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Guest MattP Posted 28 July 2017 Share Posted 28 July 2017 58 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said: Why on earth would anyone seriously predict that? The Tories would have to be polling at about 75% nationwide to be in with a chance of a seat like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopfkino Posted 28 July 2017 Share Posted 28 July 2017 Saw earlier it was a record low turnout of 9%. I'm personally impressed 9% could be arsed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlueBrett Posted 28 July 2017 Share Posted 28 July 2017 2 minutes ago, KingGTF said: Saw earlier it was a record low turnout of 9%. I'm personally impressed 9% could be arsed Isn't Fallowfield where all the students and whores live? Students on holiday at the moment and whores work nights so they were probably getting some well earned shut eye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 28 July 2017 Share Posted 28 July 2017 4 hours ago, Foxin_mad said: There seems to be a lot more than 1 Labour MP, Kier Stammer seems to be very pro single market, McDonnell spoke about it in a confused manner basically saying he wanted his cake and to eat it! Corbyn and the Labour party are up to some right 'dirty tricks' the Tories have only recently been capable of mass incompetence. In terms of dirty tricks Labour have promised a load of stuff they cant afford in their manifesto, and now they are back tracking on promises to students who double voted for them! They completely didn't engage with the EU referendum vote, if Corbyn and the Momentum marketing machine had been bothered about staying in the EU we would have seen mass social media marketing, and scum painted all over leave posters by 'labour activists'. Momentum are full of dirty dirty ticks, a truly vile bunch of people full of nothing but hate. Unfortunately this lot are as good at the dark arts as any party in history, they will stop at nothing to gain power and setup on us their socialist revolution. Yes that vile bunch full of nothing but hate. That sounds like the left. Yep. Socialist revolution? Yep a bit of redistribution will bring down the West alright You live in cloud cukkoo land mate. 3 hours ago, MattP said: Corbyn himself hasn't, he's made it pretty clear leaving the EU means leaving the single market. The party though doesn't seem to know it's arse from it's elbow, it appears no one in the cabinet in talking to anyone else. This week so far, Sunday: Corbyn appears on Marr on and tells us we have to leave the single market. Monday: Barry Gardner writes a column in the Guardian saying we'll leave the single market and the customs union. Wednesday: McDonnell says it's not out of question we stay in single market Thursday: Diane Abbott says on Newsnight staying in single market it is still on the table (Then absolute hilarity ensues as she literally starts the answer to the next question with "When we leave the single market....) Who knows what the position will be today? Just imagine if this lot were actually now in negotiations, what a complete and utter shambles it would be. Not getting papers out of a bag for a photo would be the last of our worries. Yeah. Kinda having difficulty taking a Tory boy seriously when her starts talking about other parties as being shambles atm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 28 July 2017 Share Posted 28 July 2017 29 minutes ago, toddybad said: Yeah. Kinda having difficulty taking a Tory boy seriously when her starts talking about other parties as being shambles atm. At least the Conservatives have a position, you can't argue that. Which is better than changing it every day everytime a different shadow minister is asked the same question. As I say, just thankful they are nowhere near the negotiations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Foxin_mad Posted 28 July 2017 Share Posted 28 July 2017 39 minutes ago, toddybad said: Yes that vile bunch full of nothing but hate. That sounds like the left. Yep. Socialist revolution? Yep a bit of redistribution will bring down the West alright You live in cloud cukkoo land mate. Yeah. Kinda having difficulty taking a Tory boy seriously when her starts talking about other parties as being shambles atm. So you think posters and placards wishing death upon Tory scum are acceptable? Calling for a 'class war' acceptable, threats against moderates, calling for bringing down the government. Plenty of hate in Momentum and Labour, and Corbyn and McDonnell are dangerous angry men. They could very easily turn into Socialist despot dictators like we see in South America. Extreme Socialist policies like Corbyns will bring down the west, they will redistribute wealth and make us all poorer like in Venezuela. The only rich ones will be the Corbynistas perhaps you will be ok due to your loyalty to your mighty comrade. People say we shouldn't use Venezuela as an example why not? On paper they have the biggest oil reserves in the world so should actually be a damn site richer than the UK! we are already starting from a disadvantaged position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 28 July 2017 Share Posted 28 July 2017 27 minutes ago, Foxin_mad said: So you think posters and placards wishing death upon Tory scum are acceptable? Calling for a 'class war' acceptable, threats against moderates, calling for bringing down the government. Plenty of hate in Momentum and Labour, and Corbyn and McDonnell are dangerous angry men. They could very easily turn into Socialist despot dictators like we see in South America. Extreme Socialist policies like Corbyns will bring down the west, they will redistribute wealth and make us all poorer like in Venezuela. The only rich ones will be the Corbynistas perhaps you will be ok due to your loyalty to your mighty comrade. People say we shouldn't use Venezuela as an example why not? On paper they have the biggest oil reserves in the world so should actually be a damn site richer than the UK! we are already starting from a disadvantaged position. 