Guest Posted 25 July 2017 Share Posted 25 July 2017 Just now, Innovindil said: Happy to report quite a lot of my foodstuffs come from local farms/butchers tbh. But that's been true long before brexit was even an idea. Can't wait to get my own place so I can have a stab at growing my own stuff, countryfox got me jealous. Where you living at the moment? Growing your own is decent. Don't do much myself atm as renting so can't dig up half the garden but have a few things in pots. My only tip: if you grow rocket every other crop you have will be smashed my insects in hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innovindil Posted 25 July 2017 Share Posted 25 July 2017 Just now, toddybad said: Where you living at the moment? Growing your own is decent. Don't do much myself atm as renting so can't dig up half the garden but have a few things in pots. My only tip: if you grow rocket every other crop you have will be smashed my insects in hours. That's my problem, renting, not allowed to plant anything or make modifications to the tiny garden there is. 6-8 weeks should be in my own place then I can start planning for planting season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 25 July 2017 Share Posted 25 July 2017 Soaring NHS vacancies prompt warnings of 'desperate' understaffing https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jul/25/soaring-nhs-vacancies-prompt-warnings-of-understaffing-nursing?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 25 July 2017 Share Posted 25 July 2017 Front of the queue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain... Posted 25 July 2017 Share Posted 25 July 2017 8 minutes ago, Innovindil said: Happy to report quite a lot of my foodstuffs come from local farms/butchers tbh. But that's been true long before brexit was even an idea. Can't wait to get my own place so I can have a stab at growing my own stuff, countryfox got me jealous. 5 minutes ago, MattP said: Do try to buy British meat and usually always from local butchers, not always possible but like @Innovindil I've been doing that long before Brexit was spoken about. So not everything then? Where's the sacrifice, you voted to get us into this mess, you should be doing your bit to get us out of it... What's the brexiteer equivalent of a champagne socialist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 25 July 2017 Share Posted 25 July 2017 1 minute ago, Captain... said: So not everything then? Where's the sacrifice, you voted to get us into this mess, you should be doing your bit to get us out of it... What's the brexiteer equivalent of a champagne socialist? Black Pudding Capitalist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 25 July 2017 Share Posted 25 July 2017 10 minutes ago, Captain... said: That's pretty selfish (unless you think that we will remain in the single market) you have voted to harm international trade and set our producers and manufacturers at a competitive disadvantage yet refuse to support them by buying their produce. Shame on you. i do buy their produce, I also buy from the EU. If we leave the EU and don't have a deal, I won't buy from the competition, how is that selfish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 25 July 2017 Share Posted 25 July 2017 Interesting graph from Yougov - shows how brave Corbyn is in standing by his anti-EU beliefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 25 July 2017 Share Posted 25 July 2017 A fully electric version of the Mini will be built at the Cowley plant near Oxford, BMW has confirmed. BMW said that the car, which will be a variant of its existing three-door model, would go into production in 2019. The carmaker said Oxford would be the main "production location" for the Mini three-door model. However, the electric motor will be built in Germany before being shipped to Cowley for assembly. A BMW spokesman said the company "neither sought nor received" any reassurances from the UK government on post-Brexit trading arrangements. UK Business Secretary Greg Clark hailed BMW's announcement as a "vote of confidence" in government plans to make Britain "the go-to place in the world for the next generation of vehicles". On Monday, he set out plans to invest in development of battery technology in the UK. BMW said the move was part of a plan for electrified vehicles to account for between 15-25% of its sales by 2025. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain... Posted 25 July 2017 Share Posted 25 July 2017 3 minutes ago, MattP said: Front of the queue. Ha ha, what do you mean that isn't a joke? Surely that is an ironic tweet considering Trumps extreme protectionist agenda in the US. Also I don't know who he is working on this with, we are prohibited from negotiating trade deals until we actually leave the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Foxin_mad Posted 25 July 2017 Share Posted 25 July 2017 50 minutes ago, Captain... said: To be fair they aren't the ones saying no deal is better than a bad deal and threatening to walk away with nothing. I do believe that it is possible to leave the EU and be successful with minimal impact to business, but it is not the way we are currently doing it. We've rushed into it with no clear plan based on a referendum full of contradictory ideals. We still want to have our cake and eat it, if we had put a coherent well thought out exit strategy in place for Brexit before the referendum, rather than lies on the side of a bus, then I think there would be a lot less criticism, but at the moment it is a mess and there is one thing that markets hate and it is uncertainty. They are making threats and leaking things to the media though, some of the requirements they are requesting seem a bit ott and they seem unwilling to give any flexibility. The reason we are here is because the EU decided to ignore