FA investigating Hamza

[Suzie the Fox]

I just hope all this hasn't unsettled him. Like i said in a previous post when the news hit he had a great game and all this has shadowed his performance.

 

Would be the perfect game to score his 1st ? for City and give a proverbial middle finger to the Arsenal twat who reported him.   

[Babylon]

3 hours ago, Finnegan said:

 

It's still there visible on his page, it was there to be found, a view the world considers him to endorse by its existence. He's seen footballers, rugby players, film directors, comedians, politicians and actors all get in trouble for historic (and current) tweets over the last few years and he's still never removed them. 

 

Hamza Choudhary isn't in trouble for what he said when he was 15, he's in trouble for what was on his social media account now in the real time, regardless of how long ago it was posted. He is currently a Premier League footballer and he currently has (or had, I assume they are at least gone now) views on his feed that breach the league's ethical standards. 

 

To reiterate, as I've done several times now, I don't like this, I don't agree with it, I hate both twitter and it being weaponised, I 100% sympathise with Hamza and I'm glad to be extremely confident this is a storm in a teacup that will have absolutely no impact on his long term career. 

 

It's disgustingly petty by the Arsenal fans, they should be ****ing ashamed of themselves, looking for ways to assassinate the character of a young man purely because he best you at sport is absolutely shameful. 

 

I just don't think the FA have done anything wrong (yet) in this case and I think people are targeting their outrage in the wrong direction. I think it's important we have a code of conduct in British sport and I'm fairly confident that Hamza Choudhary of 2019, as the league's most significant (if not only) British Asian heritage footballer would agree. But to do that they have to take any and all incidents seriously. If its a small fine and maybe even a small ban I really don't think it's too hard a price to pay to teach the players at Leicester to be more sensitive with their online use. 

 

It's just a shame they weren't stronger with Rice, to which I do agree. 

Anything other than saying he was 15 at the time and he’s made it clear he no longer holds those views so there is no punishment would be an absolute travesty!

 

Suggesting he still promotes those views because they are still on his feed just doesn’t compute with me. Nobody should be expected to go back through your entire life erasing things you no longer agree with... especially when they were said as a minor.

[UniFox21]

6 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Anything other than saying he was 15 at the time and he’s made it clear he no longer holds those views so there is no punishment would be an absolute travesty!

 

Suggesting because he still promotes those views because they are still on his feed just doesn’t compute with me. Nobody should be expected to go back through your entire life erasing things you no longer agree with... especially when they were said as a minor.

They simply can't punish him; Declan Rice was promoting the IRA at 15 and got away with a telling off. 

If they punish him they'll be lucky if people don't start drawing the comparison of race between the two.

[foxile5]

14 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

They simply can't punish him; Declan Rice was promoting the IRA at 15 and got away with a telling off. 

If they punish him they'll be lucky if people don't start drawing the comparison of race between the two.

What's stopping you doing it now? Go kick up a stink on their twitter feed. 

[Finnegan]

2 hours ago, Babylon said:

Anything other than saying he was 15 at the time and he’s made it clear he no longer holds those views so there is no punishment would be an absolute travesty!

 

Suggesting he still promotes those views because they are still on his feed just doesn’t compute with me. Nobody should be expected to go back through your entire life erasing things you no longer agree with... especially when they were said as a minor.

 

If those things "you no longer agree with" are quite obviously offensive views that breach the ethics of the sport then that's exactly what's expected of professionals and is exactly the point.

 

Again, for the Nth time, do I like that? No. But it's clearly what is the present let alone the future and the quicker our players learn that the better.

 

I'm extremely confident that the people at the FA who have been tasked with investigating this will have rolled their eyes and gone "jesus, kids are stupid" and that's about it. Literally nobody from the top of the FA to the bottom feeders of the Arsenal twitterati have ACTUALLY really been triggered or offended by a cringey little fifteen year old posting rubbish on twitter but the former do clearly want to make an example that players of all ages do need to be extremely mindful of what content is on their feed, however far back.

