Wesley Fofana

[Craig]

2 hours ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

What Tielemans did to this club was far worse than anything Fofana, Mahrez etc. did. While the other two may have forced a moved as they were advised to do, Tielemans gave up on us for over a year and then released a poxy video without any reference to the relegation he was a major part in. He is also no where near the quality of Fofana or Mahrez. Yet, when Tielemans returned, no where near as hostile as when Fofana returned. 

No matter what happened in the final year he remained respectful even if the perception was that he had downed tools (and he may well have). The problem that season was not just Tielemans, it was a malaise throughout the club - yes that he was a part of. 

 

He left on a free, but he was also been instrumental for years after having given us the greatest moment during a Leicester City match of all time. 

 

I'm not particularly fond of him now and I'll call him far worse tomorrow than I've called Fofana when talking about another season ending injury for him tonight, but Fofana is nowhere near the level of Tielemans' stature at the club.

 

 

Edited 3 January by Craig

[Mickyblueeyes]

Just now, Craig said:

No matter what happened in the final year he remained respectful even if the perception was that he had downed tools (and he may well have). The problem that season was not just Tielemans, it was a malaise throughout the club - yes that he was a part of. 

 

He left on a free, but he was also been instrumental for years after having given us the greatest moment during a Leicester City match of all time. 

 

I'm not particularly fond of him now and I'll call him far worse tomorrow than I've called Fofana when talking about another season ending injury for him tonight, but Fofana is nowhere near the level of Tielemans' statue at the club.

 

 

Ok I disagree. Fofana was also part of that FA Cup winning side. Mahrez was a major part of the greatest LCFC team of all time. Gave us the greatest moments we have seen and will ever see. They all had bad moments. Tielemans came out after saying he let himself go. 
 

The point is, while you might give Tielemans the benefit of the doubt. There is genuine reason to give the other two an equal benefit of doubt but it’s opinion. The reality is we pick and choose who the enemy is, you can’t give Tielemans the leeway when he has gone from strolling around the city ground when we were 2-0 down to leading a champions league midfield (hopefully he has an off day tomorrow) and then saying we can’t give the same leeway to Riyad Mahrez. 
 

Again it’s opinion but I am quite uncomfortable that a player like Mahrez who I class as the second best I’ve ever seen in a Leicester shirt is booed as intensely when compared to a Tielemans (and I recognise he scored that goal but it doesn’t compare for me). I also think it’s great we had someone of Fofana’s quality. 
 

Maybe the fair approach is all three should be given dog abuse lol.

[Craig]

1 minute ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

Ok I disagree. Fofana was also part of that FA Cup winning side. Mahrez was a major part of the greatest LCFC team of all time. Gave us the greatest moments we have seen and will ever see. They all had bad moments. Tielemans came out after saying he let himself go. 
 

The point is, while you might give Tielemans the benefit of the doubt. There is genuine reason to give the other two an equal benefit of doubt but it’s opinion. The reality is we pick and choose who the enemy is, you can’t give Tielemans the leeway when he has gone from strolling around the city ground when we were 2-0 down to leading a champions league midfield (hopefully he has an off day tomorrow) and then saying we can’t give the same leeway to Riyad Mahrez. 
 

Again it’s opinion but I am quite uncomfortable that a player like Mahrez who I class as the second best I’ve ever seen in a Leicester shirt is booed as intensely when compared to a Tielemans (and I recognise he scored that goal but it doesn’t compare for me). I also think it’s great we had someone of Fofana’s quality. 
 

Maybe the fair approach is all three should be given dog abuse lol.

Oh I agree on the final point  

 

But in time, I think we will certainly look back more favourably on Mahrez and Tielemans than Fofana.

 

I'd say Mahrez upset me a lot more than Fofana (or Tielemans), but what he went on to achieve was far beyond what he would achieve here and that's mellowed me a bit. 

 

Fofana... he may well go on to do that, and the way we've negligently spent the money wrangles too which isn't his fault, but I struggle to find any warmth towards him at all.

 

Fully expected him to do it to us after he joined us in the same way, but after his injury for him to leave how he did... I feel little towards him at all in terms of sympathy.

 

[RonnieTodger]

Wesley Wesley how’s your knee?

[majaco]

I don't get the lack of respect some show to those who won the FA Cup for us.

 

[cropstonfox]

Sorry to hear he's injured again,

Let's just hope it's not trivial. 

[Royston.]

3 hours ago, Craig said:

No matter what happened in the final year he remained respectful even if the perception was that he had downed tools (and he may well have). The problem that season was not just Tielemans, it was a malaise throughout the club - yes that he was a part of. 

