FA investigating Hamza

[jammie82uk]

Apparently there are some tweets being looked at as part of this investigation regarding comments he’s made to friends on Twitter And it Looks like Southgate could have already helped by what he said previously:

 

“He’s apologised,” said Southgate, conscious the FA has consistently appealed for England supporters not to engage in anti-IRA chants. “It’s not representative of what Declan believes and feels, and his views. And outside of that, the obvious point is that this was when he was 15 or 16 when he was engaged in a social conversation with friends.

[st albans fox]

The only journo I have heard stating that hamza should take his punishment is Adrian duhram .......... says it all I guess ...... 

[HybridFox]

It will get overshadowed by the Man City win, but him and N'Didi played an absolute blinder in midfield today considering what's gone on.

 

Bodes well for the future and there were glimpses he can play it forward too. Especially the Kelechi chance.

[UpTheLeagueFox]

12 hours ago, st albans fox said:

The only journo I have heard stating that hamza should take his punishment is Adrian duhram .......... says it all I guess ...... 

Ade is a good mate of mine but if he said that, I disagree wholeheartedly.

He's a shock jock effectively on Drive and I have to turn him off at times.

However, on a Saturday for 'Around The Grounds' he's absolutely sensational.

[st albans fox]

5 hours ago, UpTheLeagueFox said:

Ade is a good mate of mine but if he said that, I disagree wholeheartedly.

He's a shock jock effectively on Drive and I have to turn him off at times.

However, on a Saturday for 'Around The Grounds' he's absolutely sensational.

Was a response in the immediate aftermath Geoff - he has the facts and chose to ignore the relevant one that hamza was a ‘child’ etc etc 

 

i was quite surprised as I expected him to take the exact opposite position when I turned on the radio to drive home 

[CosbehFox]

I can tell you what's going to happen now. 

 

Hamza will get called up to the England Under 21s and there will be no punishment. The FA won't want to be seen punishing 'one of their own'. 

[Ric Flair]

He is a very unusual player, really think we have a rare talent. He's a good passer of the ball which will stand him in good stead to really progress as a versatile midfielder. That tackle and pass for Iheanacho was unreal. 

[Foxxed]

20 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

He is a very unusual player, really think we have a rare talent. He's a good passer of the ball which will stand him in good stead to really progress as a versatile midfielder. That tackle and pass for Iheanacho was unreal. 

Really looking forward to watching him develop. He has to be starting more than the 12 games against the top six.

[Babylon]

10 minutes ago, Foxxed said:

Really looking forward to watching him develop. He has to be starting more than the 12 games against the top six.

Where though? Problem is we already have an absolute destroyer in N'did. 

[GingerrrFox]

3 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Where though? Problem is we already have an absolute destroyer in N'did. 

Yesterday proved how much we are lacking a capable holding midfielder on the ball when Ndidi plays that role. If Hamza proves himself to be a better distributor of the ball in that holding midfield role then he has to replace Ndidi for me, that was the clear area where Man City were better than us last night, it prevents the team from transitioning effectively in possession. 

[Babylon]

8 minutes ago, GingerrrFox said:

Yesterday proved how much we are lacking a capable holding midfielder on the ball when Ndidi plays that role. If Hamza proves himself to be a better distributor of the ball in that holding midfield role then he has to replace Ndidi for me, that was the clear area where Man City were better than us last night, it prevents the team from transitioning effectively in possession. 

Yesterday we played against one of the best teams the league has ever seen. You might gain someone slightly better on the ball, but for me he's not as good at the break up play. 

[davieG]

Hamza Choudhury: By charging Leicester City star, the FA continue to set a dangerous precedent
Choudury became the third high-profile 15-year-old to have offensive social media posts resurface

Tom Kershaw @trlkershaw
1 hour ago 
 

Hamza Choudhury was 10 years old, playing for Leicester’s academy, when he first experienced racial abuse. The parent of a child on the opposite team had begun shouting insults from the sidelines that he didn’t understand and, after the game, Choudhury’s mother, a Bengali Muslim, took him to the side of the pitch to explain what had happened and why in all likelihood it would again.

The first player of Bangladeshi descent to breakthrough into the Premier League, Choudhury was always aware of the stereotypes which follow him. “There have been other Asian boys in the academy here,” Choudhury said in an interview with The Times. “There was one who lived not far from me who was here until under-14s. Another Asian boy was here for a year or so and then he went to Northampton, I think… but no, there aren’t many.”

Last week, Choudhury was charged with “aggravated misconduct” by the Football Association relating to a racist joke he posted on Twitter when he was 15 years old. “Why are black people so fast,” the tweet in question read. “Because the slow ones are in prison.” But while being a target of racial abuse certainly doesn’t preclude someone from being a perpetrator themselves, it is foolish ground to assume Choudhury is a racist of any degree some six years later.

