Cooper - OUT

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

Get him out baby!

[Chelmofox]

Just now, Bob Weasel Fox said:

I think even Cooper realises he has a long way to go to convince a decent percentage of our fanbase he is the solution 

 

I think as long as we get results that will give him time 

From my perspective, he's not ever convincing any of his he's any solution to anything.

 

But it's probably an unpopular opinion, but i think he keeps us up this season and i think he does it a little more comfortably than many of us currently think. I really want him to unleash the best attacking team we have, but it pains me to agree that he is right playing Ayew, and being difficult to beat isn't a bad thing right now. We've been largely dog turd but competitive, and after 7 games i think being competitive and sitting 15th isn't a bad thing.  I have to remember the absolute drubbings we took in the relegation season, and think we are currently sitting better than then.

 

I would like to think the trajectory is survival this season, replace Cooper next season with some good recruitment and some of our youth coming through, and we start competing for mid table again. I don't see Cooper ever getting us mid table.

[Dahnsouff]

11 minutes ago, Chelmofox said:

From my perspective, he's not ever convincing any of his he's any solution to anything.

 

But it's probably an unpopular opinion, but i think he keeps us up this season and i think he does it a little more comfortably than many of us currently think. I really want him to unleash the best attacking team we have, but it pains me to agree that he is right playing Ayew, and being difficult to beat isn't a bad thing right now. We've been largely dog turd but competitive, and after 7 games i think being competitive and sitting 15th isn't a bad thing.  I have to remember the absolute drubbings we took in the relegation season, and think we are currently sitting better than then.

 

I would like to think the trajectory is survival this season, replace Cooper next season with some good recruitment and some of our youth coming through, and we start competing for mid table again. I don't see Cooper ever getting us mid table.

As long as he is the solution to a seemingly likely relegation then I am largely indifferent to his style, as this season was never about artistic appeal but survival. Would likely replace with a project guy should we survive.

Edited 6 October 2024 by Dahnsouff

[FrankieADZ]

9 hours ago, Aus Fox said:

Of course they will change their views, as should everyone - the more evidence that becomes available, the more people should change their views.

The flip side could also be asked, how would opinions change if we win all three games? 15 points from 10 games is a very healthy total?

6 from 10 is not good enough. 
Don’t think of this though as Cooper in Vs Cooper our people, it’s really not that simple.

Some choose to look at the negatives in everything and to change that around we need to change everything, some chose to see the positive in everything and see things as not too bad a start at all. 
The truth is probably somewhere in the middle and the jury is still out. 

tbf going from what we've all seen so far this season we'd be very shocked if we won all 3, 

on the whole tho there are alot more negatives compared to positives id say with Cooper

7 hours ago, ozleicester said:

Cooper out people.

If we win our next 5 games would you still want him out?  

win the next 5

5 hours ago, FOXSE said:

Cooper out people,,I it takes 7 points from 9, would you want him to stay?

going on our performances this season, think everyone will be gobsmacked if that happens

[Bourbon Fox]

1 hour ago, KP Fox said:

I don't give a Fuch about Cooper being boring as long as this season he makes us difficult to beat and that's exactly what he is doing! 

Our xGA is the second-lowest in the league and we're outperforming it because we have been incredibly lucky, not because it's hard to carve us open.

 

Arsenal had 36 shots and our keeper won man of the match. Bournemouth had 34 touches in our box yesterday, and 9 corners. Yesterday was our first clean sheet. We've conceded 12 goals in 7 games.

 

 

36 minutes ago, KP Fox said:

Well who picks the goalkeeper? 

You can't be serious 

Edited 6 October 2024 by Bourbon Fox

[KP Fox]

30 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

Difficult to beat means you make it difficult for teams to create chances, we are on average conceding 19 chances per game, been reliant on our keeper performing heroics and rank bad finishing, we are not difficult just very bloody lucky at the moment, when our luck does run out we will be on the end of some right thumpings if we don’t sort it out. 

Well in that case why do we wanna get rid of our lucky manager. Lucky or boring - I don't give a farken flyin' fuch - as long as we stay up - and that's what's gonna happen with this current mansger

[Dahnsouff]

1 minute ago, Bourbon Fox said:

Our xGA is the second-lowest in the league and we're outperforming it because we have been incredibly lucky, not because it's hard to carve us open.

 

Arsenal had 36 shots and our keeper won man of the match. Bournemouth had 34 touches in our box yesterday, and 9 corners. Yesterday was our first clean sheet. We've conceded 12 goals in 7 games.

 

...

Yet one we narrowly lost (despite getting battered,  like proper battered) and the other we won. Stats tell us plenty, just not what is relevant on a per game basis. I (reluctantly ) agree with @The Doctor that if these stats are continued indefinitely it will become a problem, but as a one game snapshot, they are nigh on useless as an indicator of trends or as a useful predictor.

[HesNotGudjonsonn2]

I’m hoping that, from Fatawu’s cameo yesterday, Cooper gives it a go next match and plays Mavadidi, Fatawu and Buonanotte..

[ClaphamFox]

4 minutes ago, HesNotGudjonsonn2 said:

I’m hoping that, from Fatawu’s cameo yesterday, Cooper gives it a go next match and plays Mavadidi, Fatawu and Buonanotte..

Not a chance he’ll drop Ayew.

[Hinckleyfox]

15 minutes ago, Bourbon Fox said:

Our xGA is the second-lowest in the league and we're outperforming it because we have been incredibly lucky, not because it's hard to carve us open.