 

He left on a free, but he was also been instrumental for years after having given us the greatest moment during a Leicester City match of all time. 

 

I'm not particularly fond of him now and I'll call him far worse tomorrow than I've called Fofana when talking about another season ending injury for him tonight, but Fofana is nowhere near the level of Tielemans' stature at the club.

 

 

Tielemans shit on his Leicester City legacy of scoring that goal at Wembley.

[Chrysalis]

5 hours ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

What Tielemans did to this club was far worse than anything Fofana, Mahrez etc. did. While the other two may have forced a moved as they were advised to do, Tielemans gave up on us for over a year and then released a poxy video without any reference to the relegation he was a major part in. He is also no where near the quality of Fofana or Mahrez. Yet, when Tielemans returned, no where near as hostile as when Fofana returned. 

These recent shenanigans show Mahrez wasnt that bad at all in comparison.

 

EPL player of the season but still signed an extension, that extension was long enough that even when he forced his way out there was enough time left for a big money sale and we ended getting 4 and half years out of him.  Plus yeah, even when not happy he had so much quality he was still stand out as a player.

[Mickyblueeyes]

13 hours ago, Craig said:

Oh I agree on the final point  

 

But in time, I think we will certainly look back more favourably on Mahrez and Tielemans than Fofana.

 

I'd say Mahrez upset me a lot more than Fofana (or Tielemans), but what he went on to achieve was far beyond what he would achieve here and that's mellowed me a bit. 

 

Fofana... he may well go on to do that, and the way we've negligently spent the money wrangles too which isn't his fault, but I struggle to find any warmth towards him at all.

 

Fully expected him to do it to us after he joined us in the same way, but after his injury for him to leave how he did... I feel little towards him at all in terms of sympathy.

 

But that’s the thing isn’t it, Mahrez is or should be as much a legend of this club as Tielemans. I know for a fact Mahrez wanted to come see a game on a few occasions after leaving but chose not to due to the hostility he experienced when returning as a player. Imagine that, a man who gave us some of the greatest moments in our history being reluctant to come back to the ground where it all happened. 
 

Can you imagine if that happened to Beckham or Ronaldo at United or Henry at Arsenal Suarez at Liverpool or, very soon, Trent at Liverpool. All left their clubs, at times it became uncomfortable and strained the relationship. Fully certified legends and treated so. 
 

My comment about Tielemans earlier, even you can’t fully defend him and even when someone says “but he scored the winner in the FA Cup” they can’t then defend him strolling around for 18 months or leaving us where he did. 
 

What people are not understanding is that as a club we should appreciate our history like other clubs. We take it so bloody personal that we simply can’t. Maguire, Kante, Mahrez, chilwell (ok maybe that is justified), Fofana and Maddison have all contributed to amazing moments for this club, each one has been booed on return. I just think it’s not needed. Like I said, no one can tell me why it is justified to boo say Maddison but not Tielemans. People follow the crowd.
 

So I am not asking people to attack their precious Youri. I’m instead saying we should be less sensitive and enjoy the history these players built for this club. Not pick and choose the good guy.

[South Shire Fox]

17 hours ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

What Tielemans did to this club was far worse than anything Fofana, Mahrez etc. did. While the other two may have forced a moved as they were advised to do, Tielemans gave up on us for over a year and then released a poxy video without any reference to the relegation he was a major part in. He is also no where near the quality of Fofana or Mahrez. Yet, when Tielemans returned, no where near as hostile as when Fofana returned. 

Fofana refused to train so he could force a move after we gave him the best possible treatment for his injury and a new bumper contract. The guy is an absolute snake and deserves all the abuse he gets at Leicester games. Tielemans was shite in his final year (like the majority of that team) but was overall a very good servant in his 4 years here and never disrupted the club like glass legs did. 

Edited 4 January by South Shire Fox

[Mickyblueeyes]

23 minutes ago, South Shire Fox said:

Fofana refused to train so he could force a move after we gave him the best possible treatment for his injury and a new bumper contract. The guy is an absolute snake and deserves all the abuse he gets at Leicester games. Tielemans was shite in his final year (like the majority of that team) but was overall a very good servant in his 4 years here and never disrupted the club like glass legs did. 

Ok. What about in comparison to Mahrez and Maguire who get booed and perhaps more so than Tielemans. 
 

