We are really missing the option of having a huge bully upfront.

[Heymister2015]

Rondon is the best big man in the league. Unfortunately he's in a side that are 50 yards down the pitch from him. Leicester should go for him 

[Lionheart10]

10 hours ago, FoxInTheBirstallBox said:

Big bully up front.... 

People suggest slimani....

 

Have people already forgot how many times he has shit out of tackles and never actually "Bullies" the players

 

If we want a bully up front, might aswell slap Maguire or iborra up front. At least they actually charge into people 

True,neither Slimani or Ulloa ever bullied any defence.

[Beechey]

3 hours ago, Captain... said:

I’m not saying Puel is absolved from blame, just that having 2 DMs isn’t negative if you have lots of attacking players freed up to attack. Mahrez can’t defend neither can Gray to get the best out of our attacking players you need people to do their defensive work. The problem wasn’t that James and Ndidi were controlling the midfield the problem was when they won the ball back and gave it to our creative players they didn’t do enough with it.

Exactly. We had 3 players in front of James and Ndidi who did precisely nothing for 75 minutes or so of the game. I didn't really see much good movement until Diabate came on, his runs were immediate.

[UPinCarolina]

1 hour ago, Beechey said:

Exactly. We had 3 players in front of James and Ndidi who did precisely nothing for 75 minutes or so of the game. I didn't really see much good movement until Diabate came on, his runs were immediate.

Diabate will be worth £35 million next season this time. Heard it here first.

[Royston.]

5 hours ago, UPinCarolina said:

Diabate will be worth £35 million next season this time. Heard it here first.

Good thing he has a £10 million release clause then..

[SpacedX]

9 hours ago, Col city fan said:

Quite some time ago, I think I wrote on here that I'd take Rondon as a target man.

And then somebody put up his stats, suggesting he's actually pretty crap.

They were right. Even though he's been played up front on his own for most of his time at West Brom (a difficult task in a shite team), he still ain't actually much good.

Did you watch him against Everton away?

 

He's also very strong. It's not often you see Huth muscled off the ball - remember his goal against us in March 2016?

[MPH]

18 hours ago, Line-X said:

Yeah, and I know how to spell "kangaroo" too, which is a bonus. A bid to try someone on the basis of guilt without sufficient evidence usually through group think or a mob rules mentality.  The phrase refers to injustice in the judicial system but can be used outside a legal context, such as the "kangaroo court of social media". Every week on FT players are singled out as scapegoats by the pitchfork wielding throng, usually on the post match thread or individual threads and frequently by members who don't attend the games), for examination by a panel of self appointed armchair experts - The accusations are read and the verdict invariably is that they are shite. 

 

You're right though - a more apposite term would be lynch mob. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My point is very simple - a complete over reaction and to call it a lynch mob is even funnier and less accurate than calling it a kangaroo court. Even in the context of the internet. The people you were quoting were simply saying we miss having the option of  having a target man. There's really nothing  else they were saying.

 

 

 

 

 And congratulations. you can spell better than someone who is Dyslexic. I usually have to spell check every post about ten times - even more so now i live in the states and they keep leaving vowels out! Very confusing!

 

 

Edited 27 February 2018 by MPH

[SpacedX]

5 hours ago, MPH said:

 

My point is very simple - a complete over reaction and to call it a lynch mob is even funnier and less accurate than calling it a kangaroo court. Even in the context of the internet. The people you were quoting were simply saying we miss having the option of  having a target man. There's really nothing  else they were saying.

Actually your "point" is off point. Had you followed the thread you would have seen this...

 

On 26/02/2018 at 09:09, Line-X said:

I was - I posted in the wrong thread...meant for the Chilwell lynch mob - apologies. 

 

I posted on the wrong thread which I had explained prior to your response...my bad, my stupid mistake - which I explained and apologised for. And I didn't "quote" anyone. I was referring to hatchet job threads on players that abound on this forum and in particular the tiresome negative content of the post match threads. 

 

5 hours ago, MPH said:

And congratulations. you can spell better than someone who is Dyslexic. I usually have to spell check every post about ten times - even more so now i live in the states and they keep leaving vowels out! Very confusing!