Choudhury hadn’t taken his GSCEs, his first professional appearance was still a pipe dream and he could not have begun to understand the responsibility he would later hold when he made that tweet in 2013. It doesn’t excuse his action but since resurfacing, Choudhury has shown remorse, issued a statement of public apology and deleted his Twitter account. In short, he is no longer that boy anymore. He is a 21-year-old man mature beyond his years, an endearing character within the Leicester dressing room and a player who has been outspoken in his desire to help set a level playing field.

The FA’s decision then to punish Choudhury retrospectively is a strange and dangerous precedent. Just like the homophobic tweets made by Mason Holgate and Declan Rice’s pro-IRA Instagram comment – also both at 15 - it’s an open floodgate to inspect and scrutinise every publicly aired thought of each young teenager. They make mistakes, particularly on social media. The majority won’t be quite as severe as those already mentioned, but there will be misgivings to be found against everyone to some margin or another; footballer or not.

The decision to charge Choudhury is equally troubling since it comes in wake of the farce over Wayne Hennessey’s exoneration. The 32-year-old Crystal Palace goalkeeper, who appeared to make a Nazi salute in a photo taken by a German teammate during a team dinner, yet mounted a defence based on total ignorance and unfortunate coincidences regarding an inattentive waiter.

Hennessey successfully convinced two members of a three-man panel that he had next to no knowledge of the Nazis, Adolf Hitler and the Second World War, despite it later emerging that he had visited a memorial to its predecessor in Belgium in 2014. History and its ramifications sank into an undocumented blind spot after that point.

Wayne Hennessey escaped punishment after appearing to make a Nazi salute (Getty)
Hennessey’s excuse was deemed valid by the FA. Choudhury’s offence – made at half Hennessey’s age - received no such reprieve.

Choudhury’s tweets themselves do not deserve defending, but the FA must acknowledge that something said as an immature, temperamental 15-year-old should be treated as such and help protect players so undeveloped and irresponsible views cannot later be dredged up and cast as a tarnishing brush.

Choudhury has the potential to become an icon of the game for young British-Asian footballers. The FA should leave him to flourish as such. The embarrassment of the whole episode has already served to punish him enough.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/hamza-choudhury-tweets-leicester-declan-rice-fa-charge-epl-a8902276.html

[Foxxed]

31 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Where though? Problem is we already have an absolute destroyer in N'did. 

Hamza will need to develop into a different player than Ndidi.

 

Ric Evan Mag Chill

            Ndidi

Bar Tiele Hamz Madd

            Vardy

 

Maddison won't get in the England team as a number 10 anyway, and he'll move into the centre when Chilwell moves up.

[lcfc sheff]

Hamza is becoming a decent box to box player, think he could improve on bringing the ball forward with his pace a little more but that’ll come with more game time. 

 

I’m so excited to see him grow with us, always saw him playing for us even after an indifferent period at burton Albion but people don’t seem to realise that’s all part of the development process.

 

He’ll be captain within 3 years.

[Babylon]

I'm glad quite a few journo's have talked about how ridiculous it is now, I thought it was going to go under the radar. 

[Mehrez]

Fined £5000, no ban - http://www.thefa.com/news/2019/may/02/hamza-choudhury-fined-100519

[UniFox21]

5k and made to go to a course. Was there really much point?

 

[les-tah]

On 07/05/2019 at 10:59, lcfc sheff said:

Hamza is becoming a decent box to box player, think he could improve on bringing the ball forward with his pace a little more but that’ll come with more game time. 

 

I’m so excited to see him grow with us, always saw him playing for us even after an indifferent period at burton Albion but people don’t seem to realise that’s all part of the development process.

 

He’ll be captain within 3 years.

could say that about all our young players

[Foxxed]

He breached the FA's rules by failing to delete a tweet he tweeted when he was 15 and then forgot about. Joke.

[Guest ttfn]

17 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

5k and made to go to a course. Was there really much point?

 

Unless the course is for time travel I struggle to see the point.

[Manwell Pablo]

15 minutes ago, Foxxed said:

He breached the FA's rules by failing to delete a tweet he tweeted when he was 15 and then forgot about. Joke.

 

Think we can all live with the outcome thought, time to move on.

[urban.spaceman]

That’ll teach him to not do things in the past. 

[Voll Blau]

I just hope and pray our own merry (and thankfully minor) band of social media virgins don't now copy 'Arsenal Twitter' and start doing trawls of opposition players' old posts every time one plays well against us.

[Guest Bob Hazels shorts]

Absolutely too pathetic and baffling for words.

 

The worlds on snowflake meltdown and looks likely to implode.

 

When will all of this silly nonsense end?

[Manwell Pablo]

4 minutes ago, Bob Hazels shorts said:

Absolutely too pathetic and baffling for words.

 

The worlds on snowflake meltdown and looks likely to implode.

 

When will all of this silly nonsense end?

 

It was a pretty offensive joke to be fair. I get that he was 15 had a lot of growing up to do and punishing him years later may not be appropriate. But I don't think being offended by a joke implying black people are only not serving time at her majestys pleasure if they can sprint fast enough to avoid arrest constitutes a "snow flake"