Leicester one of first cities in UK with no ethnic group majority - data

[Scotch]

14 hours ago, bovril said:

I doubt this is true tbf. Do you not celebrate Christian holidays?

Most Christian Holidays aren't all that Christian. 

 

Christmas for example. Many of the things we associate with Christmas time are actually pagan. Santa, Stockings, Gift giving, caroling, mistletoe, decking the halls, Christmas trees etc are all Pagan traditions. The only thing that really relates Christmas with christianity is the birth of Jesus and even that is disputed. Many believe that Christ wasn't born on Dec 25th and the date was moved to coincide with Saturnalia to convert as many Pagans to christianity as possible. 

 

Fact is, people don't care if its pagan or Christian, people celebrate holidays because they're fun and they are more fun when more people partake which is why "Christian holidays" are most popular in the west as its the dominant religion. 

[Zear0]

I can offer plenty of work (no shift premium obviously as it's just another day) on Christmas Day to those appalled at people having a day off in the name of a Christian holiday. 

[CosbehFox]

Just dividing bollocks. 
 

I see some of the utter gammons have jumped on it. Go tell an lad whose third generation ‘Asian’ that he’s not from Leicester etc. 

[bovril]

9 hours ago, Sampson said:

It’s a day off work, it’s a day to spend time with family, it’s exciting for people’s children or grandchildren, it’s something to look forward to in the winter, it gives them a warm feeling. There’s plenty of reasons.

 

It’s just a bank holiday and an excuse to celebrate with your family combined, like if your birthday fell on August bank holiday.

 

I’d imagine for the majority of the population of the UK it has no real religious meaning anymore.

Not sure if this is true tbh, and the UK is famously not the only place in the world.

 

I also think it's a bit of a myth that Christmas was 'originally pagan' although it has taken on some pre-Christian customs over the centuries. 

[Daggers]

The sooner Christian influence is removed from society the better. Dark Ages magic sky pixie bullshit has nothing to do with education and coherent systems of governance.

[leicsmac]

16 minutes ago, Daggers said:

The sooner Christian influence is removed from society the better. Dark Ages magic sky pixie bullshit has nothing to do with education and coherent systems of governance.

I'd substitute "organised religion" in for "Christianity" and "political decision making" for "society" there, but yeah.

[Daggers]

1 minute ago, leicsmac said:

I'd substitute "organised religion" in for "Christianity" and "political decision making" for "society" there, but yeah.

Organised religion isn't embedded within our structures and procedures though - Christianity is. From courts to the House of Lords, it is Christianity that needs to be ripped out and having its door pass confiscated. 

[Voll Blau]

11 hours ago, hejammy said:

Agreed why is this news? I can only conclude that it's because LM wants to be divisive and sell lots of papers. Why does it matter? Do people believe that just because a person is not white then they are not a really English? Someone who is brown and born in this country cannot truly be English? Honestly this sort of article really annoys me as there is only one reason for it and that is to cause issues between people. They try and plant seeds of doubt into people.

1. The article linked to is from the BBC.

2. It's reporting ONS statistics that were released yesterday.

3. Everybody quoted has only positive things to say about Leicester.

4. I've read the Merc's reporting of this and they did it in exactly the same way.

 

There's no conspiracy here.

[FoxesWalk]

There are tolerant and non tolerant people, that’s all that really matters in the end. You can be an arsehole of any colour or religion. 

[leicsmac]

52 minutes ago, Daggers said:

Organised religion isn't embedded within our structures and procedures though - Christianity is. From courts to the House of Lords, it is Christianity that needs to be ripped out and having its door pass confiscated. 

Fair point.

 

However, I'm looking at it from the point of view of the world rather than just the UK.

[bovril]

2 hours ago, Daggers said:

The sooner Christian influence is removed from society the better. Dark Ages magic sky pixie bullshit has nothing to do with education and coherent systems of governance.

Debatable. Universities, for example...

Edited 30 November 2022 by bovril

[bovril]

I do find it slightly amusing that people who are like "what's the problem that white British people are declining as a % of population?" will very often be the same people who say "we don't want magic sky pixie medieval bullshit in this country", given that ethnic minorities will generally be more religious than white Brits. 

[Sampson]

17 minutes ago, bovril said:

I do find it slightly amusing that people who are like "what's the problem that white British people are declining as a % of population?" will very often be the same people who say "we don't want magic sky pixie medieval bullshit in this country", given that ethnic minorities will generally be more religious than white Brits. 

What?

 

Absolutely no one has said “we don’t want pixie medieval bullshit in this country”.

 

People are talking about organised religion and it’s place within our political and social structures, where it has no place.
 

People can believe whatever they like in the privacy of their own home as long as it doesn’t cause harm or discrimination to others. No one has suggested otherwise.

Edited 30 November 2022 by Sampson

[bovril]

31 minutes ago, Sampson said:

What?

 

Absolutely no one has said “we don’t want pixie medieval bullshit in this country”.

 

People are talking about organised religion and it’s place within our political and social structures, where it has no place.
 

People can believe whatever they like in the privacy of their own home as long as it doesn’t cause harm or discrimination to others. No one has suggested otherwise.

Ok perhaps I'm generalising and being slightly hyperbolic but I do think there are many people in the UK who are instinctively anti-religion (particularly when it comes to Christianity) but also laud the benefits of immigration from places which are significantly more religious than Britain. I don't think that is always necessarily hypocritical but sometimes it comes across as slightly paradoxical. 

 

Being religious and also something of a traditionalist I'm quite happy to see immigration from e.g. Nigeria, Poland etc as in many cases these communities are keeping churches open in the UK. 

 

I would also say I don't think you can ever confine religion solely to 'the privacy of the home'. If people are privately religious than public life will always reflect that.

