Unpopular Opinions You Hold

[leicsmac]

28 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

A diet coke version of the states without the economic growth probably

That's the best case scenario.

 

24 minutes ago, Sly said:

You can see how quickly the tide has turned against Starmer. So many people just didn’t vote Conservative as a change was required.
 

Labour have inflicted self harm on themselves, by going back on pledges. Rightly or wrongly, whether it needed doing or not, that’s what they’ll be remembered for.  
 

People will throw mud at Rishi but overall, he didn’t do a bad job, compared to the Cabbage Lady and Boris. 
 

I think whoever took this period in office, was always in for a bit of a torrid time.

 

Ultimately the rise of reform at the moment, will come off the back of the distrust in Starmer and his current strategy currently, then the cluster than was the previous four years of the Conservatives.
 

Four years is a long time though. We’ve got another 1,400+ newspaper headlines they’ve got to survive yet. It’s easy to reach the top of one mountain. Once you become the target for the British media, they will look to tear you apart, as so many see.  
 

Then we’ve always got the “Elon” impact. 

 

10 minutes ago, RoboFox said:

People have very, very short memories. Especially when it comes to politics. 

 

Most voters won't remember what Labour did in their first few months in office when we get to the next GE.

 

This is why they've acted quickly to get the controversial policies out of the way. 

I guess we'll find out in four years.

 

I just hope that I'm wrong.

[Tommy G]

18 minutes ago, RoboFox said:

People have very, very short memories. Especially when it comes to politics. 

 

Most voters won't remember what Labour did in their first few months in office when we get to the next GE.

 

This is why they've acted quickly to get the controversial policies out of the way. 

Hmm not sure that's true. 

 

Ask a pensioner - I guess the harsh reality of that is some won't be around in 4 odd years time!

[bovril]

Decent chance reform are the biggest party, and a lot of that will be down to the post brexit immigration regime. So quite ironic Farage might benefit.

1 hour ago, Dunge said:

I think this is a bold statement considering the political landscape of both countries right now.

It's not a bold statement. Even if the far right get in in those countries, which in Germany I don't think is that likely, they will not threaten their allies' territorial integrity as America has done.

[leicsmac]

10 minutes ago, bovril said:

Decent chance reform are the biggest party, and a lot of that will be down to the post brexit immigration regime. So quite ironic Farage might benefit.

It's not a bold statement. Even if the far right get in in those countries, which in Germany I don't think is that likely, they will not threaten their allies' territorial integrity as America has done.

This is in all likelihood true (unless resource issues become very stark), but sadly it's far from the only way for them to cause great harm and suffering.

[bovril]

23 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

This is in all likelihood true (unless resource issues become very stark), but sadly it's far from the only way for them to cause great harm and suffering.

I suppose we'll see. France and Germany aren't the countries I'm worried about at the moment but I guess for a lot of Anglos old fears die hard. 

[leicsmac]

6 minutes ago, bovril said:

I suppose we'll see. France and Germany aren't the countries I'm worried about at the moment but I guess for a lot of Anglos old fears die hard. 

Their harm would only be acted out at a local level if it occurs, so of course you're right to be worried about global actors with far greater influence acting similarly.

 

That doesn't mean that their harm won't be great at that local level and contribute to that overall rise in misery and suffering, though.

 

[Daggers]

"Hey, I know that the UK had the most right wing government in its history and everything went to shit - and the most right wing period during that 14yrs of disaster resulted in abject economic mayhem because the policies were completely un-costed, unworkable fruitloop - but you know what we need next? An even righter wing bunch of charlatans who barely ever turn up to Parliament or their constituencies because they're busy posting racist bullshit on Twitter."

 

Jesus fvck.

 

"But...but...he's a two-tier marxist and immigrants and Islam and stuff!"

 

I loathe almost everyone and everything these days. The world seems irredeemably stupid.

 

[bovril]

6 hours ago, RoboFox said:

 

I have plenty of friends who are massively into it too. Go whenever it comes to the UK. Book the day off work for the Superbowl. 

 

British fans who use the American pronunciation of certain words like 'dynasty' are very weird. Like I understand using the terms themselves in the context of US Football but why change the pron. Very cringey behaviour. 

[urban.spaceman]

31 minutes ago, Daggers said:

"Hey, I know that the UK had the most right wing government in its history and everything went to shit - and the most right wing period during that 14yrs of disaster resulted in abject economic mayhem because the policies were completely un-costed, unworkable fruitloop - but you know what we need next? An even righter wing bunch of charlatans who barely ever turn up to Parliament or their constituencies because they're busy posting racist bullshit on Twitter."

 

Jesus fvck.

 

"But...but...he's a two-tier marxist and immigrants and Islam and stuff!"

 

I loathe almost everyone and everything these days. The world seems irredeemably stupid.

 

That's the spirit

[leicsmac]

1 hour ago, Daggers said:

"Hey, I know that the UK had the most right wing government in its history and everything went to shit - and the most right wing period during that 14yrs of disaster resulted in abject economic mayhem because the policies were completely un-costed, unworkable fruitloop - but you know what we need next? An even righter wing bunch of charlatans who barely ever turn up to Parliament or their constituencies because they're busy posting racist bullshit on Twitter."

 

Jesus fvck.

 

"But...but...he's a two-tier marxist and immigrants and Islam and stuff!"

 

I loathe almost everyone and everything these days. The world seems irredeemably stupid.

