Strokes Posted 30 January 2018 Posted 30 January 2018 58 minutes ago, Fox Ulike said: Since the referendum a lots of different experts have come to the same conclusion about Brexit. That doesn’t make them the same experts! From memory I think it was the IMF who said we’d be in recession now. This is a leaked cabinet document. To confirm: The IMF and the British Government are not “The Same Experts”. We know how reliable that is
leicsmac Posted 30 January 2018 Posted 30 January 2018 On a slightly different note... http://www.bbc.com/news/health-42871081 Thoughts?
leicsmac Posted 30 January 2018 Posted 30 January 2018 Also let's face it, if people aren't going to listen to experts on something that's a certainty such as rising CO2 levels and the possible consequences thereof, why would they listen to experts about something much more tenuous like economic forecasts...unless they were saying what they wanted to hear?
Buce Posted 30 January 2018 Posted 30 January 2018 1 minute ago, Strokes said: Building houses is a long process buce, it’s not a quick signature here and hey presto here are a million new homes. It could take 4-5 years to get what we need now. By then we could be in the same position All the more reason to get started then. Of course, that won't happen because the Tories are ideologically opposed to social housing.
Innovindil Posted 30 January 2018 Posted 30 January 2018 2 hours ago, toddybad said: This is getting absolutely ridiculous now. I can't believe anybody wants this government in charge. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5456185/st-marys-catholic-primary-school-4-day-week-isleworth-west-london/#comments Just out of curiosity, if you're happy to pay more in taxes why don't you just skip out the evil tory middlemen and send your spare cash straight to this school?
Buce Posted 30 January 2018 Posted 30 January 2018 4 minutes ago, leicsmac said: On a slightly different note... http://www.bbc.com/news/health-42871081 Thoughts? Hmm.... let me think. Who's more likely to have a grasp of the situation - a man with a brain the size of a planet or Jeremy Hunt? That's a tough one.
fuchsntf Posted 30 January 2018 Posted 30 January 2018 35 minutes ago, leicsmac said: On a slightly different note... http://www.bbc.com/news/health-42871081 Thoughts? Another con, instead of doing the obvious,they organise a group of dell-boys.. Whether its a CONtrick or CONservative, always follows the same path.... Goodbye NHS, then another braindrain...
Webbo Posted 30 January 2018 Posted 30 January 2018 3 hours ago, toddybad said: No, it's 8% every year. If you get paid 50% less over 2 years you get paid 50% less both years. Growth atm is around 2% if we were 8% every year it'd be -6% every year, for 15 years? Just think about it for a minute and come back and apologise.
Guest Posted 30 January 2018 Posted 30 January 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Innovindil said: Just out of curiosity, if you're happy to pay more in taxes why don't you just skip out the evil tory middlemen and send your spare cash straight to this school? I suppose in the end this is one of the great divides between right and left. I want quality public services and am happy to pay for them. My tongue in cheek I would say the right would happily watch children go without education and see thousands stuck in ambulances outside A+E if it would save them a few quid personally. Edited 30 January 2018 by Guest
Guest Posted 30 January 2018 Posted 30 January 2018 1 minute ago, Webbo said: Growth atm is around 2% if we were 8% every year it'd be -6% every year, for 15 years? Just think about it for a minute and come back and apologise. I can't decide if you're being a WUM or are just really bad at maths or terrible at putting across what you mean about maths.
Webbo Posted 30 January 2018 Posted 30 January 2018 2 hours ago, Fox Ulike said: Since the referendum a lots of different experts have come to the same conclusion about Brexit. That doesn’t make them the same experts! From memory I think it was the IMF who said we’d be in recession now. This is a leaked cabinet document. To confirm: The IMF and the British Government are not “The Same Experts”. The govt provided a report pre referendum telling us those predictions of doom, this is a leaked govt report. Do keep up.
Webbo Posted 30 January 2018 Posted 30 January 2018 5 minutes ago, toddybad said: I can't decide if you're being a WUM or are just really bad at maths or terrible at putting across what you mean about maths. You said; 3 hours ago, toddybad said: No, it's 8% every year. If you get paid 50% less over 2 years you get paid 50% less both years. That's clearly bollox, not even the saddest remoaner would make that claim.
