Colin Pitchfork - can be released from prison

[Fox92]

Where was he released the other month? Leicestershire? Or is that never discussed?

Edited 23 November 2021 by Fox92

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20 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Where was he released the other month? Leicestershire? Or is that never discussed?

Southampton I think.

[phoneticerror]

4 hours ago, Raj said:

Didnt realise he had kids, imagine that being your dad.

Cant fathom what sort of life they had growing up and the mental scars through their lives.

He left his baby son in the car alone when he went off to commit one of the murders. That was his alibi - he had been looking after his son.

 

Speaks volumes doesn’t it?

 

Personally, if I was his ex wife I would have moved my kids to a different area to give them a normal life and never have told them. I know they didn’t do anything wrong, but keeping them here was somewhat cruel. There were times when it’d be bought up in the school yard. Not pleasant memories.

[Raj]

Just now, phoneticerror said:

He left his baby son in the car alone when he went off to commit one of the murders. That was his alibi - he had been looking after his son.

 

Speaks volumes doesn’t it?

 

Personally, if I was his ex wife I would have moved my kids to a different area to give them a normal life and never have told them. I know they didn’t do anything wrong, but keeping them here was somewhat cruel. There were times when it’d be bought up in the school yard. Not pleasant memories.

My Lord what a devious conniving bastadr.

 

Yep agree with the Ex Wife thing, why would you carry on bringing his children up in the same area the crimes were committed?

 

Imagine having a relationship with the children knowing who their dad is.

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1 minute ago, Raj said:

My Lord what a devious conniving bastadr.

 

Yep agree with the Ex Wife thing, why would you carry on bringing his children up in the same area the crimes were committed?

 

Imagine having a relationship with the children knowing who their dad is.

The kids were alright to be fair - but there was no way of forgetting their association with him. They were young enough to move away and start a new life when he was arrested. Still baffles me.

[Raj]

1 hour ago, phoneticerror said:

The kids were alright to be fair - but there was no way of forgetting their association with him. They were young enough to move away and start a new life when he was arrested. Still baffles me.

That's nice to hear as knowing what their dad did could have been something that could have scarred them for their own lives and it's not their fault. 

[MPH]

Well for them to move to a new life somewhere would also mean having to cut ties with all family as no doubt some do gooder would have felt the kids would ‘ need to know the truth’ and what a way that would  be to find out.

 

besides imagine the devastation the wife must have felt- starting a new life somewhere would be taking away her support network, no shoulder to cry on, friends to talk to it about.. she’d have to hide something for the rest of her life that wasn’t her fault.. imagine the loneliness.

 

 

anyway, I can see why she stayed.

[Raj]

31 minutes ago, MPH said:

Well for them to move to a new life somewhere would also mean having to cut ties with all family as no doubt some do gooder would have felt the kids would ‘ need to know the truth’ and what a way that would  be to find out.

 

besides imagine the devastation the wife must have felt- starting a new life somewhere would be taking away her support network, no shoulder to cry on, friends to talk to it about.. she’d have to hide something for the rest of her life that wasn’t her fault.. imagine the loneliness.

 

 

anyway, I can see why she stayed.

Yeah good points.

Just proves what is left behind with the innocent people.

Imagine everything the 2 girls families have had to live with, I cant begin to fathom it as a father.

[phoneticerror]

57 minutes ago, MPH said:

Well for them to move to a new life somewhere would also mean having to cut ties with all family as no doubt some do gooder would have felt the kids would ‘ need to know the truth’ and what a way that would  be to find out.

 

besides imagine the devastation the wife must have felt- starting a new life somewhere would be taking away her support network, no shoulder to cry on, friends to talk to it about.. she’d have to hide something for the rest of her life that wasn’t her fault.. imagine the loneliness.

 

 

anyway, I can see why she stayed.

Valid points. For me, I would’ve cut ties in a heartbeat for my kids protection.

 

But there is the other option of moving somewhere close, Nottingham for instance. That would have given the kids enough anonymity at school - even if they weren’t protected from the truth. They didn’t talk about it, the only reason we all knew was from parents gossiping.

Edited 23 November 2021 by phoneticerror

[Parafox]

23 hours ago, Paninistickers said:

Rehab of prisoners is a subject close to my heart. And, I was prepared to hope for the best in this case. But, these people do learn how to play do gooders. 

 

Years ago, a mate of mine's Dad was a prison officer at Leicester and had Pitchfork in. My mate said his dad said Pitchfork even back then was friendly, conversational and 'normal' ....unlike 99% of prisoners. So, based on that account, he's clearly able to portray himself as plausibly normal and repentant 

 

23 hours ago, jammie82uk said:

I can believe that because at his sentencing review in 2008 

 

Mr Justice Grigson described Pitchfork’s case as the first of its type ‘where the progress made by the applicant can properly be described as exceptional’. Pitchfork had sought to address the reasons behind his behaviour, had never been placed on prison report, was trusted to help fellow inmates and made himself a specialist in the transcription of printed music into braille.