Edited 30 November 2022 by bovril

[leicsmac]

9 minutes ago, bovril said:

Ok perhaps I'm generalising and being slightly hyperbolic but I do think there are many people in the UK who are instinctively anti-religion (particularly when it comes to Christianity) but also laud the benefits of immigration from places which are significantly more religious than Britain. I don't think that is always necessarily hypocritical but sometimes it comes across as slightly paradoxical. 

 

Being religious and also something of a traditionalist I'm quite happy to see immigration from e.g. Nigeria, Poland etc as in many cases these communities are keeping churches open in the UK. 

 

I would also say I don't think you can ever confine religion solely to 'the privacy of the home'. If people are privately religious than public life will always reflect that.

May I ask why this has to be the case? Is there really no way to separate private religious belief and public policy, in spite of a democratic system indeed being a reflection of its voters?

[hejammy]

3 hours ago, Voll Blau said:

1. The article linked to is from the BBC.

2. It's reporting ONS statistics that were released yesterday.

3. Everybody quoted has only positive things to say about Leicester.

4. I've read the Merc's reporting of this and they did it in exactly the same way.

 

There's no conspiracy here.

1. What relevance is this? I know it's an article linked to the BBC but my issue is not just with LM it's with the article.

2. Again yes I believe that is also common knowledge?

3. Really they hadn't, have you seen some of the comments on LM website,Twitter and some other social media?

4. Again see point 1.

 

It's not the "conspiracy" i talk about. It's simply an article that has no reason to be published except to be divisive and cause a stir

[Voll Blau]

23 minutes ago, hejammy said:

1. What relevance is this? I know it's an article linked to the BBC but my issue is not just with LM it's with the article.

2. Again yes I believe that is also common knowledge?

3. Really they hadn't, have you seen some of the comments on LM website,Twitter and some other social media?

4. Again see point 1.

 

It's not the "conspiracy" i talk about. It's simply an article that has no reason to be published except to be divisive and cause a stir

As I mention, it hasn't been published to "cause a stir". It's been published because it's fresh ONS data released yesterday, which is actually quite interesting given the UK is a majority white country. Nobody quoted in the actual articles had anything negative to say.

 

As for comments, racist gobshites are being racist gobshites on social media. What's new? The platforms that host those facilities should be doing loads more to stamp that behaviour out, but news organisations shouldn't stop reporting facts just because Great Uncle Gammon's gonna publish a 'Piss Of Were Full!' meme of the White Cliffs of Dover on Facebook.

[Daggers]

2 hours ago, bovril said:

Debatable

No it isn’t. So I won’t. 

[bovril]

55 minutes ago, Daggers said:

No it isn’t. So I won’t. 

"Our education system has nothing to with dark ages magic sky bullshit" - universities were originally founded in the 'dark ages' to teach theology and canon law.

[Manley Farrington-Brown]

8 hours ago, bovril said:

I also think it's a bit of a myth that Christmas was 'originally pagan' although it has taken on some pre-Christian customs over the centuries.

I would agree that 'originally pagan' is probably too simplistic.

But I don't think it's a coincidence that christmas occurs as the days are starting to get longer again. Any more than it's a coincidence that easter happens in the spring.

People have celebrated the turning of the year, the days starting to lengthen, for as long as there have been people to notice that the days were getting longer. There's no doubt that the christians piggybacked on that, is there?

[Guest David Oldfields Gate]

11 hours ago, Daggers said:

The sooner Christian influence is removed from society the better. Dark Ages magic sky pixie bullshit has nothing to do with education and coherent systems of governance.

Can I politely ask what you do for a living, or what formal education you have received as I am genuinely intrigued as to how you have reached this conclusion?

[indierich06]

On the religion thing, I don't see how you can live in this country, see the needless suffering inflicted on so many poor people, workers, minorities - all in the name of lining the pockets of the privileged few - and easily accept that a benevolent god exists. A world where working nurses need to use food banks to survive, while wealthy layabouts can check into the Savoy when their heating's on the blink.

 

I do believe there is a higher power, a god, but like many other things in this country and in the US, religion has been co-opted and twisted to serve nefarious purposes. See also, nationalism, remembrance of war dead etc.

[bovril]

2 minutes ago, indierich06 said:

On the religion thing, I don't see how you can live in this country, see the needless suffering inflicted on so many poor people, workers, minorities - all in the name of lining the pockets of the privileged few - and easily accept that a benevolent god exists. A world where working nurses need to use food banks to survive, while wealthy layabouts can check into the Savoy when their heating's on the blink.

 

I do believe there is a higher power, a god, but like many other things in this country and in the US, religion has been co-opted and twisted to serve nefarious purposes. See also, nationalism, remembrance of war dead etc.

Well that's quite the dramatic switch from paragraph one to two. 

[Manley Farrington-Brown]

14 hours ago, David Oldfields Gate said:

Can I politely ask what you do for a living, or what formal education you have received as I am genuinely intrigued as to how you have reached this conclusion?

I'm assuming you're questioning whether dark ages magic sky pixie bullshit currently plays any part in education or government, and not challenging the assertion that dark ages magic sky pixie bullshit shouldn't play any part in them?

 

Well for starters it's a legal requirement that primary school children do a daily act of worship, and there are bishops in the house of lords.

[Guest David Oldfields Gate]

4 hours ago, Manley Farrington-Brown said:

I'm assuming you're questioning whether dark ages magic sky pixie bullshit currently plays any part in education or government, and not challenging the assertion that dark ages magic sky pixie bullshit shouldn't play any part in them?

 

Well for starters it's a legal requirement that primary school children do a daily act of worship, and there are bishops in the house of lords.

No I'm sorry but your assumption is incorrect. As it reads is precisely what I was asking.