 

And just at the time when the stakes have never been higher.

 

Fun, right?

[Daggers]

1 hour ago, leicsmac said:

And just at the time when the stakes have never been higher.

 

Fun, right?

I've never felt less inclined to do anything.

 

Give me a bottle of something and the dogs to sit at my feet and the view from the garden.

 

So absolutely depressing.

[leicsmac]

8 hours ago, Daggers said:

I've never felt less inclined to do anything.

 

Give me a bottle of something and the dogs to sit at my feet and the view from the garden.

 

So absolutely depressing.

I don't blame you in the slightest there.

[Trav Le Bleu]

8 hours ago, Daggers said:

 and the view from the garden.

 

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What... the curtains?

 

 

Eh, @Parafox?

[Sampson]

10 hours ago, Daggers said:

I've never felt less inclined to do anything.

 

Give me a bottle of something and the dogs to sit at my feet and the view from the garden.

 

So absolutely depressing.

Same. I’ve completely lost hope the past decade. People don’t believe facts anymore and believe lies and half truths and when you try and tell this to them you get accused of calling them stupid and get accused of talking down to them. I always believed in (and still do) Liberalism and Democracy and fell for the 90s/00s optimism that the world was going towards a federalised liberal democracy and autocracies were becoming rarer and rarer but since 2016 the world has flipped that on its head. 

I always believed humanity was ultimately good and would fix climate change and population ageing but I no longer believe that. It’s so hard to just not give up caring in the current political environment 

Edited 11 February by Sampson

[Parafox]

2 hours ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

What... the curtains?

 

 

Eh, @Parafox?

 

[Jabfox]

I wasn't a huge fan of Line of Duty

[bovril]

Interesting how many people believe that the crisis of confidence in 21st century liberal democracy is mostly down to fake news on social media, and not people noticing things about modern society which they don't like. 

[leicsmac]

4 minutes ago, bovril said:

Interesting how many people believe that the crisis of confidence in 21st century liberal democracy is mostly down to fake news on social media, and not people noticing things about modern society which they don't like. 

... which then leads to a most interesting problem where some of the things that people don't like are going to be essential to the future of any kind of society at all.

 

It's likely true that social media has merely acted as a force multiplier.

[HighPeakFox]

https://bylinetimes.com/2025/01/24/what-the-government-has-been-doing/

 

[grobyfox1990]

3 hours ago, Sampson said:

Same. I’ve completely lost hope the past decade. People don’t believe facts anymore and believe lies and half truths and when you try and tell this to them you get accused of calling them stupid and get accused of talking down to them. I always believed in (and still do) Liberalism and Democracy and fell for the 90s/00s optimism that the world was going towards a federalised liberal democracy and autocracies were becoming rarer and rarer but since 2016 the world has flipped that on its head. 

I always believed humanity was ultimately good and would fix climate change and population ageing but I no longer believe that. It’s so hard to just not give up caring in the current political environment 

If you’re consistently getting accused of treating people stupidly and talking down to them, it would prob be wise to assess how you’re communicating. I’m naturally liberal but leave the communication with daily mail readers to far cleverer people than me, who never get accused of the above 

[Torquay Gunner]

I worked in London for 20 years, leaving the South East in 2007.  The areas outside central London have alas always been pretty grimy.  No doubt on that score it compares unfavourably to every big European,  or non European city I have ever visited. 

Edited 11 February by Torquay Gunner

[leicsmac]

11 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

If you’re consistently getting accused of treating people stupidly and talking down to them, it would prob be wise to assess how you’re communicating. I’m naturally liberal but leave the communication with daily mail readers to far cleverer people than me, who never get accused of the above 

Communication, particularly effective communication on complex topics, is getting increasingly trickier just at the time when it is most needed.

[grobyfox1990]

7 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Communication, particularly effective communication on complex topics, is getting increasingly trickier just at the time when it is most needed.

That's why most people, especially those in this forum, should simply not even try. And when they spectacularly fail, not blame it on other people.

[Grebfromgrebland]

2 hours ago, HighPeakFox said:

I'm not going there. I am banned from General and it is better for my health that way.

All the cool kids are banned from general chat 

[Daggers]

25 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

https://bylinetimes.com/2025/01/24/what-the-government-has-been-doing/

 

The only issue I ever discussed on the doorstep was our condemned hospital. We had three party bigwigs come and promise us the new hospital that the Tories repeatedly promised us during the campaign - a message I relayed to doorsteps.

 

Labour cancelled any promise of a new hospital a month or so ago...and my future votes with it. Apparently we are going to have to make do for at least another ten years. Our MP has gone into hiding; she is refusing to answer any message sent demanding an explanation. I didn't use the words fvck, bastards, shit, or lying cvnts once.

 

Personally, as a now ex-party member and campaigner, I couldn't give less of a shit about "a blueprint for the digital centre of government to improve public services" or "contactless ticketing will be rolled out to 47 more railway stations" or "a consultation on increasing legal aid fees for immigration". Fvck all there make a jot of difference to Kettering. Have you heard anyone moaning about the lack of a "Nature Restoration Fund"?

 

I'm fvcking angry with the lot of them for the gaffs, idiotic priorities and the pisspoor communications - but I'm livid with them for the hospital lie and making me complicit in it. The administration has the stench of the death throes of the Brown government...and it's only just begun. Starmer is handing the UK over to the far right on a plate.