 

How do you know that I can spell better than you? Personally I think my spelling is atrocious...but if you're going to pull someone up on the meaning of a phrase at least check that you've typed it correctly - you can't blame my response. 

 

[MPH]

38 minutes ago, Line-X said:

Actually your "point" is off point. Had you followed the thread you would have seen this...

 

 

I posted on the wrong thread which I had explained prior to your response...my bad, my stupid mistake - which I explained and apologised for. And I didn't "quote" anyone. I was referring to hatchet job threads on players that abound on this forum and in particular the tiresome negative content of the post match threads. 

 

How do you know that I can spell better than you? Personally I think my spelling is atrocious...but if you're going to pull someone up on the meaning of a phrase at least check that you've typed it correctly - you can't blame my response. 

 

 

 

Do you not see the difference between spelling words and the meaning of them?

 

 

Goodness... you seem to just come here to look for arguments.

[NasPb]

Personally I believe that a Rondon could work. But where does he fit in ? And for how much? What would the team be with him?

[SpacedX]

1 hour ago, MPH said:

 

 

Do you not see the difference between spelling words and the meaning of them?

 

Yeah - and you were wrong on both counts.

 

1 hour ago, MPH said:

Goodness... you seem to just come here to look for arguments.

Says the one that originally looked for an argument. 

 

 - All of which has nothing to do with the OP as I explained.

 

So rather than derail this thread, do you think the era of the bully up front is consigned to history? And is that a good thing? 

[fuchsntf]

On 26.2.2018 at 20:31, Royston. said:

ulloa and slimani not good enough. especially as we didnt play a style that suited them.

 

now we've loaned them out we realise we do need to change the style to suit them/huge bully type?

 

obviously our weaknesses as a team are pretty evident and puel is trying and struggling to find a successful style..

 

unbelievable we are in 8th place although that probably has more to do with other teams being shít and equally as shít as each other.

Everybody seems determined to ,Put a downer on our 8th Position.

 

I for one dont believe the other Teams below us are Shit,I believe this season

has Like Last few seasons,a very strong bottom 15 Club Teams,with a Mix of

Average to good squads.Who's inconsistency,and twists on their Results,is down

to better quality Players spread through various Teams.Where 2-4injuries Hurt

them more. They have more technical nous,in Set Up and defending,than lower

PL Teams of the past. 

 

Whether some petulant,tribal bias fox-fans carry a dislike for various Clubs,or Take the

Idea that these new Wave smaller Clubs,are somewhat Poorer in Skill or quality,as the

so called bigger names,now struggling in the lower leagues,I argue Otherwise,and take

the other View Point. Swansea,Bournemouth,Watford,small london Club C.Palace,

And Burnley Play some damn good Football. Brighton Huddersfield,are Not mugs,

For the Promoted Teams.

Over my 60yrs of following,mainly My home town Club Leicester City,and a 2nd Love with,

BvB Dortmund(even before living in Germany)Then enjoying on many occasions being

a neutral onlooker,I See No reason in myself turning Into a grumpy old man,and a right

Miserable git.  IMO over all These years,I have Seen a great Improvement in Teams all

round Skill,and clever Game performances,but Just Like the "Gud ol' Days" 

All Teams Go through boring,below avg, frustrating periods of Form,even with

their so called top players supposedly  in Form.

 

Because of the Intoxication,Addition,growth of OTT positive or negative, reactions and opinions

Plus MoreTV-football Coverage ,also even more bias / oneway Media reporting,

and social Media with its fan-biased-based Forums,we can disect go again OTT with our

every Individual move ,Play,moment,Performance of Player,Team and Game.

We put idealogies,and achievements,on high pedestals,measuring every moment/Game,

in the great,but Not consistent periods of the Likes,of Brazil,Barcelona,Juve,RM,I.milan

Or Just taking our own Clubs,great moments and performances,then expect something

Like 80-90% of those Moments,to be re-performed and churned out through the whole season.

 

Look at Man.city being Classed and rated as one of the EPL's greatest ever Teams.

