Player Contracts

[ScrumpyJack]

18 hours ago, moore_94 said:

I know recently there has been a lot of talk about Tielemans' contract, and also a few people have mentioned Ricardo and Soyuncu, but there is also quite a few other players whose contracts expire in 2023

 

The club need to start getting some new contracts sorted otherwise we could see quite a lot of squad turnover very soon, as anyone with a contract ending in 2023 you ideally want to sell next summer at the latest which currently stands at 10 players

 

Expires 2022: Eldin Jakupovic, Daniel Amartey, Ademola Lookman*

 

Expires 2023: Kasper Schmeichel, Ryan Bertrand, Jonny Evans, Nampalys Mendy, Jamie Vardy, Ricardo Pereira, Ayoze Perez, Youri Tielemans, Filip Benkovic, Caglar Soyuncu

 

Expires 2024: Marc Albrighton, Jannik Vestergaard, Wilfred Ndidi, James Maddison, Kelechi Iheanacho, James Justin, Kiernan Dewsbury-Hall, Luke Thomas, Dennis Praet

 

Expires 2025: Danny Ward, Timothy Castagne, Harvey Barnes, Wesley Fofana

 

Expires 2026: Boubakary Soumare, Patson Daka

2022: Bye 

 

2023:Kasp, Evans, Vardy, Ricky P, Perez, Tielemans, Soy Sauce

 

2024:Vester, Ndidi, Madders, Ian Nacho, JJ, KDH

 

2025:Keep all

 

Sorted!

[brucey]

Of the 2023 lot, I'm expecting this to happen:

Go onto a rolling 1 year extension: Schmeichel, Vardy, Evans (if foot still works), Bertrand (if still decent as backup)

Accept offer of 3/4 year contract extension: Perez, Soyuncu

Reject offer of contract extension and sold: Ricardo, Tielemans

Released for free: Mendy, Benkovic

 

[Guest SO1]

All of this makes me think Rodgers will not be going anywhere in the summer. With his proven record of developing young players, improving older ones and on field results I can actually see the club trying to extend his contract. Unless he's offered a project elsewhere with a lot more money to spend on players and a relationship with the owner and front office as good as he has here. I doubt both parties want to end the relationship until we're at least through to the next iteration of the squad.

 

Although the usual for successful managers is 3 years and out. The club may feel having a steady and guiding hand at the top to keep the club in its place and challanging at the top of the EPL a priority. Looks like a lot of new blood to be bedded in and I don't know of another manager better to oversee that transition.

Edited 22 October 2021 by SO1

[TheStig]

58 minutes ago, brucey said:

Of the 2023 lot, I'm expecting this to happen:

Go onto a rolling 1 year extension: Schmeichel, Vardy, Evans (if foot still works), Bertrand (if still decent as backup)

Accept offer of 3/4 year contract extension: Perez, Soyuncu

Reject offer of contract extension and sold: Ricardo, Tielemans

Released for free: Mendy, Benkovic

 

I am not sure that Perez will be offered a 3-4 year extension... wouldn´t want him to.

[brucey]

18 minutes ago, TheStig said:

I am not sure that Perez will be offered a 3-4 year extension... wouldn´t want him to.

I know lots of people don't rate Perez but I think he serves a purpose and so does Brendan. His wages are lowish relative to his significant game time and utility, even as a backup/squad player. We've offered extensions to less useful squad players previously (eg. Gray). Plus having him around for longer makes the transfer fee more palatable than just releasing him for free/cheap.

Edited 22 October 2021 by brucey

[Tom12345]

15 hours ago, TJB-fox said:

 

This isn’t football manager, you can’t just dictate players lives. They have families, children, mortgages etc to think of. There’s so many external factors to consider when signing contracts, it’s really not as simple as saying oh yes get him on a 7 year deal. It just doesn’t happen, that’s football. 
 

4 years is a normal length contract, equally you could flip it and say why would a player of Youri’s quality sign more than 4 years at a club like ours? 
 

Think you’re being quite naive with your views I’ll be honest mate. In an ideal world Youri signs a long(er) term deal initially but in reality it wouldn’t happen. The club has finances and itself to look after too. What if Youri signs for 7 years - is totally shite/gets injured and we’re stuck paying monumental wages or a lump sum payoff for duration of the contract? 

