Guest Foxin_mad Posted 24 November 2017 Posted 24 November 2017 Just now, toddybad said: This post is almost 100% untrue made up bollocks. Do you have some sort of brain injury? In your left wing opinion. What the **** are you on about. Every single post of yours is made up bollocks! I really hope you get your Labour government and that you get exactly what you deserve. I will not comment here any further as the left are disgusting. Kind caring politics in action once again.
Guest Posted 24 November 2017 Posted 24 November 2017 Today's figures showing that mortgage acceptances are down, credit card spending is down, savings are falling, wages are falling against inflation, business and consumer confidence are both down..... ....anybody really willing to deny there might be a problem on the horizon?
Strokes Posted 24 November 2017 Posted 24 November 2017 5 minutes ago, toddybad said: ....do they need to pay increasing bills in an environment where everyday costs are increasing and wages are falling against inflation...answer, yes Could they cover that cost other than borrowing?
Guest Posted 24 November 2017 Posted 24 November 2017 3 minutes ago, Foxin_mad said: In your left wing opinion. What the **** are you on about. Every single post of yours is made up bollocks! I really hope you get your Labour government and that you get exactly what you deserve. I will not comment here any further as the left are disgusting. Kind caring politics in action once again. Good. Take your bile and f off.
Guest Posted 24 November 2017 Posted 24 November 2017 Just now, Strokes said: Could they cover that cost other than borrowing? With what?
Strokes Posted 24 November 2017 Posted 24 November 2017 Just now, toddybad said: With what? Luxury spending.
Guest Posted 24 November 2017 Posted 24 November 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Strokes said: Luxury spending. Are we talking at cross purposes? There bound to be some people spending on luxuries that they could cut back. But in the current economic environment it's also now more likely that more people have cut back as far as they can and are having to take on debt. Would you accept that as a fair way of putting it? Edited 24 November 2017 by Guest
Guest Foxin_mad Posted 24 November 2017 Posted 24 November 2017 3 minutes ago, toddybad said: Good. Take your bile and f off. Your the one with the bile. I have never called you mentally disabled. I should report you really with your disgusting attitude. You are such a kind caring person, I will stay in the hope it pisses you off! Kind caring momentum public sector workers, with a world run with people like you what a beautiful place we would live.
Guest Foxin_mad Posted 24 November 2017 Posted 24 November 2017 1 minute ago, toddybad said: Are we talking at cross purposes? There bound to be some people spending on luxuries that they could cut back. But in the current economic environment it's also now more likely that more people have cut back as far as they can and are having to take on debt. Would you accept that as a fair way of putting it? No that's bullshit made up 100% in your head.
Strokes Posted 24 November 2017 Posted 24 November 2017 3 minutes ago, toddybad said: Are we talking at cross purposes? There bound to be some people spending on luxuries that they could cut back. But in the current economic environment it's also now more likely that more people have cut back as far as they can and are having to take on debt. Would you accept that as a fair way of putting it? No, lots of people have personal debt for all manner of reasons but by and large that debt is of their own making.
Guest Posted 24 November 2017 Posted 24 November 2017 1 minute ago, Foxin_mad said: Your the one with the bile. I have never called you mentally disabled. I should report you really with your disgusting attitude. You are such a kind caring person, I will stay in the hope it pisses you off! Kind caring momentum public sector workers, with a world run with people like you what a beautiful place we would live. Fox. You just don't listen to anything and just shoot the same things louder and louder. There's no point in talking to you. Notice how I'm not getting aggrieved at the attitude of strokes who at least presents evidence for his beliefs and discusses them without resorting to rabid monologues about how we'll all end up in gulags or whatever. There's just no debating with you.
Guest Posted 24 November 2017 Posted 24 November 2017 Just now, Strokes said: No, lots of people have personal debt for all manner of reasons but by and large that debt is of their own making. But is it not more likely that debts will become unavoidable when incomes are squeezed?
ajthefox Posted 24 November 2017 Posted 24 November 2017 13 minutes ago, toddybad said: Today's figures showing that mortgage acceptances are down, credit card spending is down, savings are falling, wages are falling against inflation, business and consumer confidence are both down..... ....anybody really willing to deny there might be a problem on the horizon? Not necessarily bad things imo but the rest I grant you. Too many mortgage acceptances in the states was obviously a big contributor to the crash.
Guest Posted 24 November 2017 Posted 24 November 2017 2 minutes ago, ajthefox said: Not necessarily bad things imo but the rest I grant you. Too many mortgage acceptances in the states was obviously a big contributor to the crash. Yeah, I mean you wouldn't argue against credit card expenditure falling normally and in some ways it actually negates the point I've been making this morning but what seems clear is that there is a crisis of confidence in the economy.
Guest Foxin_mad Posted 24 November 2017 Posted 24 November 2017 2 minutes ago, toddybad said: Fox. You just don't listen to anything and just shoot the same things louder and louder. There's no point in talking to you. Notice how I'm not getting aggrieved at the attitude of strokes who at least presents evidence for his beliefs and discusses them without resorting to rabid monologues about how we'll all end up in gulags or whatever. There's just no debating with you. I listen to everything and take valid comments on-board. My comments are never ever rabid what are you on about, I am not the one calling people mentally ill. You just disagree with my vision. You saying everyone is currently poor dying and starving, yet I step outside and that is not what I see. You refuse to accept anything other that what the guardian has told you which is fine. Fair play. There is no debating with you either. You put our articles and studies from think tanks that support what you are saying a say that is 100% correct and there is no other way, you have a economic theory that has been disproved time and time again yet you refuse to admit any alternative exists. I hope the left get Corbyn one day and I hope the roosters come home to roost. I hope that I am far enough away from it to chuckle.