 

That's literally all this is and this thread is about eleven pages too long full of indignant overreactions to the FA quite obviously going about enforcing a policy that's not exactly revolutionary or groundbreaking in any area of the professional entertainment industry.

 

Did I like it when Kevin Hart lost the Oscars? No. Did I like it when James Gunn lost Guardians? No. Did I actually like it when Rice was investigated? No. But it is what it is and anyone that's shocked or surprised by Hamza being charged needs to catch up to 2019, especially if they're a player at this club.

[RumbleFox]

52 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

If those things "you no longer agree with" are quite obviously offensive views that breach the ethics of the sport then that's exactly what's expected of professionals and is exactly the point.

 

Again, for the Nth time, do I like that? No. But it's clearly what is the present let alone the future and the quicker our players learn that the better.

 

I'm extremely confident that the people at the FA who have been tasked with investigating this will have rolled their eyes and gone "jesus, kids are stupid" and that's about it. Literally nobody from the top of the FA to the bottom feeders of the Arsenal twitterati have ACTUALLY really been triggered or offended by a cringey little fifteen year old posting rubbish on twitter but the former do clearly want to make an example that players of all ages do need to be extremely mindful of what content is on their feed, however far back.

 

That's literally all this is and this thread is about eleven pages too long full of indignant overreactions to the FA quite obviously going about enforcing a policy that's not exactly revolutionary or groundbreaking in any area of the professional entertainment industry.

 

Did I like it when Kevin Hart lost the Oscars? No. Did I like it when James Gunn lost Guardians? No. Did I actually like it when Rice was investigated? No. But it is what it is and anyone that's shocked or surprised by Hamza being charged needs to catch up to 2019, especially if they're a player at this club.

All of your posts on this have been very well reasoned and balanced, it is a shame the general conversation is so polarised.  I posted something with a similar sentiment and it was met with equal resistance.  Online forums tend to express two viewports with very little room for grey so it is nice to see some.  From reading this thread one would assume there were only two viewpoints "kill Hamza" or "kill the FA" which is a shame.  Just as you have been forced to caveat your every post I will too........  I think Hamza should face no punishment.  He seems sorry for his actions so a slap on the wrist should be enough.  I dislike online mobs/witch hunts.  However, the reaction is so totally over the top on here its like people complaining about vegan sausage rolls.  He is in the public domain and still was at the age of 15 (he was still a young footballer with a biggish team).  He made silly comments, not just to his pals but on an online forum.  His comments were both racist and sexist and unfortunately, as someone in the public arena, he is held up to higher standards.  With race relations in football still an important issue the FA has to be SEEN to take these things seriously (another caveat... yes, even though trawling up a 15 year old post's is petty and probably unnecessary).  As long as he is given a slap on the wrists and nothing more then the FA really has done nothing for anyone to get too annoyed about.  On another note, I must admit that even at 15 I never made racist or sexist jokes and, if I had (and posted them online) and I worked for a customer facing employer I would take on the chin any form of "telling off" if my posts surfaced and caused my employer negative PR.

 

Anyhoo, I fear people will straw man my post (as they have yours) but I read your posts with interest, thanks.

 

X

[Trav Le Bleu]

40 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

If those things "you no longer agree with" are quite obviously offensive views that breach the ethics of the sport then that's exactly what's expected of professionals and is exactly the point.

 

Again, for the Nth time, do I like that? No. But it's clearly what is the present let alone the future and the quicker our players learn that the better.

 

I'm extremely confident that the people at the FA who have been tasked with investigating this will have rolled their eyes and gone "jesus, kids are stupid" and that's about it. Literally nobody from the top of the FA to the bottom feeders of the Arsenal twitterati have ACTUALLY really been triggered or offended by a cringey little fifteen year old posting rubbish on twitter but the former do clearly want to make an example that players of all ages do need to be extremely mindful of what content is on their feed, however far back.

 

That's literally all this is and this thread is about eleven pages too long full of indignant overreactions to the FA quite obviously going about enforcing a policy that's not exactly revolutionary or groundbreaking in any area of the professional entertainment industry.