I understand of course what you said. It goes without saying that it needs to be agreed by the player. My point was that 4 years is too short if you pay £40m for him (he remains our highest transfer record). It is a business too and our club is also a party that can negotiate and agree terms. 5 years is more the standard these days for big contracts. With 4 years, given you don’t want to be running down a contract for a player you pay so much money for to anything below 2 years before you need to make a transfer decision, you are really only giving the club 2 years before you must renegotiate a contract renewal again. So the security is only really 2 years before you start panicking. So you say 4 years but in today’s transfer market game, it is only 2 years. This is my point.

 

Now I agree with you if the player turns out to be crap then you don’t want to be stuck with him for 7 years. I was not advocating for 7 years, but at the same time, if you decide to pay £40m (which is a lot of money even today for a club like ours) then you better not be guessing if he could turn out to be sh*t. We had him on loan. He was out in the cold at Monaco. We had the best chance to tie him to a long term contract back then. So I see your points generally but they are less applicable here in the case of Tielemans. Do you see what I mean? It is a decision we make, but again if you fork out £40m, you better be more sure he is less than sh*t and have more security than 2 years (as I said above) to keep his value for us as a business!

 

It could have been a judgement call - with a belief that we can somehow convince him to stay after 2 years. Well, that is a gamble that is questionable and in any event it may not pay off this time. Let’s see.

 

 

 

 

Edited 23 October 2021 by Tom12345

[st albans fox]

7 hours ago, Tom12345 said:

I understand of course what you said. It goes without saying that it needs to be agreed by the player. My point was that 4 years is too short if you pay £40m for him (he remains our highest transfer record). It is a business too and our club is also a party that can negotiate and agree terms. 5 years is more the standard these days for big contracts. With 4 years, given you don’t want to be running down a contract for a player you pay so much money for to anything below 2 years before you need to make a transfer decision, you are really only giving the club 2 years before you must renegotiate a contract renewal again. So the security is only really 2 years before you start panicking. So you say 4 years but in today’s transfer market game, it is only 2 years. This is my point.

 

Now I agree with you if the player turns out to be crap then you don’t want to be stuck with him for 7 years. I was not advocating for 7 years, but at the same time, if you decide to pay £40m (which is a lot of money even today for a club like ours) then you better not be guessing if he could turn out to be sh*t. We had him on loan. He was out in the cold at Monaco. We had the best chance to tie him to a long term contract back then. So I see your points generally but they are less applicable here in the case of Tielemans. Do you see what I mean? It is a decision we make, but again if you fork out £40m, you better be more sure he is less than sh*t and have more security than 2 years (as I said above) to keep his value for us as a business!

 

It could have been a judgement call - with a belief that we can somehow convince him to stay after 2 years. Well, that is a gamble that is questionable and in any event it may not pay off this time. Let’s see.

 

He held the cards at the time 

we wanted him

united were also looking at him but because they didn’t know what was going to happen with pogba, they couldn’t go for him. I would think that we gave him an ultimatum that we needed a decision. It’s a negotiation.  We got him but had to agree to four years. It’s a pretty clear plan by him and his advisors.  Move next summer onto a big contract and that means three years further on he gets another big deal (either an extension where he is or another move). 
 

if he stays with us for another couple seasons then his second deal is slightly less attractive ref his age. 

 

 

[volpeazzurro]

18 hours ago, brucey said:

Of the 2023 lot, I'm expecting this to happen:

Go onto a rolling 1 year extension: Schmeichel, Vardy, Evans (if foot still works), Bertrand (if still decent as backup)

Accept offer of 3/4 year contract extension: Perez, Soyuncu

Reject offer of contract extension and sold: Ricardo, Tielemans

Released for free: Mendy, Benkovic

 

I doubt we'd lumber ourselves with Perez for another 3/4 years. I also doubt anyone will be coming in for him in a rush before his current contract ends either. His last game was good but I really hope we'd have a better squad option on the bench than him by the end of his tenure because if not it can only mean that we've had a mighty slide backwards. 

[Tom12345]

1 hour ago, st albans fox said:

He held the cards at the time 

we wanted him

united were also looking at him but because they didn’t know what was going to happen with pogba, they couldn’t go for him. I would think that we gave him an ultimatum that we needed a decision. It’s a negotiation.  We got him but had to agree to four years. It’s a pretty clear plan by him and his advisors.  Move next summer onto a big contract and that means three years further on he gets another big deal (either an extension where he is or another move). 
 

if he stays with us for another couple seasons then his second deal is slightly less attractive ref his age. 