Buce Posted 24 November 2017 Posted 24 November 2017 23 minutes ago, Foxin_mad said: Of course National Debt causes busts, all debt causes busts! If you are spending money you don't have at some point that Money supply is going to stop whether you are a individual or a government, there will come a point that as a nation no one else will lend us anymore. If you show no fiscal responsibility which Labour don't/aren't the money supply will dry up quickly. Unless of course you support the actions of some third world south American socialist countries where they just hit print for a few billion more notes. You have absolutely no idea whether another credit crunch is coming. No one ever put in 'real terms' in the left and Guardian world where they like a bit of hyperbole and sensationalism about the nasty rich men, they say wages are falling they are not falling. The cost of living is rising its misleading to say otherwise. If we keep on the correct path, wages will rise especially when we stop importing cheap foreign Labour from eastern block countries. Tory governments take on more debt because they generally take on a crap economic situation left by Labour and have to sort it out. If you are left with a £150 billion deficit, of course debt is going to increase while you bring it down, and get control. Control could have been got more quickly by cutting more and more quickly but of course the left would have whined a bit more then. The other option is the gambler option where we just keep spending more and more and hope that one day the debt goes away, of course this is the left way. What are you on about. You are the deniers of the truth If we had a Labour government for the past years we would ALL be a lot worse off now, we would all be jobless and poorer.
Guest Posted 24 November 2017 Posted 24 November 2017 1 minute ago, Foxin_mad said: I listen to everything and take valid comments on-board. My comments are never ever rabid what are you on about, I am not the one calling people mentally ill. You just disagree with my vision. You saying everyone is currently poor dying and starving, yet I step outside and that is not what I see. You refuse to accept anything other that what the guardian has told you which is fine. Fair play. There is no debating with you either. You put our articles and studies from think tanks that support what you are saying a say that is 100% correct and there is no other way, you have a economic theory that has been disproved time and time again yet you refuse to admit any alternative exists. I hope the left get Corbyn one day and I hope the roosters come home to roost. I hope that I am far enough away from it to chuckle. Most days I say something which isn't 100% behind labour. Today it was them being lax over personal debt in office. Yesterday it was Corbyn being weak in pmqs half of the time. I'm not actually as far to the left as corbyn but I see the current government as abhorrent. Can a mod advise if my brain injury comment was above or below the belt? If it was too far I'll remove it.
Guest Foxin_mad Posted 24 November 2017 Posted 24 November 2017 3 minutes ago, toddybad said: Yeah, I mean you wouldn't argue against credit card expenditure falling normally and in some ways it actually negates the point I've been making this morning but what seems clear is that there is a crisis of confidence in the economy. Or people are just cutting back on items they don't need? As they should. Obviously there is some uncertainty over Brexit but until we know what's happening there its difficult to know what impact that will have. We could strike a good deal and it kicks off a revival, we could have no deal and have a problem. We will have to see.
Izzy Posted 24 November 2017 Posted 24 November 2017 2 hours ago, toddybad said: Through falling growth and falling wages. Great. The two companies I’ve worked with this week are both growing +20% year on year and making great profits. They’re paying staff bonuses and things are rosy. There may be doom and gloom everywhere else but I don’t see it week to week.
Buce Posted 24 November 2017 Posted 24 November 2017 25 minutes ago, Foxin_mad said: In your left wing opinion. What the **** are you on about. Every single post of yours is made up bollocks! I really hope you get your Labour government and that you get exactly what you deserve. I will not comment here any further as the left are disgusting. Kind caring politics in action once again. 15 minutes ago, Foxin_mad said: Your the one with the bile. I have never called you mentally disabled. I should report you really with your disgusting attitude. You are such a kind caring person, I will stay in the hope it pisses you off! Kind caring momentum public sector workers, with a world run with people like you what a beautiful place we would live. 10 minutes. Is that all we're going to get?
Guest Foxin_mad Posted 24 November 2017 Posted 24 November 2017 5 minutes ago, Buce said: Another great contribution well done! You disagree so what shit happens.
Guest Posted 24 November 2017 Posted 24 November 2017 1 minute ago, Izzy Muzzett said: The two companies I’ve worked with this week are both growing +20% year on year and making great profits. They’re paying staff bonuses and things are rosy. There may be doom and gloom everywhere else but I don’t see it week to week. That's good to hear mate.fair play to those success stories. But looking at the whole economy would you agree that the picture doesn't average out that way?
Guest Foxin_mad Posted 24 November 2017 Posted 24 November 2017 Just now, Buce said: 10 minutes. Is that all we're going to get? Yes I've decided to stay because its more fun just to see all the shit gifs you post from the Internet.
Guest Posted 24 November 2017 Posted 24 November 2017 Out of interest fox, who do you think the national debt is owed to?
Strokes Posted 24 November 2017 Posted 24 November 2017 1 minute ago, toddybad said: Out of interest fox, who do you think the national debt is owed to? Rupert murdoch obvs.
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