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[Raj]

This woman who's missing......

How many missing people a year in uk? How many get as much publicity and police hours as her case?

Why this case?

[Foxdiamond]

12 minutes ago, Raj said:

This woman who's missing......

How many missing people a year in uk? How many get as much publicity and police hours as her case?

Why this case?

I would imagine because it was a sudden disappearance of a women who was seen just before and phone and dog found abandoned and that she had just dropped kids off at school. Also there is a very understandable worry about the safety of women following recent cases.

[tom27111]

53 minutes ago, Raj said:

This woman who's missing......

How many missing people a year in uk? How many get as much publicity and police hours as her case?

Why this case?

 

36 minutes ago, Foxdiamond said:

I would imagine because it was a sudden disappearance of a women who was seen just before and phone and dog found abandoned and that she had just dropped kids off at school. Also there is a very understandable worry about the safety of women following recent cases.

 

It's a tough one isn't it.

 

As horrible as this sounds, it fits the narrative that interests the press.

 

The ultimate example this century is Madeline McCann, you think there'd have been as much coverage if it was a family from a council estate?

 

I caught a bit of a documentary about some women that were raped and murdered in the late 70's/early 80's and a journalist that covered the story said they only cared because they were young, blonde, white women.

 

If they were from a minority background, it never would have been a story.

[tom27111]

1 hour ago, Steve_Walsh5 said:

He will retire as the premier leagues all time top goalscorer. Trophy’s or not that’s some achievement.

 

Until Haaland overtakes him and it's second again for Kane 

[Foxdiamond]

3 minutes ago, tom27111 said:

 

 

It's a tough one isn't it.

 

As horrible as this sounds, it fits the narrative that interests the press.

 

The ultimate example this century is Madeline McCann, you think there'd have been as much coverage if it was a family from a council estate?

 

I caught a bit of a documentary about some women that were raped and murdered in the late 70's/early 80's and a journalist that covered the story said they only cared because they were young, blonde, white women.

 

If they were from a minority background, it never would have been a story.

I understand your points. Even back in the 50s the Ruth Ellis case attracted more public interest than that of a plain middle aged woman convicted of murder a short time before.

[Jimothy]

28 minutes ago, tom27111 said:

 

 

It's a tough one isn't it.

 

As horrible as this sounds, it fits the narrative that interests the press.

 

The ultimate example this century is Madeline McCann, you think there'd have been as much coverage if it was a family from a council estate?

 

I caught a bit of a documentary about some women that were raped and murdered in the late 70's/early 80's and a journalist that covered the story said they only cared because they were young, blonde, white women.

 

If they were from a minority background, it never would have been a story.

Its called Missing White Woman Syndrome. There's been studies done on it.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_white_woman_syndrome

[tom27111]

1 minute ago, Facecloth said:

Its called Missing White Woman Syndrome. There's been studies done on it.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_white_woman_syndrome

 

I don't condone it in any way whatsoever, but it's certainly a thing.

 

Thanks for that, I'll have a read.

 

As much as you'd like the world to move on and there be true equality, there's still massive discrimination in the mainstream press.

 

There's another discussion around that though.

[Foxdiamond]

41 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

Its called Missing White Woman Syndrome. There's been studies done on it.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_white_woman_syndrome

Seems odd that some of the examples were children and not adult women

[tom27111]

8 minutes ago, Foxdiamond said:

Seems odd that some of the examples were children and not adult women

 

It's the same theory though.

 

Child or adult, doesn't matter, but according to the press, class or skin colour does.

 

It's horrendous.

 

And the print press is dying, TV coverage is guilty of exactly the same thing.

[Foxdiamond]

6 minutes ago, tom27111 said:

 

It's the same theory though.

 

Child or adult, doesn't matter, but according to the press, class or skin colour does.

 

It's horrendous.

 

And the print press is dying, TV coverage is guilty of exactly the same thing.

Again I see your point but not accurate to describe a child as a women. There have been boy child victims as well but you would hope the press don't make this distinction. Sorry to appear pedantic. The class thing is a bit blurred too. I say this as a working class bloke. This is not to disagree with your central argument 

[tom27111]

1 minute ago, Foxdiamond said:

Again I see your point but not accurate to describe a child as a women. There have been boy child victims as well but you would hope the press don't make this distinction. Sorry to appear pedantic. The class thing is a bit blurred too. I say this as a working class bloke. This is not to disagree with your central argument 

 

Totally understand your point. No life is worth less than another.

 

But this is what the media push. 

 

Its wrong. Its as simple as that.

[Jon the Hat]

2 hours ago, tom27111 said:

 

I don't condone it in any way whatsoever, but it's certainly a thing.

 

Thanks for that, I'll have a read.

 

As much as you'd like the world to move on and there be true equality, there's still massive discrimination in the mainstream press.

 

There's another discussion around that though.

Hmm maybe, however you also have to recognize that people empathize with and relate more easily to people like themselves, so white people will no doubt be more interested in a missing white woman because they can relate it to themselves.  There is no surprise then that this white woman syndrome occurs in countries with a substantial while majority, and of course where that also is true of the media.

[tom27111]

10 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

Hmm maybe, however you also have to recognize that people empathize with and relate more easily to people like themselves, so white people will no doubt be more interested in a missing white woman because they can relate it to themselves.  There is no surprise then that this white woman syndrome occurs in countries with a substantial while majority, and of course where that also is true of the media.