 

 

Good points. Guess he was well advised. In that case, he seemed focussed on moving on after two full years with us or at least hope to be able have more of say in terms of moving on. He seems like an ambitious bloke.

[Ric Flair]

19 hours ago, SO1 said:

All of this makes me think Rodgers will not be going anywhere in the summer. With his proven record of developing young players, improving older ones and on field results I can actually see the club trying to extend his contract. Unless he's offered a project elsewhere with a lot more money to spend on players and a relationship with the owner and front office as good as he has here. I doubt both parties want to end the relationship until we're at least through to the next iteration of the squad.

 

Although the usual for successful managers is 3 years and out. The club may feel having a steady and guiding hand at the top to keep the club in its place and challanging at the top of the EPL a priority. Looks like a lot of new blood to be bedded in and I don't know of another manager better to oversee that transition.

I see it another way, I think this is Rodgers last season. 

[Guest SO1]

4 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

I see it another way, I think this is Rodgers last season. 

Before I read the first post on this thread I would have agreed with that 90%. Now I'm not so sure and I've just touched on reasons why. As you said a lot of pressure on the club to transition the squad to the next core group and build from there.

This is a very difficult transition to maintain consistency at this level, in this league(EPL). The failure can be catastrophic(Swansea). This has to work or the club risks losing a serious amount of momentum.

[Vardinio'sCat]

On 22/10/2021 at 12:03, SO1 said:

The names change but the song remains the same. Have faith that the club knows what its doing and has been working out the transitions for years. There's a reason why we are here now.

 

My only concern is how the club works out the effects of Covid on the market...but then every other club has to deal with the same issue. Now more than ever the club has to commit to developing youth and making all players better. Its the only way to punch above our weight.

 

Stop making sense.

[Guest SO1]

4 hours ago, Vardinio'sCat said:

 

Stop making sense.

Just don't mention Balotelli.

[Sly]

The players that are due to expire this season, most likely resign with us for a stint in the Championship. All of them could get better wages at Premier League clubs as backup. 

 

Tielemans - Most likely abroad.

 

Amartey - Will most likely go to a bottom half Premier League team, or sign with one of the promoted teams from the Championship.

 

Soyuncu - Off to Spain to play for Madrid. 
 

Mendy - Hardly played and must have splinters. I wonder if he regrets signing the first time. I can see him going to France. 
 

Bertrand - Surely he retires? 
 

Evans - If he doesn’t retire, a team in Europe might pick him up as he qualify a as homegrown. 
 

Perez - Will definitely move back to Spain.

 

That’s before you get into the 7 or 8 that will potentially expire if we get back to the Premier League at the first time of asking. 

 

 

[ClaphamFox]

5 minutes ago, Sly said:

The players that are due to expire this season, most likely resign with us for a stint in the Championship. All of them could get better wages at Premier League clubs as backup. 

 

Tielemans - Most likely abroad.

 

Amartey - Will most likely go to a bottom half Premier League team, or sign with one of the promoted teams from the Championship.

 

Soyuncu - Off to Spain to play for Madrid. 
 

Mendy - Hardly played and must have splinters. I wonder if he regrets signing the first time. I can see him going to France. 
 

Bertrand - Surely he retires? 
 

Evans - If he doesn’t retire, a team in Europe might pick him up as he qualify a as homegrown. 
 

Perez - Will definitely move back to Spain.

 

That’s before you get into the 7 or 8 that will potentially expire if we get back to the Premier League at the first time of asking. 

 

 

I’ll be sorry to see Mendy go - he’d be a very useful player in the Championship. But given how he’s been treated by successive managers, I can’t see him being persuaded to stay. 

[LCFCJohn]

28 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

I’ll be sorry to see Mendy go - he’d be a very useful player in the Championship. But given how he’s been treated by successive managers, I can’t see him being persuaded to stay. 

I agree with you. But he’s the one off that list I’d like to see us try. Perhaps if we get a new manager in who can give him reassurances he may extend? But he can probably get more money going back to France if there’s wage cuts in place and as you suggest (without saying it), he owes us nothing.

 

I’d be really happy with Mendy and KDH as a starting 2 in midfield in the championship if it could happen!