2 Yep why not? Venezuela is a fantastic example of South American socialism in action... ...just as Pinochets Chile was a fantastic example of South American capitalism in action. Let's keep mentioning that when someone extols the virtues of such a system. 80's leaders in the US and UK couldn't get enough of his strong and stable government, after all. Helicopter rides for everyone! (Or...maybe we might actually let some nuance into the debate regarding such systems and recognise that human failing and authoritarianism is a problem in both cases.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopfkino Posted 28 July 2017 Share Posted 28 July 2017 7 minutes ago, leicsmac said: Yep why not? Venezuela is a fantastic example of South American socialism in action... ...just as Pinochets Chile was a fantastic example of South American capitalism in action. Let's keep mentioning that when someone extols the virtues of such a system. 80's leaders in the US and UK couldn't get enough of his strong and stable government, after all. Helicopter rides for everyone! (Or...maybe we might actually let some nuance into the debate regarding such systems and recognise that human failing and authoritarianism is a problem in both cases.) I don't see your point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 28 July 2017 Share Posted 28 July 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, MattP said: At least the Conservatives have a position, you can't argue that. Which is better than changing it every day everytime a different shadow minister is asked the same question. As I say, just thankful they are nowhere near the negotiations. Rubbish. The chancellor clearly has a different position to davis who has a different position to boris. May had a position but has done an about turn simply to keep the right of the party onside even though her supposed no deal is better than a bad deal is clearly rubbish that both you and i have said we don't believe. Edited 28 July 2017 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 28 July 2017 Share Posted 28 July 2017 9 minutes ago, KingGTF said: I don't see your point Foxin seems hellbent on using Venezuela as a strawman for all socialist movements...so I responded by saying perhaps we should use Pinochets Chile as a strawman for all capitalist ones. Of course, both ideas are exactly that - strawmen, and should be derided as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 28 July 2017 Share Posted 28 July 2017 48 minutes ago, Foxin_mad said: So you think posters and placards wishing death upon Tory scum are acceptable? Calling for a 'class war' acceptable, threats against moderates, calling for bringing down the government. Plenty of hate in Momentum and Labour, and Corbyn and McDonnell are dangerous angry men. They could very easily turn into Socialist despot dictators like we see in South America. Extreme Socialist policies like Corbyns will bring down the west, they will redistribute wealth and make us all poorer like in Venezuela. The only rich ones will be the Corbynistas perhaps you will be ok due to your loyalty to your mighty comrade. People say we shouldn't use Venezuela as an example why not? On paper they have the biggest oil reserves in the world so should actually be a damn site richer than the UK! we are already starting from a disadvantaged position. Venezuela is being run by a drug cartel that has made corruption endemic within the country. Whilst it is a socialist country in name, it is being run by drug suppliers. There is no way that anybody who knows anything about Venezuela would seriously compare it to any other country. Funny how you never use the example of China isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 28 July 2017 Share Posted 28 July 2017 6 hours ago, Foxin_mad said: There seems to be a lot more than 1 Labour MP, Kier Stammer seems to be very pro single market, McDonnell spoke about it in a confused manner basically saying he wanted his cake and to eat it! Corbyn and the Labour party are up to some right 'dirty tricks' the Tories have only recently been capable of mass incompetence. In terms of dirty tricks Labour have promised a load of stuff they cant afford in their manifesto, and now they are back tracking on promises to students who double voted for them! They completely didn't engage with the EU referendum vote, if Corbyn and the Momentum marketing machine had been bothered about staying in the EU we would have seen mass social media marketing, and scum painted all over leave posters by 'labour activists'. Momentum are full of dirty dirty ticks, a truly vile bunch of people full of nothing but hate. Unfortunately this lot are as good at the dark arts as any party in history, they will stop at nothing to gain power and setup on us their socialist revolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopfkino Posted 28 July 2017 Share Posted 28 July 2017 Just now, toddybad said: Venezuela is being run by a drug cartel that has made corruption endemic within the country. Whilst it is a socialist country in name, it is being run by drug suppliers. There is no way that anybody who knows anything about Venezuela would seriously compare it to any other country. Funny how you never use the example of China isn't it? Funny how you never compare China to Hong Kong isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GaelicFox Posted 28 July 2017 Share Posted 28 July 2017 (edited) Brexit now threatens peace in ireland ... if a hard boarder returns it's totally possible that terrorist activity will increase , we are already seeing massive increase in militant nationalism , the British government bought the DUP with £1 billion extra , if terrorism returns to the 6 counties it will cost another £2 billion a year to manage that situation this border situation with ireland is massive .... it could have deadly consequences if it's a disaster and we end up with a hard border genuinely worried about this http://m.independent.ie/business/brexit/we-are-not-going-to-help-the-uk-come-up-with-a-border-solution-leo-varadkar-35977592.html Edited 28 July 2017 by GaelicFox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopfkino Posted 28 July 2017 Share Posted 28 July 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, toddybad said: What? Well