 

But it's extremely disappointing as a multi-cultural society that others don't get the same coverage.

 

If an Asian woman went missing in Leicester, that story should get just as much coverage.

 

Why shouldn't it?

[Jon the Hat]

1 hour ago, tom27111 said:

 

But it's extremely disappointing as a multi-cultural society that others don't get the same coverage.

 

If an Asian woman went missing in Leicester, that story should get just as much coverage.

 

Why shouldn't it?

I'm not saying it shouldn't but the media reacts to the level of public attention, and the public reacts more to cases which reflect them.

[tom27111]

10 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

I'm not saying it shouldn't but the media reacts to the level of public attention, and the public reacts more to cases which reflect them.

 

Totally. That's how the media works.

 

But if the same thing happened to someone who lives on a council estate and comes from a minority background, should they not report the same?

 

We're majority a white country, but we have a large population that isn't white.

 

If someone goes missing/something else, no matter your race or skin colour, you want them home.

 

The press shouldn't jump on things just because it's a white person.

[filthyfox]

6 hours ago, Steve_Walsh5 said:

He will retire as the premier leagues all time top goalscorer. Trophy’s or not that’s some achievement.

...and nearly England's top goalscorer...  against Moldova

[Jon the Hat]

2 hours ago, tom27111 said:

 

Totally. That's how the media works.

 

But if the same thing happened to someone who lives on a council estate and comes from a minority background, should they not report the same?

 

We're majority a white country, but we have a large population that isn't white.

 

If someone goes missing/something else, no matter your race or skin colour, you want them home.

 

The press shouldn't jump on things just because it's a white person.

We have a free press, up to them whether they cater to the whole country or part of it I guess.  Clicks pay the bills.  Not the BBC of course, they should be completely fair in their coverage.

[Raj]

7 hours ago, tom27111 said:

 

 

It's a tough one isn't it.

 

As horrible as this sounds, it fits the narrative that interests the press.

 

The ultimate example this century is Madeline McCann, you think there'd have been as much coverage if it was a family from a council estate?

 

I caught a bit of a documentary about some women that were raped and murdered in the late 70's/early 80's and a journalist that covered the story said they only cared because they were young, blonde, white women.

 

If they were from a minority background, it never would have been a story.

My thoughts exactly but I'm glad you pointed it out and not me as I'd have a chip on my shoulder or something if I did!.

If this was Hussaina from St.Matthews disappearing around Haymarket, no media would care.

 

Edited 17 February 2023 by Raj

[grobyfox1990]

8 hours ago, tom27111 said:

 

 

It's a tough one isn't it.

 

As horrible as this sounds, it fits the narrative that interests the press.

 

The ultimate example this century is Madeline McCann, you think there'd have been as much coverage if it was a family from a council estate?

 

I caught a bit of a documentary about some women that were raped and murdered in the late 70's/early 80's and a journalist that covered the story said they only cared because they were young, blonde, white women.

 

If they were from a minority background, it never would have been a story.

Yeh and at a wider scale, possibly why there is such outcry at Ukraine and not towards Yemen. I don’t think I’ve seen one Yemeni flag hung, ‘WE ARE YEMEN’ social media tag or any such sympathy extended to them whilst the Saudis obliterate their country. You can empathise with the Ukrainians, they’re white, European, this kind of thing just doesn’t happen here etc etc. 

[Innovindil]

49 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

Yeh and at a wider scale, possibly why there is such outcry at Ukraine and not towards Yemen. I don’t think I’ve seen one Yemeni flag hung, ‘WE ARE YEMEN’ social media tag or any such sympathy extended to them whilst the Saudis obliterate their country. You can empathise with the Ukrainians, they’re white, European, this kind of thing just doesn’t happen here etc etc. 

The real question is why on earth would you want our media sticking their noses into a situation like Yemen? What good could possibly come out of jumping into a bunch of religious zealots civil war. 

 

The situation in Ukraine is hardly comparable. 

[grobyfox1990]

56 minutes ago, Innovindil said:

The real question is why on earth would you want our media sticking their noses into a situation like Yemen? What good could possibly come out of jumping into a bunch of religious zealots civil war. 

 

The situation in Ukraine is hardly comparable. 

A superpower crushing through a neighbour for soft power gains? 'Hardly comparable' is a massive stretch lol

[ealingfox]

Anyone who arranges their work leaving do for a Monday evening should be sacked on the spot to do us all a favour.

Edited 17 February 2023 by ealingfox

[grobyfox1990]

17 minutes ago, ealingfox said:

Anyone who arranges their work leaving do for a Monday evening should be sacked on the spot to do us all a favour.

I did that. Hopefully less people come so less people to put money behind the bar and put food on for, but you still get the benefit of a pre-collected leaving gift.

[ealingfox]

13 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

I did that. Hopefully less people come so less people to put money behind the bar and put food on for, but you still get the benefit of a pre-collected leaving gift.

 

If that was your aim you could have simply not had a leaving do? You'd still have gotten the gift.

[grobyfox1990]

2 minutes ago, ealingfox said:

 

If that was your aim you could have simply not had a leaving do? You'd still have gotten the gift.

True. But, some real industry leaders at my old firm, definitely need to keep in touch with them going forward and leave on a good impression. A leaving do was an absolute must for branding purposes, but I did not want to pay too much for it.