My point was that we pick and choose villains. Not that we should be booing one more than the other. But perhaps we need to be a bit more accepting to players who leave and appreciate what has been done in their years here. Like I said, I feel uncomfortable that a certified legend and one of the best we have seen, Mahrez gets booed. 
 

Also, nothing has disrupted this club more than what the squad of 22/23 did (massively including Tielemans)  in the last ten years, nothing. Its set us back years. Yet they’re all playing at the top end of the PL now. 

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

I don't think you can't bracket the exit of one of our greatest ever players in Riyad Mahrez in with Fofana, you probably can't bracket him in with Tielemans either. 

 

Mahrez was still producing the goods when he left and his sale arguably helped fund a really solid summer of transfers (Ward aside lol).

 

Fofana had just come back from a major injury – it looks more insane with hindsight that Chelsea were willing to pay so much for someone who'd played a dozen or so games for us after his return. But the timing of his move shafted us, granted we were a disorganised mess, he can't be blamed for that.

 

Tielemans was phenomenal for a few years and gave us one of the best moments the club will ever have, but played like Touri Yielemans for his last year and ****ed off for nothing.

Edited 4 January by Miquel The Work Geordie

[Skidmark]

One of the greatest moments of his career was the game in which he sat in the stands. 

 

I can't remember who we were playing, but I think it was a night match. Fofana tried to drive his large Range Rover down Raw Dykes Road to get to the ground to park in the Player's car park.

 

It had been leaked and everyone knew he wasn't playing and was refusing to play for us. 

 

The marshals had closed the road at the traffic lights near to Spar and he was trying to get down the road whilst thousands of Leicester fans walked in the middle of road. He had to ditch his car in the Filbert Street Car Park, and then walk with the fans towards the ground. 

 

You should have seen his face. Sheepish. Few shouts of 'You forgot your boots Wes?' 

[Finnegan]

17 hours ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

What Tielemans did to this club was far worse than anything Fofana, Mahrez etc. did. While the other two may have forced a moved as they were advised to do, Tielemans gave up on us for over a year and then released a poxy video without any reference to the relegation he was a major part in. He is also no where near the quality of Fofana or Mahrez. Yet, when Tielemans returned, no where near as hostile as when Fofana returned. 

 

This is a really, really stupid take.

 

[FoxesWalk]

He’s a knobhead but I still don’t want to see his career ruined, wouldn’t wish the injury issues he has had on Dennis Wise, and Wes is a far, far better player.

Wes had potential to go on and be the best centre back in the world, in my opinion. 

Edited 4 January by FoxesWalk

[Mickyblueeyes]

12 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

This is a really, really stupid take.

 

Sigh. You do this quite a bit without ever adding any value Not one person has reacted like that despite a page of genuine debate progressing the discussion. Many will disagree with the take (as they have) and that’s perfectly fine. Not one, apart from you as usual has tried to be insulting. 
 

As I’ve said, I can’t understand why we do show aggression, disgust, disappointment, abuse (in the form of booing) to people like Mahrez, Kante, Maguire etc. all (including Tielemans) have been part of 10 years of insane progress of the club. Many will go down in LCFC history. My take on Tielemans is his contribution to the club pre 22/23 hurts far more. That goes for the entire FA Cup team. They should be as invincible as the title winners but there is a mark which forever remains. 
 

I mean you’re the guy who wrote essays on why Mourinho isn’t good enough for us so probably shows the intelligent levels. 
 

Read on in future and it might enable you to add to a discussion which is not aggressive and filled with idiotic insults. 
 

Happy to agree to disagree, keep well. 

Edited 4 January by Mickyblueeyes

[South Shire Fox]

23 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

Ok. What about in comparison to Mahrez and Maguire who get booed and perhaps more so than Tielemans. 
 

My point was that we pick and choose villains. Not that we should be booing one more than the other. But perhaps we need to be a bit more accepting to players who leave and appreciate what has been done in their years here. Like I said, I feel uncomfortable that a certified legend and one of the best we have seen, Mahrez gets booed. 
 

Also, nothing has disrupted this club more than what the squad of 22/23 did (massively including Tielemans)  in the last ten years, nothing. Its set us back years. Yet they’re all playing at the top end of the PL now. 

Mahrez went on strike so fully deserved his shite but as the years have gone on and after all his achievements at Man City people now appreciate him as the legend he fully deserves to be. Never understood the abuse for Maguire. Imagine its the fact he joined Man United for some people? 
 