compare Hong Kong to the rest of China and you tend to find the former with it's free economy fares better. Migration flows between Hong Kong and the rest of China are massively skewed towards Hong Kong for a reason. But even without the comparisons, if China is a model of what you want then I worry for you. Edited 28 July 2017 by KingGTF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 28 July 2017 Share Posted 28 July 2017 Only in a modern tory voter's mind would a 5% tax on earnings of over £80k and a reversal of PART of recent corporation tax cuts add up to hard left socialism that threatens to bring down the West. Somebody please show me where the labour manfesto brings about the end of capitalism (a bit of nationalisation does not do this) or threatens to end prosperity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 28 July 2017 Share Posted 28 July 2017 1 minute ago, KingGTF said: Well compare Hong Kong to the rest of China and you tend to find the former with it's free economy fares better. Migration flows between Hong Kong and the rest of China are massively skewed towards Hong kong Hong Kong has been part of china for 25 years. It spent decades flying economically and the uk/chinese agreement meant it continued unabashed. The rest of china began not just from a standing start but from a Houdini like position. The whole country is now awoken. It's a bit like comparing london to newcastle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Foxin_mad Posted 28 July 2017 Share Posted 28 July 2017 29 minutes ago, toddybad said: Venezuela is being run by a drug cartel that has made corruption endemic within the country. Whilst it is a socialist country in name, it is being run by drug suppliers. There is no way that anybody who knows anything about Venezuela would seriously compare it to any other country. Funny how you never use the example of China isn't it? We want to be like China? pollution, limited health care, limited education, few decent universities, massive poverty, no safety standards, very very low paid work, poor human rights, limited Internet. I don't think we want to be like China! Now I would argue that we need to be able to compete with China to stop them taking all our manufacturing jobs, we can do this on quality but I do not think we really want to emulate them. Its only in recent years since they have began to become more open the lest communist they become. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Foxin_mad Posted 28 July 2017 Share Posted 28 July 2017 25 minutes ago, toddybad said: Only in a modern tory voter's mind would a 5% tax on earnings of over £80k and a reversal of PART of recent corporation tax cuts add up to hard left socialism that threatens to bring down the West. Somebody please show me where the labour manfesto brings about the end of capitalism (a bit of nationalisation does not do this) or threatens to end prosperity. Corbyn and McDonnell are both hard left socialists who hold Venezuela as a shining beacon of Socialist Wealth distribution. You let them get into power and they will not stop until they deliver their vision. Punishing business and the rich is not the answer. Holland in France tried that too, it didn't work there either. You can raise tax to 70% or whatever you like but I can pretty much assure your revenue will be less in the long term, its proven. Unemployment will rise and welfare payments will increase, of course this is what Labour want, state dependants they can hand money out to who will vote for them in future. Corbyn is supported by Momentum, Milne (Momentum) now runs the Labour party...wake up!!. That unfunded manifesto is just the start of the destruction of Britain, those men hate this country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 28 July 2017 Share Posted 28 July 2017 6 minutes ago, Foxin_mad said: We want to be like China? pollution, limited health care, limited education, few decent universities, massive poverty, no safety standards, very very low paid work, poor human rights, limited Internet. I don't think we want to be like China! Now I would argue that we need to be able to compete with China to stop them taking all our manufacturing jobs, we can do this on quality but I do not think we really want to emulate them. Its only in recent years since they have began to become more open the lest communist they become. You were talking about socialism making countries poor. I've just shown this isn't true with the example of china and now you're moving the goalposts. Aside from suggesting that your problems with China sound like a list of tory ambitions, I'd love you to point out which of those are labour policy or which policies suggest to you that labour are communist. Labour clearly stand for socialism within the same broad framework as capatalism exists. I'd love to really debate issues with you fox but you really need to move away from labour = venezuela = communism = enemies of the west stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlueBrett Posted 28 July 2017 Share Posted 28 July 2017 1 minute ago, toddybad said: You were talking about socialism making countries poor. I've just shown this isn't true with the example of china and now you're moving the goalposts. Aside from suggesting that your problems with China sound like a list of tory ambitions, I'd love you to point out which of those are labour policy or which policies suggest to you that labour are communist. Labour clearly stand for socialism within the same broad framework as capatalism exists. I'd love to really debate issues with you fox but you really need to move away from labour = venezuela = communism = enemies of the west stuff. Do they? I know Corbyn mentioned revisiting the clause 4 debate about 18 months ago but pretty sure he's bottled it so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 28 July 2017 Share Posted 28 July 2017 1 minute ago, BlueBrett said: Do they? I know Corbyn mentioned revisiting the clause 4 debate about 18 months ago but pretty sure he's bottled it so far. even less for fox to worry about then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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