David Cameron's very reasonable requests and not give an inch, and the fact that Merkle and the EU made a complete and utter clusterfvck of the migrant crisis, one which they still have no grasp over!! Had they dealt with this in a reasonable and correct manner its perfectly reasonable to assume 5% of people might have voted differently. They should accept their responsibility for this mess too but wont because they think they are perfect. I think there is no plan because no one expected it to happen, they underestimated the will of the people, the remain campaign again was too negative and the Labour marketing machine failed to get into gear for this event. There are some cases where no deal would be better than a deal for instance where there is no impact on European businesses but there is on British ones. At the current time the market and currency do not seem to be particularly impacted and we are still growing albeit slowly. Labour can not even decide within their own party what route they want us to take either, but Corbyns seems adamant of taking us out of the single market, Stammer seems to think otherwise. The only party with a clear vision are the Lib Dems but no one ever votes for them because they tell the truth around difficult. Voters don't like the truth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 25 July 2017 Share Posted 25 July 2017 New Zealand will be "at or near the front of the queue" for a free trade deal with the UK after it leaves the European Union, Boris Johnson has said. During a visit to the country he also said Brexit was not about Britain becoming more isolationist. Instead it would give the UK an opportunity to "engage with the world again in a way that we haven't been able to do for 43 years", he said. He dismissed leadership talk, saying no one wanted "more political kerfuffle". Boris Johnson: Hongi greeting could be mistaken in Glasgow pub Brexit: Liam Fox sets election deadline for EU transition The foreign secretary was speaking at a press conference at New Zealand's parliament buildings in Wellington, during a two-day trip designed to strengthen ties with the Commonwealth state as the UK seeks new trading links after leaving the EU. "I can certainly tell you that New Zealand is at or near the very front of the queue," he told reporters. "The whole point is that the UK is not turning in as a result of Brexit - we are turning out. "We want to engage with the world again in a way that we haven't been able to do for 43 years - and we want to engage above all with our old friends and partners, like New Zealand." Britain cannot sign trade deals with third countries while it remains an EU member. Closer ties "We are leaving the EU, but we are not leaving Europe of course," Mr Johnson said. "And we are going to do, we hope, a great free trade deal with New Zealand." Brexit was not about people being "hostile to immigrants", he said, adding: "They weren't hostile to people with talents and energy coming to the UK - they just wanted to feel that the British government had a handle on it." Gerry Brownlee, New Zealand's foreign minister, said there was a "strong interest" in swiftly concluding a free trade agreement with the UK after Brexit, adding it will "bring our two countries close together". Media captionOn Monday the foreign secretary joked about the traditional 'hongi' greeting in New Zealand During a ceremony in Wellington, Mr Johnson was greeted by a shout of "Boris for PM" - but he played down the idea of him replacing Theresa May. "What the British people want to see is a government that gets on with the job and they've got that with Theresa and we are going to deliver a great Brexit deal," he said. "What the British people want to see is us getting on with the job. They see no need for any more political kerfuffle." He said any suggestion of discord in the Conservative Party had "completely passed me by". "Let's be clear, the election did not evolve entirely in the way the government had hoped or would have wanted.... I'm going to put that out," he said. "But the Labour Party did not win - they were 50 seats behind. We have a workable system of getting stuff through the House of Commons... we have a workable majority with our friends from Northern Ireland. "We are getting on with the business of governing, which is overwhelmingly what the British people want to see." Mr Johnson has now arrived in Australia on the latest leg of his nine-day international tour. The foreign secretary said post-Brexit trade would be "top of the agenda" for his visit. "The bonds of kinship between Britain and Australia are deep and enduring," he added. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 25 July 2017 Share Posted 25 July 2017 3 minutes ago, Captain... said: Ha ha, what do you mean that isn't a joke? Surely that is an ironic tweet considering Trumps extreme protectionist agenda in the US. Also I don't know who he is working on this with, we are prohibited from negotiating trade deals until we actually leave the EU. We can have informal discussion's but that's it, which says how absurd and what a cartel the EU is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain... Posted 25 July 2017 Share Posted 25 July 2017 4 minutes ago, Strokes said: i do buy their produce, I also buy from the EU. If we leave the EU and don't have a deal, I won't buy from the competition, how is that selfish? Because you voted for something that will harm UK producers, the least you could do is support them and not buy from their competitors in this country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innovindil Posted 25 July 2017 Share Posted 25 July 2017 10 minutes ago, Captain... said: So not everything then? Where's the sacrifice, you voted to get us into this mess, you should be doing your bit to get us out of it... What's the