FA investigating Hamza

[BoyJones]

2 hours ago, maynefox said:

We all know that the FA is a stale pale male old boys club. Absolute disgraceful. Wayne Hennessey does a ****ing Nazi salute. Declan Rice states he supports the IRA. A terrorist organisation. Nothing happens to them? Clearly, the FA see a minority young man and punish them. I hate the FA they should be strung up by their balls. Absolute disgrace. 

Difficult not to agree with you mate. It's not as if Hamza tweeted anything that bad. Just a young kid having a laugh, mainly against his own people. Samuel L Jackson made his career out of the "N" word and everyone thinks he's the man.

 

Now if you are Deli Alli and you kick someone off the ball in the semi final of a European competition then that's ok, let's turn a blind eye. Violence is accepted by the FA, words are not. Happy to repeat the findings are an "absolute disgrace"

 

 

[RumbleFox]

I honestly cannot see why everyone is so up in arms about this.  He made racist tweets (the whole "yeah but he's black so it cannot be racist" thing literally sounds like a direct quote form David Brent) and was fined 5K which is pretty much nothing to a professional footballer.  I would have agreed with the annoyance had he received a big punishment or ban but this amounts to a slap on the wrist.  X

[UniFox21]

30 minutes ago, RumbleFox said:

I honestly cannot see why everyone is so up in arms about this.  He made racist tweets (the whole "yeah but he's black so it cannot be racist" thing literally sounds like a direct quote form David Brent) and was fined 5K which is pretty much nothing to a professional footballer.  I would have agreed with the annoyance had he received a big punishment or ban but this amounts to a slap on the wrist.  X

The annoyance for me comes more from the FA letting of Declan Rice for his tweet supporting the IRA (politically charged ik) and Hennessey for saying he had not knowledge on the Nazi's after pictured doing the salute.

 

And the fact he was 15, and is going on a course about future conduct for something that happened 5-6 years ago.

 

 

If they'd fined the other two, it's not as bad, but to not have fined them is where it looks a bit fishy.

[HighPeakFox]

I'm more annoyed about BBC hypocrisy over Danny Baker tbh, but I digress...

[volpeazzurro]

23 minutes ago, RumbleFox said:

I honestly cannot see why everyone is so up in arms about this.  He made racist tweets (the whole "yeah but he's black so it cannot be racist" thing literally sounds like a direct quote form David Brent) and was fined 5K which is pretty much nothing to a professional footballer.  I would have agreed with the annoyance had he received a big punishment or ban but this amounts to a slap on the wrist.  X

I do see your point, but for me it's not really that, but more similarly to Declan  Rice, the length of time ago and their ages at the time. There's just a whiff of hypocrisy there for me because how far do you take it. What if he was now 28 and a model seasoned professional. Or what if it was you or I in our fifties and someone suddenly found something that you'd perhaps written on the back of an old school book when you were 14? I suspect that most of us on here must have said or done something at that age that, with a bit of hindsight wasn't very wise but, short of it being a criminal offence of a reasonable magnitude, should it be looked at in retrospect and punishable now? Does it only apply now if we are in the public gaze?  I don't know whether was under any contract then or whether that's even relevant but I would suggest that like in criminal law you have to have a certain mens rea  ie, you have to be aware that what your doing is wrong. A child or an adult may not be able to recite the definition of theft but, even at a young age they usually know that stealing is wrong. When it comes to young teenagers and social media then however, what to adults in the particular society and it's rules we currently live under may now be deemed unacceptable, to a teenager five or six years ago it may have just be seen as exploritory on the edge acceptable humour. One would like to think now that at a very young age at an academy they have a huge input regarding the pitfalls of social media and how it can come back and haunt you,  I wonder if Hamza had any such thing?

[foxinsocks]

This case raises the issue of juristiction and time.  Can the fa go back over your whole life and charge you?  What if a player played in some other country where such comment was normal and legal but then moved to an English club?  Would the fa be able to trawl back through their digital history? 

I suspect the fa are a bit tin pot and are driven by media goading

[Ike O'Noclassed]

46 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

The annoyance for me comes more from the FA letting of Declan Rice for his tweet supporting the IRA (politically charged ik) and Hennessey for saying he had not knowledge on the Nazi's after pictured doing the salute.

 

And the fact he was 15, and is going on a course about future conduct for something that happened 5-6 years ago.

 

 

If they'd fined the other two, it's not as bad, but to not have fined them is where it looks a bit fishy.

 

Possibly the fact that whereas Choudhury admitted the charge, Hennessey denied his and his case was found not proven (possibly because the explanation was so ludicous it must have been  true) would explain the fines issue.

 

Rice was not charged so presumably his tweets did not merit a disciplinary charge and as far as I could see the FA's response to his up the RA tweets was more about the possibility that he'll be in the England team (and playing before their supporters) before long than any supposed transgression.

 

From Choudhury's charge sheet, it seems the offending tweets were over a prolonged period up to June 2014 by which time he was 16 going on 17 which suggests to me there could well have been plenty more of them which haven't been made public. As long as he's fessed up to them all, he should be able to quickly move on plus the bonus that the FA is nudging young players and Academy Directors to clear out these historical tweets and avoid such unpleasantness somewhere down the line.

[leicesterlad1989]

1 hour ago, RumbleFox said:

I honestly cannot see why everyone is so up in arms about this.  He made racist tweets (the whole "yeah but he's black so it cannot be racist" thing literally sounds like a direct quote form David Brent) and was fined 5K which is pretty much nothing to a professional footballer.  I would have agreed with the annoyance had he received a big punishment or ban but this amounts to a slap on the wrist.  X

If that FA were clear and transparent with their punishments, nobody would be up in arms regarding this. It's not the punishment that's actually the issue. £5k in the grand scheme of things if F-all.

 

When you have the likes of Phil Neville (England Lioness' manager) making sexist and offensive tweets and getting away with it. Declan Rice (at the time we were luring him away from Ireland) making references to the IRA and getting a slap on the wrist. Even if you go back 20 years, remember the Shearer / Lennon incident? It feels like it all depends on your status as to what punishment you receive to fit the 'crime.'

 

Also, where do you draw the line? Is there an age cut off? Is there a length of time in which the 'crime' is punishable for? 

 

If this is the way the FA and society in general is moving then serious time and effort needs to be put in to educate youngsters about social media and the implications it can have. Thank god I'm unlikely to be famous. Some of the things I've written in my youth make me cringe. 

[The Quick Brown Fox]

I think the biggest thing about all of this and the punishment is the fact Hamza admitted to it and accepted it. Seems like he just wants to put it behind him and move forward. If you don't agree with it then there's not alot you can do. This will all be forgotten about in weeks anyway. 

Time for everyone to move on. 

[srex9]

On 11/05/2019 at 08:14, RumbleFox said:

I honestly cannot see why everyone is so up in arms about this.  He made racist tweets (the whole "yeah but he's black so it cannot be racist" thing literally sounds like a direct quote form David Brent) and was fined 5K which is pretty much nothing to a professional footballer.  I would have agreed with the annoyance had he received a big punishment or ban but this amounts to a slap on the wrist.  X

It's the fact it even got made into an issue in the first place. It's dumb.