Think of Manutd,Leeds,Chelsea,Arsenal,Spurs....non of them went onto true greatness,

or even real Long dominant eras. Manutd, nearly!!! Liverpool actually did !!!

That so Called golden years of Leeds under Revie,never reached European success.

I find we do as fans  do too much OTT Performance detailed,with expected Outcome analyse.

We are more Cynical towards Individuals,and too easily disapointed in negative Game Results,

or Just avg-performances. And actually believe for some reason,more today that ones own Viewa amusinglyis so obvious its Just Common Sense,and any other thought is nonsense.

 

Football and politic Religion ,,hey !!!  Just proves every day,how far WE haven't Developed and evolved, into the wheel of true enlightment,and of Life.

We still need a Bully,for plan-B...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 27 February 2018 by fuchsntf

[fuchsntf]

On 26.2.2018 at 22:12, Captain... said:

I’m not saying Puel is absolved from blame, just that having 2 DMs isn’t negative if you have lots of attacking players freed up to attack. Mahrez can’t defend neither can Gray to get the best out of our attacking players you need people to do their defensive work. The problem wasn’t that James and Ndidi were controlling the midfield the problem was when they won the ball back and gave it to our creative players they didn’t do enough with it.

That is a very good relevant Point.

Plus If could also mean,that Puel Wants to See,while we are in a comfortable Position,

the variants we have when using pace,giving the younger players precedence.

He might actually rate Silva and Iborra,and also believes Drago "is" the future,but Wants

to Phase "the Club Captain" slowly Out.

Everybody believes this season Gray,even Next to ,Not instead of Mahrez,was going

to realise immediately His Potential, and a big Ditto for Nacho and Chils

So If you follow that reasoning or View,then its obvious to me,they will be given backing,

by giving them some decent Game-Time,with a good Run in the Side,and tweeking on

the variants of formations and positions,again concentration in that extra pace WE have

across the Squad.

If you Watched Puel over,the Last 3-4 Games Hes more animated,and Looks Like He Wants

and expected certain Things from the Team,and occasions Hes been unhappy,with certain

Issues,and certain Player Translation,of His ideas.I believe Puel is a Manager,that will Show

a certain amount of patience,If its not quite working .I dont believe He would dally, if he is

Not seeing adequate implementation,over a decent Period,plus His Substitutions could

well reflect His and Appletons needs to give Space to the Individual Games selected Team,

to get their ideas Into the Players..This is a rebuilding period,and we Fans will read our own

Bias self-opionatdd ideas into what we think is needed. Puel and Appleton will look at

the League,the Cup selections for their still early tenure,from a totally different Angle,

Indifferent to what,might be the beliefs or  Agenda from the terraces,also forums.

Results are frustrating,but I said from Puels 1st day,unless we get Stuck in the Relegation

Mire....

He from my Side has Carte-Blanche,until either EOS, preferably longer hoping that

we see then stability and continual Progress, in performances and holding a good high

Pl position. I expected inconsistencies,hiccups,mixed with good / Slipped Points because

thats Football..!! 

 

I do however think its fair,that fans will expect a consilidation and vent their views

Positive/ negative towards the end of the season,and deffo for Next season,on

Team and Puels performances.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[norwichfox]

We should let Newcastle mend Slimani whilst on their payroll and bring him back in the Summer....errrrr....maybe not....

[ZeGuy]

17 hours ago, Gerbold said:

As long as Vardy's potential is there, there's going to be no dramatic change to the system. However he's being starved of supply. Albrighton specialises in fast, head height crosses which aren't playing to Vardy's strengths. Albrighton lacks Mahrez's guile so he can;t get in close enough to create disorganisation. Of the masses of corners we had on Saturday did any reach a Leicester head - apart from in the crowd? The Vardy/Mahrez 'system' worked because of their skill-sets and the presence of Kante, Drinkwater and Okazaki. Kante and Drinky's passing supplemented Mahrez's's's's.

 

I doubt it's unwillingness or incompetence that's preventing Puel from adapting. Leicester, in some ways, are now a 'one-trick pony' - still good enough to give teams a [partial] roasting but not clicking well enough to be consistent.

