midland_red Posted 10 April 2019 Posted 10 April 2019 Bastard FA. What message does this send about racism? High marks to Padiham's manager and chairman over this... https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/apr/10/padliham-congleton-non-league-fined-leaving-pitch-racist-abuse-fans
Tuna Posted 10 April 2019 Posted 10 April 2019 Common Sense and Football Association are two things that do not go hand in hand.
yorkie1999 Posted 10 April 2019 Posted 10 April 2019 The fa can’t have insurgents taking matters into their own hands now can they....
CollinsLCFC Posted 11 April 2019 Posted 11 April 2019 Ridiculous. I wonder if it would have been different if it was a Prem/Championship Club, FA probably didn't expect this to be reported heavily and just brush the racism under the carpet. It seems every man and his dog are finally addressing and eager to actually Stand up to racism, apart from the FA. Unbelievable that the team who abandoned the game got fined more than the teams whose fans were being racist!
TheUltimateWinner Posted 11 April 2019 Posted 11 April 2019 I'll top you This team walked off as the linesman was racist... their team has been fined and their manager suspended. Meanwhile the match official who was racist is still allowed to officiate... how does that work?! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-47856492
Steven Posted 11 April 2019 Posted 11 April 2019 53 minutes ago, TheUltimateWinner said: I'll top you This team walked off as the linesman was racist... their team has been fined and their manager suspended. Meanwhile the match official who was racist is still allowed to officiate... how does that work?! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-47856492 Chairman Chris Eaton said "Respect works both ways, it must do.", except it seems if that involves the FA.
DB11 Posted 11 April 2019 Posted 11 April 2019 13 hours ago, midland_red said: Bastard FA. What message does this send about racism? High marks to Padiham's manager and chairman over this... https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/apr/10/padliham-congleton-non-league-fined-leaving-pitch-racist-abuse-fans There's no evidence shown in that article that anyone was racist so what are the FA meant to do? They can only deal with facts and evidence. 3 hours ago, TheUltimateWinner said: I'll top you This team walked off as the linesman was racist... their team has been fined and their manager suspended. Meanwhile the match official who was racist is still allowed to officiate... how does that work?! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-47856492 Likewise this, if there's no evidence what do you expect to happen? The team were losing and the only people that heard it were all on the bench for the losing team? Come on. I'm damn sure that if anyone heard it on the opposition bench they too would have made a stand as there's no place for racism in society. But on the facts given in the article, what do you propose happens? Let teams walk off the pitch when they're losing citing racism and then oh ok it might have happened it might not have but we'll replay the game/award you the game. Football is hardly the most sportsmanship sport at the best of time any opportunity to gain an advantage would immediately be abused if The FA set a precedent of making decisions without evidence to support them.
TheUltimateWinner Posted 11 April 2019 Posted 11 April 2019 32 minutes ago, DB11 said: There's no evidence shown in that article that anyone was racist so what are the FA meant to do? They can only deal with facts and evidence. Likewise this, if there's no evidence what do you expect to happen? The team were losing and the only people that heard it were all on the bench for the losing team? Come on. I'm damn sure that if anyone heard it on the opposition bench they too would have made a stand as there's no place for racism in society. But on the facts given in the article, what do you propose happens? Let teams walk off the pitch when they're losing citing racism and then oh ok it might have happened it might not have but we'll replay the game/award you the game. Football is hardly the most sportsmanship sport at the best of time any opportunity to gain an advantage would immediately be abused if The FA set a precedent of making decisions without evidence to support them. Updated article shows the charge was proven. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-47881830 If an official is being racist towards your players, not only is that out of order but it also would indicate he is biased in his decision making due to having a clear agenda against some of your players. Why wouldn't you abandon the game? Also, he was being racist!!! If I was racist to my colleagues I'd be sacked, I think that's fair in any organisation.
stripeyfox Posted 11 April 2019 Posted 11 April 2019 12 minutes ago, TheUltimateWinner said: Sorry mate, updated article shows the charge was proven. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-47881830 If an official is being racist towards your players, not only is that out of order but it also would indicate he is biased in his decision making due to having a clear agenda against some of your players. Why wouldn't you abandon the game? Also, he was being racist!!! If I was racist to my colleagues I'd be sacked, I think that's fair in any organisation. Not quite. It says he accepted the sanction against FA Rule E3, which deals with "foul and abusive" language, but that doesn't mean it was proven that he used racist language. You can't have teams walking off every time there is a racist comment. The correct course of action is to report it to the referee. Complete the game and then file a complaint with the relevant authorities. As DB11 says, giving teams licence to walk off and abandon games will immediately be abused.
purpleronnie Posted 11 April 2019 Posted 11 April 2019 2 minutes ago, stripeyfox said: Not quite. It says he accepted the sanction against FA Rule E3, which deals with "foul and abusive" language, but that doesn't mean it was proven that he used racist language. You can't have teams walking off every time there is a racist comment. The correct course of action is to report it to the referee. Complete the game and then file a complaint with the relevant authorities. As DB11 says, giving teams licence to walk off and abandon games will immediately be abused. True, I think it would be abused if teams can walk off, problem is there's so little done about racism that these acts will create discussion and hopefully change.
TheUltimateWinner Posted 11 April 2019 Posted 11 April 2019 12 minutes ago, stripeyfox said: Not quite. It says he accepted the sanction against FA Rule E3, which deals with "foul and abusive" language, but that doesn't mean it was proven that he used racist language. You can't have teams walking off every time there is a racist comment. The correct course of action is to report it to the referee. Complete the game and then file a complaint with the relevant authorities. As DB11 says, giving teams licence to walk off and abandon games will immediately be abused. There isn't a rule for racism is there? Meaning it would have to be filed under that (Correct me if I'm wrong). I agree having teams walk off when there's racism could set a dangerous precedent, however, if it is a match official who is being racist, surely the best course of action would be to abandon the game pending investigation? You can't continue a game when the officials have brought it in to disrepute and shown they are no longer impartial? I think what we can probably agree on is the rule book hasn't been updated nearly enough to specifiy a correct procedure for when something like this happens. Hence all this discussion. The truth is nobody knows what you should actually do if an incident like this occurs. Edit: the charge he was found guilty of is 'Aggrevated breach', which is this: (2) A breach of Rule E3(1) is an “Aggravated Breach” where it includes a reference, whether express or implied, to any one or more of the following :- ethnic origin, colour, race, nationality, religion or belief, gender, gender reassignment, sexual orientation or disability. So I think that's pretty proven to me!!!
Babylon Posted 11 April 2019 Posted 11 April 2019 17 hours ago, midland_red said: Bastard FA. What message does this send about racism? High marks to Padiham's manager and chairman over this... https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/apr/10/padliham-congleton-non-league-fined-leaving-pitch-racist-abuse-fans Unfortunately allowing clubs to walk off is going to set a dangerous precedent. It's not going to happen at higher levels of football, but how long before a team walks off falsely claiming racism when losing, or to try and take advantage of a situation. People will say this won't happen, but you've had clubs in top level rugby using fake bloody capsules to gain an advantage. Football players regularly fake injury or contact, or fake being hit by something from the crowd. I'd much rather teams followed the proper channels than walking off.
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