 

Did I like it when Kevin Hart lost the Oscars? No. Did I like it when James Gunn lost Guardians? No. Did I actually like it when Rice was investigated? No. But it is what it is and anyone that's shocked or surprised by Hamza being charged needs to catch up to 2019, especially if they're a player at this club.

So are you saying you "like" women's football then?

[HighPeakFox]

I'm with @Finnegan and @RumbleFox.

[Foxxed]

Has Hamza Choudhury broken the FA's ethicial standards on racism and homophobia, standards he was too young to know about, too young to be subjected to and too inexperienced in life and too emotionally immature to understand, by failing to remember and remove six year old Tweets, tweets penned by a prepubescent? And these broken ethical standards, found by digging up a child's certainly forgotten six year Tweets, include racism against his father's and his own race, homophobia by using unsavory but common childhood terms and by expressing views that are largely ignored when they come from the mouth of a child. The FA said yes. The FA are insane.

[RumbleFox]

1 minute ago, HighPeakFox said:

I'm with @Finnegan and @RumbleFox.

I love you.  X

[Ric Flair]

1 hour ago, Finnegan said:

 

If those things "you no longer agree with" are quite obviously offensive views that breach the ethics of the sport then that's exactly what's expected of professionals and is exactly the point.

 

Again, for the Nth time, do I like that? No. But it's clearly what is the present let alone the future and the quicker our players learn that the better.

 

I'm extremely confident that the people at the FA who have been tasked with investigating this will have rolled their eyes and gone "jesus, kids are stupid" and that's about it. Literally nobody from the top of the FA to the bottom feeders of the Arsenal twitterati have ACTUALLY really been triggered or offended by a cringey little fifteen year old posting rubbish on twitter but the former do clearly want to make an example that players of all ages do need to be extremely mindful of what content is on their feed, however far back.

 

That's literally all this is and this thread is about eleven pages too long full of indignant overreactions to the FA quite obviously going about enforcing a policy that's not exactly revolutionary or groundbreaking in any area of the professional entertainment industry.

 

Did I like it when Kevin Hart lost the Oscars? No. Did I like it when James Gunn lost Guardians? No. Did I actually like it when Rice was investigated? No. But it is what it is and anyone that's shocked or surprised by Hamza being charged needs to catch up to 2019, especially if they're a player at this club.

But 2019 for the FA is still so inconsistent that of course you are going to get people up in arms about this. You are absolutely right that people shouldn't be shocked that charges have been brought but society will always go tit for tat.

 

Look at some rules the FA do enforce and people still moan, such as being booked for removing your shirt regardless of the significance for doing it. They demand all refs to do so and they carry this out accordingly. Imagine if this was as erratic as what the FA appear to be doing with dealing with social media issues? 

 

It surely can't be difficult for them to find some simplified way of fairly dealing with this, even if it was a case of all cases like Hamza or Rice's are announced to be formally investigated and then charges etc are decided after thorough consideration. But to wade straight in here with a chathe when they haven't dished them out to others is laughable. 

 

They aren't fit for purpose, absolute clowns.

[Finnegan]

54 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

So are you saying you "like" women's football then?

 

I'd answer that three ways:

 

1. I'm not Hamza, I'm not a professional footballer. Sadly for Hamza (and extremely fortunately for me) we're held to different standards in what we post online. Quite clearly I could get away with calling women's football shit if I wanted to because my views online are irrelevant to the sport. Sadly for Hamza he isn't. I would remind you that Hamza hasn't broken any laws mind, he is free to express any of these views it's just the FA is also free to pick and choose who can play. 

 

2. As a local government employee there definitely are things that I couldn't get away with saying on twitter or Facebook, however, regardless of whether or not it's my own personal feed or when I posted comments that are still live on there. I have a Co-worker who got a final written warning a couple years ago and now no longer works for the authority because he was sharing Islamophobic content on Facebook and one of our peers grassed him up to management. So even if I hated women's football, if its something I could be sacked for slagging off on my Facebook, I'd certainly make sure there were no such comments there. Thankfully I can't be sacked for laughing at the English rugby team. 