It grieves me to think about the amount of money spent on players who've not been effective or fitted in [c.£63m] -  that no-one was thinking about how Kramaric, Musa, Slimani and Ulloa were going to fit into the system without the system changing. Now I've begun thinking that the unthinkable might need to happen - that Vardy, if he can't be supplied properly, as phenomenal as he is, might have to make way for another system. Some weeks ago I was answering the question, "is Vardy too good for Leicester" with some outrage. But unless they build a structure around him and allowing for Mahrez going - then how are City going to progress?

I don't think big, aggressive centre-forwards work any more - went out with the dinosaurs. Carroll is a throwback to that era and how successful has he been? Refs don't allow that kind of action any more - concuss defenders, break a goalie's neck kind of thing.

 

'TheMightySystem' wrote this, which I am largely in agreement with:

 

"While it would have been good on Saturday to have a Slimani or Ulloa we are in the process of changing our style which when complete, Slimani and Ulloa wouldn't fit into. Our issue is the lack of technical players on the pitch yesterday. For Puel's tactics to be a success there needs to be players in every position who feel comfortable on the ball and are good passers, as well as having good off the ball movement. Against Stoke only Maguire and Mahrez fit those criteria.

I think if he plays this team we will be a much better squad in using the ball and linking play."

 

I'm not sure that Puel is changing our style - the evidence isn't apparent yet - but that could well be what he's attempting to do. Much of TMS's mootings, if he's right, will depend on Diabate, Iborra and Silva - who are those type of players. But that's a lot of depending. I've admired Shaquiri for a while now. If Stoke go down he won't be short of suitors. (Sorry, Xherdan, I shouldn't have used that word).

I agree wholeheartedly with your first paragraph.

 

I think that we're on the same page here. I always wanted to take some distance from the title winning team and its style of play as one of the major contributing factors went to another club and the opponents ended reading our play way too well. And that right after 2015/16 season. Claudio sensed that too but his (?) new signings never filled the bill, for one reason or another. Shakespeare, as great coach as he was, never had a back strong enough to manage a PL club. We had to search for other ways to score and stop building the team around Vardy. But the latter (rightly) attained a legendary, fast mystical dimension, which made any alternative almost unthinkable. We'll have to look past it though as I don't think that he has more than one season  at full pace.

 

I don't entirely agree on the big CFs. The players you're referring to  are indeed too limited but there is a new, evolved version good in the air as well as with their feet (Morata, Lukaku, D.Costa just to name a few, Lewandowski being the actual pinnacle of this kind of strikers) that certainly has its place not only in this league but also in modern football. To the contrary of many here, I consider Slim to belong to this category albeit not with the same quality as the ones I cited (obviously). To the contrary of many here, I found that his link-up, runs and speed (for a big lump) good enough and he had a real knack for finding himself in scoring positions. Sure we can talk about his not so great first touch and his finish, but he still scored or assisted in almost every game he played. He'd have done good against teams like Stoke in the current state of the team and could have imo slotted even in a team with technical players only (D.Costa again comes to mind).

 

With this I come now to Puel your reference to "TheMightySystem"s post which raised some interesting points. Puel still has my full support despite the recent mixed results and I won't pass judgement before he has at least one more full season and a transfer window. TheMighty System is right when he said that Puel needs players comfortable with the ball to suit his system. At the beginning of his reign, we could clearly see what he had in mind and he didn't hesitate to make big decisions, notably shifting the team's center of gravity from Vardy to Mahrez, freeing the latter from defensive duties which killed his game and allowing him to roam free. The results were immediate, the points followed and we played some really pleasant football even if it was clear that it would take some time before the team fires on all cylinders, consistency being the key. Prime examples being Chelsea away, a game we should have won and one of the best 0-0 I've ever seen and the terrible games against Palace, Swansea and Watford.