Typical psychopathic behaviour. Win people over with lies, deceit and a persona of repentance and wanting to change knowing that actually, you won't and because you get gratification from them, your behaviours will continue, watered down at first but as the psychopath's confidence grows they increase their risky behaviours until, unless stopped, they get back to the level of risk that could result in a repeat of crimes committed previously. He must have been very good at it to deceive the parole boards he would have been assessed by who, I imagine, would have had a psychiatrist amongst them.

[Paninistickers]

3 hours ago, phoneticerror said:

The kids were alright to be fair - but there was no way of forgetting their association with him. They were young enough to move away and start a new life when he was arrested. Still baffles me.

Sounds a bit silly, but I'm glad it sounds as if they came out of it OK. What a cross to bear. 

 

Unrelated, but I know someone who knows someone who knows the McCann twins and apparently, they are totally normal.kids. Which kinda cheers me up.a bit away from the dreadful background that surrounds them

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3 hours ago, MPH said:

Well for them to move to a new life somewhere would also mean having to cut ties with all family as no doubt some do gooder would have felt the kids would ‘ need to know the truth’ and what a way that would  be to find out.

 

besides imagine the devastation the wife must have felt- starting a new life somewhere would be taking away her support network, no shoulder to cry on, friends to talk to it about.. she’d have to hide something for the rest of her life that wasn’t her fault.. imagine the loneliness.

 

 

anyway, I can see why she stayed.

She handled it really well and refused to be ostracised. She was running the kids community halls and kept herself well in all things considered. Her kids did suffer a bit though.

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1 hour ago, Paninistickers said:

Sounds a bit silly, but I'm glad it sounds as if they came out of it OK. What a cross to bear. 

 

Unrelated, but I know someone who knows someone who knows the McCann twins and apparently, they are totally normal.kids. Which kinda cheers me up.a bit away from the dreadful background that surrounds them

They did get dogs abuse at times. I seen it first hand, could have been a lot worse but wasn’t pleasant.

[ajthefox]

On 18/07/2021 at 20:34, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

I know if you can’t rehab and release people it doesn’t give people hope of being free again… but, in my view, if someone takes away the freedom of others (and particularly heinous that it was 2 young girls) through such gruesome acts then they don’t deserve their freedom and are a danger to others. And god knows what the victims families think.

 

I don’t believe in capital punishment either, though I can understand the argument - including money. Why should the tax payer foot the bill to let these people live and be housed at significant cost. Let the buggers suffer in prison - for life. And I mean suffer, no sky, no nice food etc.

I agree with you generally but this bit is a bit of a pet peeve of mine when it comes up in this discussion, even though the simple moral argument for me is the only one that actually matters.

 

The death penalty often ends up costing more because of legal costs and the amount of time often spent in prison before it actually occurs.

 

https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/which-is-cheaper-execution-or-life-in-prison-without-parole-31614 (just the first link I found)

 

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"Every state that has a death penalty also has an intricate system and basis for appeals. These appeals can relate to everything from due process claims to equal protection (minorities are convicted at far higher rates than whites) and, most famously, to the cruel and unusual punishment prohibition of the Eighth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. The result? In California, the slowest state in the Union, the average wait time for someone sentenced to death is 20 years between conviction and execution. The national average is just under nine years.

And, while all of this waiting is going on, the process has not ground to a halt. Quite the opposite, in fact. The appeals process consumes hours of labor, not only by court staff, but also by the often court-appointed, tax payer funded, and constitutionally guaranteed public defenders. As a result, some estimate that it costs U.S. taxpayers between $50 and $90 million dollars more per year (depending on the jurisdiction) to prosecute death penalty cases than life sentences."

 

[String fellow]

Colin Pitchfork may perhaps have become a specialist in transcribing printed music into braille as part of an extraordinarily elaborate way of fooling the parole board, especially being a lifer with time on his hands and a wish to impress such people by developing a somewhat abstruse and altruistic area of expertise such as that. Maybe Ian Huntley should take a leaf out of Pitchfolk's book.

[MPH]

1 hour ago, String fellow said:

Colin Pitchfork may perhaps have become a specialist in transcribing printed music into braille as part of an extraordinarily elaborate way of fooling the parole board, especially being a lifer with time on his hands and a wish to impress such people by developing a somewhat abstruse and altruistic area of expertise such as that. Maybe Ian Huntley should take a leaf out of Pitchfolk's book.

 

he already has done.

[The Fox Covert]

Interesting story on BBC News which includes an interview with David Baker, a retired Detective Chief Super with Leicestershire Police.

I think somebody on here commented a few months back when he was released that you can never really know what is going on in the head of a psychopath.

I am reluctant to say anything which might be understood as throwing meat to a truly awful government, with a Home Secretary who is another psychopath and has in the past publicly called for the restoration of the death penalty.

But there were widespread protests in Bristol earlier this year, where the authorities proposed to release him. I am not surprised that nobody would want this man as a potential neighbour.

I have a neighbour who has been banged up twice for offences involving sexual molestation and harrassment. He didn't cause serious physical harm to anyone that I know about, but fifteen years after the event, most of the neighbourhood will still not talk to him.

But as long as Pitchfork has the health and strength to harm a girl or young woman, he is a risk to society and shouldn't ever have unrestricted freedom to roam at will.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-59394475