brexiteer equivalent of a champagne socialist? Well couldn't be everything could it. I can't get washing up liquid from the farm and I can't get a locally grown pineapple either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiberalFox Posted 25 July 2017 Share Posted 25 July 2017 All this "front of the queue" business sounds like a bunch of vultures squabbling over the chance to feast on a fresh carcass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 25 July 2017 Share Posted 25 July 2017 Just now, LiberalFox said: All this "front of the queue" business sounds like a bunch of vultures squabbling over the chance to feast on a fresh carcass. That's probably the Guardian headline tomorrow. "Bunch of vultures feast on Brexit carcass" "Trump deal to kill NHS by 2020" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 25 July 2017 Share Posted 25 July 2017 3 hours ago, Carl the Llama said: Not sure why gm keeps getting dropped into comments over the past few pages but as a quick aside if you have a blanket issue with genetic modification then either you don't really understand why you have a problem with it (probably some scary science stuff) or you're very clued up and you really do want the 3rd world to struggle to feed itself, have never kept any pets and have never eaten any high-quality meat nor bought vegetables from the supermarket. All of these things have benefited from gm in some way shape or form. Selective breeding is different from genetic modification. Yes you can breed 2 different cows to get a cow that produces more milk or beef but that's different to taking a gene from a fish and putting it in a tomato. They're making insect resistant crops, but without insects what do the birds eat? You're destroying the food chain .There are also questions of cross pollination with non GM crops in neighbouring fields , corporations who own the patent on seeds, meaning farmers can't grow their own seed. It's messing with nature and that never ends well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 25 July 2017 Share Posted 25 July 2017 Surprised this hasn't been posted since its in the Guardian. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/25/keir-starmer-article-50-law-firm-mishcon-de-reya-brexit He's turned the role down bit what was he even thinking even entering talks? As cleat a conflict of interest as I've seen in parliament for some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 25 July 2017 Share Posted 25 July 2017 20 minutes ago, Captain... said: So not everything then? Where's the sacrifice, you voted to get us into this mess, you should be doing your bit to get us out of it... What's the brexiteer equivalent of a champagne socialist? Were not in a mess, we haven't left yet and we don't know what the terms of exit will be. if British consumers start punishing the EU now, we lose the last bargaining chip, what we buy. Troll obvious. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Foxin_mad Posted 25 July 2017 Share Posted 25 July 2017 3 minutes ago, MattP said: Surprised this hasn't been posted since its in the Guardian. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/25/keir-starmer-article-50-law-firm-mishcon-de-reya-brexit He's turned the role down bit what was he even thinking even entering talks? As cleat a conflict of interest as I've seen in parliament for some time. I would expect nothing more from the dishonest bunch that call themselves the Liebour party. The more and more stuff I see I hope Vince Cable picks up quite a few votes and people educate themselves on the lies of Corbyn and co. I have never seen a more dishonest bunch so desperate to get into power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain... Posted 25 July 2017 Share Posted 25 July 2017 1 minute ago, MattP said: We can have informal discussion's but that's it, which says how absurd and what a cartel the EU is. No denying that, but it is no different to Trump's protectionist agenda, nor the protectionist agenda the UK will need to take if we completely abandon the EU. On the international scene the EU has protected us for years, we probably don't appreciate how much protection we got as part of the largest single trading bloc. We've already seen some of the demands countries will make to get a trade deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Foxin_mad Posted 25 July 2017 Share Posted 25 July 2017 Just now, Strokes said: Were not in a mess, we haven't left yet and we don't know what the terms of exit will be. if British consumers start punishing the EU now, we lose the last bargaining chip, what we buy. Troll obvious. Very true, I will continue to support the European business and buy the products I like from there at present as they have done nothing wrong. But if the EU acting on their behalf start trying to screw us over I will give up European products, there are alternatives South African, New Zealand, Australian and Californian wines are good, recently I have tried some cracking British wines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hundreds Posted 25 July 2017 Share Posted 25 July 2017 13 minutes ago, Webbo said: They're making insect resistant crops, but without insects what do the birds eat? Insect resistant crop resistant insects. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 25 July 2017 Share Posted 25 July 2017 29 minutes ago, MattP said: Front of the queue. As was said yesterday, if you think Trump cares about anything other than pandering to his own voter base - which means a deal that is overwhelmingly US favoured - then you haven't been paying attention. In any case, he's got other things to worry about right now - like his son in law being hauled up in front of a Senate committee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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