 

3. I have no really strong views about women's football but I can't say I'd personally want to go to twitter to slag it off anyway because, end of the day, I mean live and let live really? I've complained about its over representation by the BBC on here a couple of times but I'm not sure that's overly offensive. 

 

 

[Countryfox]

 

Vegan sausage rolls are sh1te and shouldn’t be allowed !

[UniFox21]

10 minutes ago, Countryfox said:

 

Vegan sausage rolls are sh1te and shouldn’t be allowed !

The FA will be in touch with you for your comments 

[sylofox]

On 01/05/2019 at 10:55, Babylon said:

How long would it take to look into, 5 seconds? Oh he was 14/15 years of age, oh he made a comment about black people, oh he's mixed race and got a massive afro, clearly no racism there. The end. 

 

It's the FA it's not that simple. 

[Wymsey]

If he gets fined for this, which seems likely, would be positive to set up a fan page to pay the cost to the FA's coffers?

[MPH]

10 hours ago, Finnegan said:

 

It's still there visible on his page, it was there to be found, a view the world considers him to endorse by its existence. He's seen footballers, rugby players, film directors, comedians, politicians and actors all get in trouble for historic (and current) tweets over the last few years and he's still never removed them. 

 

Hamza Choudhary isn't in trouble for what he said when he was 15, he's in trouble for what was on his social media account now in the real time, regardless of how long ago it was posted. He is currently a Premier League footballer and he currently has (or had, I assume they are at least gone now) views on his feed that breach the league's ethical standards. 

 

To reiterate, as I've done several times now, I don't like this, I don't agree with it, I hate both twitter and it being weaponised, I 100% sympathise with Hamza and I'm glad to be extremely confident this is a storm in a teacup that will have absolutely no impact on his long term career. 

 

It's disgustingly petty by the Arsenal fans, they should be ****ing ashamed of themselves, looking for ways to assassinate the character of a young man purely because he best you at sport is absolutely shameful. 

 

I just don't think the FA have done anything wrong (yet) in this case and I think people are targeting their outrage in the wrong direction. I think it's important we have a code of conduct in British sport and I'm fairly confident that Hamza Choudhary of 2019, as the league's most significant (if not only) British Asian heritage footballer would agree. But to do that they have to take any and all incidents seriously. If its a small fine and maybe even a small ban I really don't think it's too hard a price to pay to teach the players at Leicester to be more sensitive with their online use. 

 

It's just a shame they weren't stronger with Rice, to which I do agree. 

 

 

 

do you remember everything you said as a 14 year old?

 

 

 

hed probably forgotten about them.

[Countryfox]

37 minutes ago, Wymeswold fox said:

If he gets fined for this, which seems likely, would be positive to set up a fan page to pay the cost to the FA's coffers?

 

Very generous of you Wymes ...   

[urban fox]

Just to prove hamza right just watched women’s fa cup final. Ok some nice bits of skill but generally non league standard fare.  No pace, no grit some terrible basic errors. Doesn’t mean I won’t support the England women in competitions but I wouldn’t pay to watch it. Significant that it was stated that 50,000 tickets were “distributed”. Didn’t say sold.

yes it is great that the women’s game is getting recognition but let’s not pretend that the standard is particularly high. It is what it is and will improve as more women get involved but that does not mean we should all wax lyrical about it.

commentators trying to push the agenda don’t actually help in my opinion. It is not the same game as the men so don’t make out it is.

i am now awaiting a knock on the door from the thought police.

[Babylon]

7 hours ago, Finnegan said:

 

If those things "you no longer agree with" are quite obviously offensive views that breach the ethics of the sport then that's exactly what's expected of professionals and is exactly the point.

 

Again, for the Nth time, do I like that? No. But it's clearly what is the present let alone the future and the quicker our players learn that the better.

 

I'm extremely confident that the people at the FA who have been tasked with investigating this will have rolled their eyes and gone "jesus, kids are stupid" and that's about it. Literally nobody from the top of the FA to the bottom feeders of the Arsenal twitterati have ACTUALLY really been triggered or offended by a cringey little fifteen year old posting rubbish on twitter but the former do clearly want to make an example that players of all ages do need to be extremely mindful of what content is on their feed, however far back.

