in communities across the UK. Proposals on skills, innovation and infrastructure have potential, and these should be refined hand-in-hand with responsible business to ensure they are funded in a way that doesn’t cost jobs," Ms Fairbairn said.

"Labour should recognise that their vision of significant state intervention including nationalisation, PFI and government procurement, would undermine such ambitions."

 

As I've said before, tried and failed policies that only those that haven't seen them in action before will vote for.

 

 

I'd already put the cbi speech and response up that day.

 

They would say that wouldn't they? At the moment we have a not just business friendly economy, but an economy that gets taken advantage of by business. I'm fine with profits, I'm not fine with businesses threatening to leave if they don't get more and more deregulation to make bigger and bigger profits that don't trickle down at all.

[Realist Guy In The Room]

1 hour ago, MattP said:

You would though wouldn't you?

Only reason I wanted her to stick around.

 

 

[Guest MattP]

18 minutes ago, toddybad said:

I'd already put the cbi speech and response up that day.

 

They would say that wouldn't they? At the moment we have a not just business friendly economy, but an economy that gets taken advantage of by business. I'm fine with profits, I'm not fine with businesses threatening to leave if they don't get more and more deregulation to make bigger and bigger profits that don't trickle down at all.

The CBI are just correctly pointing out if you strangle business and investment it will have an effect. It's obvious.

 

Nothing Labour have produced recently has been business friendly policy and why would it be? People like Corbyn and McDonnell don't believe in business, they have never worked for one or had any interest in running one, they hate free markets and believe in state ownership. 

 

I do think you are right though, Corbyn being elected would be similar to Trump, he'd get in then realise almost everything he has promised is impractical so just not do it and spend time just preaching to his loyal fans who will support him whatever. 

[Dr The Singh]

2 hours ago, MattP said:

You would though wouldn't you?

A love sandwich with me, you and her, what do you think?

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, MattP said:

The CBI are just correctly pointing out if you strangle business and investment it will have an effect. It's obvious.

 

Nothing Labour have produced recently has been business friendly policy and why would it be? People like Corbyn and McDonnell don't believe in business, they have never worked for one or had any interest in running one, they hate free markets and believe in state ownership. 

 

I do think you are right though, Corbyn being elected would be similar to Trump, he'd get in then realise almost everything he has promised is impractical so just not do it and spend time just preaching to his loyal fans who will support him whatever. 

I don't see why you can't nationalise core national interests - energy and transport for instance, but still support a market based economy elsewhere. I also don't see why business shouldn't have more of a social conscience.

[Guest MattP]

3 minutes ago, toddybad said:

I don't see why you can't nationalise core national interests - energy and transport for instance, but still support a market based economy elsewhere. I also don't see why business shouldn't have more of a social conscience.

I actually agree you on the last line, but unfortunately most business cares about the bottom line over its responsibility. I really hope Corbyn isn't so naive he thinks he can change this.

 

Even business that preaches moral conscience like The Guardian avoids paying taxes when it can, what chance do we have with Google? 

[Simi]

12 hours ago, FriendlyRam said:

When does May get the boot? What is she running down there

 

 

Not until the boss says so.

[Bellend Sebastian]

5 minutes ago, Simi said:

 

Not until the boss says so.

"celebrate"