 

Then why against Stoke, one of the defense of the league and prime relegation contender, at home, play James (tidy player but all in all just an upgraded version of Andy King), Morgan, Simpson and let Silva, Dragovic and Amartey who all are incomparably more comfortable on the ball if he wanted more "technical" players on the pitch? I don't buy the two defensive midfielders to compensate for Gray and Mahrez's lack of defensive abilities. Not against such a weak side at home. The team was basically split in two and having Morgan and Simpson at the back meant no build-up from the back and no overlapping on the right. James failed to put his stamp going forward, Gray was again a disappointement and we relied on "give it to Mahrez and hope something happens". Vardy didn't have a sniff, ending completely disinterested of what was happening on the pitch. We slowly reverted to the hoof shit, just like the worst days under Shakespeare or Ranieri (II).

 

Drawing against Stoke at home without even making a third sub (Silva) as it was so obvious that we needed a creative force in the midfield, was nothing short of criminal. I still can't work out what went through Puel's head and why he obstinately refused to bring Silva on. I'm starting to suspect that something happened in the dressing room, especially after the Mahrez failed transfer. Morgan and Simpson walking straight back to the XI is something worth questioning.

 

To be honest I'm not quite sure to follow Puel and have a hard time guessing what he really has in mind for this season. Due to the Mahrez saga, the 7th place is as good as gone, especially with easy points going so cheaply down the drain. We need 3-4 more points to stay up, so the focus should be on the Cup and the PL the place to experiment a bit with the new signings like the promising Diabaté, Silva who will never prove anything if he keeps being benched and Dragovic who's the future not Captain Morgan. After a strong start Puel seems to be confronted to the same situation Ranieri and Shakespeare had prior to their sacking.

 

Can't wait for the match against Bournemouth.

Edited 28 February 2018 by ZeGuy

[MPH]

17 hours ago, Line-X said:

Yeah - and you were wrong on both counts.

 

Says the one that originally looked for an argument. 

 

 - All of which has nothing to do with the OP as I explained.

 

So rather than derail this thread, do you think the era of the bully up front is consigned to history? And is that a good thing? 

Well if you are going to post in the wrong thread... how was it you phrased it? ' i cant be blamed for my response' 

[SpacedX]

3 hours ago, MPH said:

Well if you are going to post in the wrong thread... how was it you phrased it? ' i cant be blamed for my response' 

True...although if you were posting in it yourself, given that it is so short I would have thought you'd at least have been interested in reading it. 

[broughtonblue]

Read the title as ....missing huge belly up front! 

 

As an overweight 50 year old I nearly ran to find my old boots, but then realised I wouldn't be able to run all the way to my garage as it's about 20 meters away ?

[MPH]

On 2/28/2018 at 13:15, Line-X said:

True...although if you were posting in it yourself, given that it is so short I would have thought you'd at least have been interested in reading it. 

you cant tell me you read every post in a thread before posting  They are constantly updating themselves

Edited 2 March 2018 by MPH

[SpacedX]

18 minutes ago, MPH said:

you cant tell me you read every post in a thread before posting 

Which is precisely why I didn't tell you anything of the sort. All the information you needed was on the first page and 15 posts apart. 

 

At the point of your reply this thread was under two pages long. In a thread so short I would attempt to gather the facts before posting. I concede, it's unfortunate that I wasn't similarly as vigilant when I posted on the wrong topic. 

 

[MPH]

11 minutes ago, Line-X said:

Which is precisely why I didn't tell you anything of the sort. All the information you needed was on the first page and 15 posts apart. 

 

At the point of your reply this thread was under two pages long. In a thread so short I would attempt to gather the facts before posting. I concede, it's unfortunate that I wasn't similarly as vigilant when I posted on the wrong topic. 

 

You have the option of editing your post and saying it's in the wrong thread. If i cant take your post for face value, that's your problem not mine. 

Edited 2 March 2018 by MPH

[SpacedX]

3 minutes ago, MPH said:

You have the option of editing your post and saying it's in the wrong thread.

I did indeed. And I agree, that would have been the preferable option. 

 

4 minutes ago, MPH said:

If i cant take your post for face value, that's your problem not mine. 

It's not my problem at all. In fact it isn't really a problem at all. As I said. In a thread so short - personally I would read the posts and opinions of others. But as I said, that's a bit rich seeing as I posted on the wrong topic. 

[The Wizard]

Could do with a Steve Howard to hold the ball up n lay em off to Ian or Riyad.. I bet he's retired now... shame..