Guest Posted 30 January 2018 Posted 30 January 2018 Just now, Webbo said: You said; That's clearly bollox, not even the saddest remoaner would make that claim. You're just being mixed up about what the report meant. If growth is 8% lower over a 15 year period that's equivalent to having 8% less growth every year. So if growth is 2% you'd be looking at 1.8% ish. It's actually better than what you thought. The issue is that growth is terrible already so the numbers should get bigger and effectively add year on year as it is compounded. If we assume 2% every year you're looking at over £35 billion a year in the first year, and somewhere just under £50 billion in year 15. So somewhere between £525billion and £750 billion growth over the period. The 8% is 8% of that figure. So somewhere in the region of £50-75 billion over 15 years.
Webbo Posted 30 January 2018 Posted 30 January 2018 Just now, toddybad said: You're just being mixed up about what the report meant. If growth is 8% lower over a 15 year period that's equivalent to having 8% less growth every year. So if growth is 2% you'd be looking at 1.8% ish. It's actually better than what you thought. The issue is that growth is terrible already so the numbers should get bigger and effectively add year on year as it is compounded. If we assume 2% every year you're looking at over £35 billion a year in the first year, and somewhere just under £50 billion in year 15. So somewhere between £525billion and £750 billion growth over the period. The 8% is 8% of that figure. So somewhere in the region of £50-75 billion over 15 years. No, you're wrong, it's 8% less growth over the space of 15 years which is on average 0.53% a year.
Guest MattP Posted 30 January 2018 Posted 30 January 2018 19 minutes ago, toddybad said: I suppose in the end this is one of the great divides between right and left. I want quality public services and am happy to pay for them. You were complaining last month you were struggling financially and now you want to pay more in tax? Which one is it?
Guest Posted 30 January 2018 Posted 30 January 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Webbo said: No, you're wrong, it's 8% less growth over the space of 15 years which is on average 0.53% a year. As I've just shown you, growth at 2% is worth £525-750bil over 15 years (I've not got a calculator right now). 8% of that is around £50-75 billion. You're calculation is worse! 0.53% of growth is currently worth around £9billion in a year. Each and every year for 15 years would be almost £150 billion lost. I'm telling you the drop in growth is currently around 0.2%. I'm actually making your argument for your yet still you argue with me! Edited 30 January 2018 by Guest
Guest Posted 30 January 2018 Posted 30 January 2018 4 minutes ago, MattP said: You were complaining last month you were struggling financially and now you want to pay more in tax? Which one is it? Both.
Guest MattP Posted 30 January 2018 Posted 30 January 2018 Just now, toddybad said: Both. Why not send some of your wages to the treasury now then? Sure they take voluntary donations.
Webbo Posted 30 January 2018 Posted 30 January 2018 1 minute ago, toddybad said: As I've just shown you, growth at 2% is worth £525-750bil over 15 years (I've not got a calculator right now). 8% of that is around £50-75 billion. You're calculation is worse! 0.53% of growth is currently worth around £9billion in a year. Each and every year for 15 years would be almost £150 billion. I'm telling you the drop in growth is currently around 0.2%. I'm actually being your argument for your yet still you argue with me! I never denied it meant less money, always assuming that the prediction is correct. Your claim we'd lose 8% growth a year was ridiculous.
Guest Posted 30 January 2018 Posted 30 January 2018 Just now, MattP said: Why not send some of your wages to the treasury now then? Sure they take voluntary donations. Why are you happy to see schools shutting on Fridays and people dying outside a+e rather than spend a few pounds more?
Guest MattP Posted 30 January 2018 Posted 30 January 2018 Just now, toddybad said: Why are you happy to see schools shutting on Fridays and people dying outside a+e rather than spend a few pounds more? Ffs.
Guest Posted 30 January 2018 Posted 30 January 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Webbo said: I never denied it meant less money, always assuming that the prediction is correct. Your claim we'd lose 8% growth a year was ridiculous. It's 8% of the f******g growth. Jesus bloody Christ. Edited 30 January 2018 by Guest
Izzy Posted 30 January 2018 Posted 30 January 2018 1 minute ago, toddybad said: Why are you happy to see schools shutting on Fridays and people dying outside a+e rather than spend a few pounds more? Steady on old chap. I know you're emotional but that's a bit out or order..
Guest Posted 30 January 2018 Posted 30 January 2018 1 minute ago, MattP said: Ffs. But these are matters of public record, are they not? Are you denying those things happened?
Guest Posted 30 January 2018 Posted 30 January 2018 1 minute ago, Izzy Muzzett said: Steady on old chap. I know you're emotional but that's a bit out or order.. But that essentially is the argument. Those things have happened in the last fortnight. I've said I'd pay more tax to sort them out. Matt clearly doesn't want to.
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