 

That's literally all this is and this thread is about eleven pages too long full of indignant overreactions to the FA quite obviously going about enforcing a policy that's not exactly revolutionary or groundbreaking in any area of the professional entertainment industry.

 

Did I like it when Kevin Hart lost the Oscars? No. Did I like it when James Gunn lost Guardians? No. Did I actually like it when Rice was investigated? No. But it is what it is and anyone that's shocked or surprised by Hamza being charged needs to catch up to 2019, especially if they're a player at this club.

Kevin Hart wasn’t a minor, Gunn wasn’t a minor (he’s also got Guardians’s back again). 

 

This isn’t a 21 year old or even an 18 year old. Holding children to the same standards is utterly ridiculous. That doesn’t happen in any other walk of life, they are treated differently in the courts, and in the rights they are given for a very good reason.

 

There is a very obvious line that can be drawn here between adults and children. Charging him means there is literally no longer a line in the sand.

 

In the future as people’s social history’s have been about longer are we going to see 30 years olds charged with something they said when they were 12, or 10, or 8?

 

Where is the line? You can’t delete your entire life, not everything is in your control to remove either. 

[Nickfosse]

37 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Kevin Hart wasn’t a minor, Gunn wasn’t a minor (he’s also got Guardians’s back again). 

 

This isn’t a 21 year old or even an 18 year old. Holding children to the same standards is utterly ridiculous. That doesn’t happen in any other walk of life, they are treated differently in the courts, and in the rights they are given for a very good reason.

 

There is a very obvious line that can be drawn here between adults and children. Charging him means there is literally no longer a line in the sand.

 

In the future as people’s social history’s have been about longer are we going to see 30 years olds charged with something they said when they were 12, or 10, or 8?

 

Where is the line? You can’t delete your entire life, not everything is in your control to remove either. 

Absolutely this. 

I’ve mentioned before, imposing an adult disciplinary system upon comments made when a child is fraught with danger. My work takes me into disciplinary procedures and safeguarding and I wouldn’t touch this with a barge pole for the reasons well articulated by Babylon. 

[Crispin LA]

The Eddie Murphy stand up live video got passed around our year when I was in secondary school in the mid 80's in Leicester. 

We all found Eddie Murphy so funny even though he made jokes about black people. The British establishment needs to stop living in a PC snowflake mindset. Britain needs a Donald Trump culture! 

[Nickfosse]

2 minutes ago, Crispin LA said:

The Eddie Murphy stand up live video got passed around our year when I was in secondary school in the mid 80's in Leicester. 

We all found Eddie Murphy so funny even though he made jokes about black people. The British establishment needs to stop living in a PC snowflake mindset. Britain needs a Donald Trump culture! 

We really don’t mate

[Merging Cultures]

The club (and probably the FA too) need to step up their game here.

 

There needs to be more social media training for young players - and young people in general. The FA could use it's influence through the game to promote awareness that social media can haunt kids in later life.

 

The club also needs to have their communications team go through each players history - all of it - and clean it. Or hire a firm to do it. Sure, it's an individuals 'social media' account, but the individuals are being charged by the FA, so now it becomes a footballing issue, and therefore a club issue.

 

Quick edit: I think it is ridiculous that a young man is being fined for something he posted at age 16. But unfortunately it is the world we are living in.

[fuchsntf]

I hope Leicester city football club..are strong enough to hire a top group of lawyers,who show this up has an immature scam and mental abuse against under-age

Children...it's a farce!!!...

the intellect of those people committing themselves for authoritan-office,has proven with Brexit,we have at least 4 generations of moran s and dimwits at official

Levels....

 

Just to take it further,there must be some lawyers who are Leicester fans...

So why not put something forward...FA authorities and media sources,trying to mentally undermine a minor,or some other useful juristical useful term.When trying

to begin and implement a one-sided witch-hunt!!!