Fofana is the worst out of the lot by a mile. 30 odd games then drops the club at the first oppurtunity. If we had accepted a bid while he was still giving his all then fair enough. However, going on strike, unsettling the squad and forcing a move just after signing a new contract and after we nursed him back from a serious injury was a complete disgrace. He owed us a year and he left us in the shit. The fact he doesnt understand the reception he gets just shows what an airhead he is
 

 

Edited 4 January by South Shire Fox

[South Shire Fox]

20 minutes ago, Skidmark said:

One of the greatest moments of his career was the game in which he sat in the stands. 

 

I can't remember who we were playing, but I think it was a night match. Fofana tried to drive his large Range Rover down Raw Dykes Road to get to the ground to park in the Player's car park.

 

It had been leaked and everyone knew he wasn't playing and was refusing to play for us. 

 

The marshals had closed the road at the traffic lights near to Spar and he was trying to get down the road whilst thousands of Leicester fans walked in the middle of road. He had to ditch his car in the Filbert Street Car Park, and then walk with the fans towards the ground. 

 

You should have seen his face. Sheepish. Few shouts of 'You forgot your boots Wes?' 

Southampton at home wasnt it? Capitulated and lost 2 1

Edited 4 January by South Shire Fox

[Finnegan]

15 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

You do this quite a bit without ever adding any value

 

No offence but there really isn't a lot of value to add if you genuinely believe what you're writing on here.

 

One is a petulent and silly child who (and he did it to his former club before us, so lets not kid ourselves here, it was always coming) threw his toys out of the pram to brute force himself out of a contract that he signed.

 

The other is a consumate professional who worked the entirety of that contract and fulfilled all of his obligations to the club.

 

Contracts go both ways, no footballer has an obligation to make sure he leaves a club early so they get a fee. We signed a deal saying we'd pay for him for X years and he agreed to play for us for X years and both parties stuck to their agreement.

 

He wasn't very good the year we went down but any suggestion he downed tools or was unprofessional is just moronic. There's no evidence of that whatsoever.

 

Anyone who'd even consider booing Tielemans, or Maddison for that matter, is a moron. 

 

Edited 4 January by Finnegan

[Mickyblueeyes]

29 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

No offence but there really isn't a lot of value to add if you genuinely believe what you're writing on here.

 

One is a petulent and silly child who (and he did it to his former club before us, so lets not kid ourselves here, it was always coming) threw his toys out of the pram to brute force himself out of a contract that he signed.

 

The other is a consumate professional who worked the entirety of that contract and fulfilled all of his obligations to the club.

 

Contracts go both ways, no footballer has an obligation to make sure he leaves a club early so they get a fee. We signed a deal saying we'd pay for him for X years and he agreed to play for us for X years and both parties stuck to their agreement.

 

He wasn't very good the year we went down but any suggestion he downed tools or was unprofessional is just moronic. There's no evidence of that whatsoever.

 

Anyone who'd even consider booing Tielemans, or Maddison for that matter, is a moron. 

 

If you read on that is exactly the point I was making. It’s quite simple We boo players and allocate hate to certain players. Guys like Mahrez, Maguire etc. It’s all subjective.

 

These players in recent years have all contributed to one of the greatest periods in this clubs history. Fabulous period, and returned exceptional fees in some cases. As I’ve now said 3 times, when we boo them, it sits uncomfortably with me. I don’t think we need to be so sensitive. How many of those great ex players come back in a few years. and I do think if you don’t agree with that, you’ve got issues. 

I hold Tielemans  at a high standard and his significant drop (and his admission) as he wasn’t at his standard hurts far more (to me) than Fofana leaving. I don’t boo any of them for the record - and this is despite being absolutely furious at some. 

 

Like I said, very little value as usual,

 

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Edited 4 January by Mickyblueeyes

[don_danbury]

6 hours ago, Miquel The Work Geordie said:

I don't think you can't bracket the exit of one of our greatest ever players in Riyad Mahrez in with Fofana, you probably can't bracket him in with Tielemans either. 

 

Mahrez was still producing the goods when he left and his sale arguably helped fund a really solid summer of transfers (Ward aside lol).

 

Fofana had just come back from a major injury – it looks more insane with hindsight that Chelsea were willing to pay so much for someone who'd played a dozen or so games for us after his return. But the timing of his move shafted us, granted we were a disorganised mess, he can't be blamed for that.

 

Tielemans was phenomenal for a few years and gave us one of the best moments the club will ever have, but played like Touri Yielemans for his last year and ****ed off for nothing.

that's stretching it a bit. he was phenomenal with his loan spell and in 2020/21. he wasnt that great in the other seasons, except from scoring a few bangers