 

Arsenal had 36 shots and our keeper won man of the match. Bournemouth had 34 touches in our box yesterday, and 9 corners. Yesterday was our first clean sheet. We've conceded 12 goals in 7 games.

 

 

You can't be serious 

I keep reading how “lucky” we’ve been but I’m sorry that doesn’t wash. Don’t get me wrong there were nail biting moments yesterday but actually I trust our defence now much more than I did last year. Pre season people were saying okoli was a bomb scare waste of money.

 And he has consistently been one of our better players. Yes we are under the kosh most games, but I’d say in the main we look pretty solid at the back and that is not something that we had under maresca. 
 

don’t get me wrong, I think we win yesterday in spite of cooper, and actually I’m more keen for him to go now than I was.. but going after the defensive record is not where we should focussing. 

[Bourbon Fox]

15 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Yet one we narrowly lost (despite getting battered,  like proper battered) and the other we won. Stats tell us plenty, just not what is relevant on a per game basis. I (reluctantly ) agree with @The Doctor that if these stats are continued indefinitely it will become a problem, but as a one game snapshot, they are nigh on useless as an indicator of trends or as a useful predictor.

Sure, but I'm using the stats to refute the idea that we're hard to beat.

 

We're outperforming the stats and yes, we are very unlikely to do this over many games.

 

Hard-to-beat sides are organised and very hard to break down. Our stats over 630 minutes of league football show that we're neither.

Edited 6 October 2024 by Bourbon Fox

[Bourbon Fox]

1 minute ago, Hinckleyfox said:

I keep reading how “lucky” we’ve been but I’m sorry that doesn’t wash. Don’t get me wrong there were nail biting moments yesterday 

Like when they hit the post, and the bar, and had a goal disallowed for offside, and missed 2 sitters...

[Matt]

Whilst it's true and I cannot argue when people throw the "on another day we could have lost, they hit the post, the bar, had X amount of shots".

 

Yet we were instantly shut down and not allowed to talk hypotheticals when I and others said similar this about Rodgers or Enzo (Not so much with Enzo, as I always say I actually enjoyed last season, accepting and understanding what he was doing, where we were and with a better team than most in the league - but did criticise on certain things where I saw fit and fearing what the future could have been).

 

As I keep saying, we could have lost, we could have been hammered in other games, but we haven't, equally we've had chances to win or draw those same games and likewise, we didn't.

[Bourbon Fox]

3 minutes ago, Matt said:

Whilst it's true and I cannot argue when people throw the "on another day we could have lost, they hit the post, the bar, had X amount of shots".

 

Yet we were instantly shut down and not allowed to talk hypotheticals when I and others said similar this about Rodgers or Enzo (Not so much with Enzo, as I always say I actually enjoyed last season, accepting and understanding what he was doing, where we were and with a better team than most in the league - but did criticise on certain things where I saw fit and fearing what the future could have been).

 

As I keep saying, we could have lost, we could have been hammered in other games, but we haven't, equally we've had chances to win or draw those same games and likewise, we didn't.

So are you agreeing with the statement that Cooper is making us 'hard to beat'?

[Fear Of The Fox]

6 minutes ago, Matt said:

Whilst it's true and I cannot argue when people throw the "on another day we could have lost, they hit the post, the bar, had X amount of shots".

 

Yet we were instantly shut down and not allowed to talk hypotheticals when I and others said similar this about Rodgers or Enzo (Not so much with Enzo, as I always say I actually enjoyed last season, accepting and understanding what he was doing, where we were and with a better team than most in the league - but did criticise on certain things where I saw fit and fearing what the future could have been).

 

As I keep saying, we could have lost, we could have been hammered in other games, but we haven't, equally we've had chances to win or draw those same games and likewise, we didn't.

As long as we're picking up points I don't care. We have 3 winnable games next. 9 points and even without a proper manager we're suddenly in top 10 form and it will take a big shift of events to get relegated from that point. 

[Dahnsouff]

Just now, Fear Of The Fox said:

As long as we're picking up points I don't care. We have 3 winnable games next. 9 points and even without a proper manager we're suddenly in top 10 form and it will take a big shift of events to get relegated from that point. 

Think 9 points is an unrealistic expectation, but as close as we can please.

[The Doctor]

28 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Yet one we narrowly lost (despite getting battered,  like proper battered) and the other we won. Stats tell us plenty, just not what is relevant on a per game basis. I (reluctantly ) agree with @The Doctor that if these stats are continued indefinitely it will become a problem, but as a one game snapshot, they are nigh on useless as an indicator of trends or as a useful predictor.

one game snapshot you're quite right, ideally you want a minimum of 5 or 6 games to assess on (gives you trending data and evens out ridiculous single over/under performances) and you'd do so on a rolling basis to assess changes in performance. unfortunately, we're 7 games in and it does look bad.

[Matt]

4 minutes ago, Bourbon Fox said:

So are you agreeing with the statement that Cooper is making us 'hard to beat'?

I think we've been competitive, we've always been in games and we're around the points I expected us to be on at this point.

 

Listen, it's not all rosy under Cooper, questions can be asked and things have got to improve, but I don't quite understand the mass hysteria, pissing and moaning, not when so much has been let go for years!

[Fear Of The Fox]

3 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Think 9 points is an unrealistic expectation, but as close as we can please.

How a series of games against Southampton, Forest and Ipswich has an unrealistic expectation of 9pts? As I said, win all of them and we're staying up. 

[KP Fox]

33 minutes ago, Bourbon Fox said:

Our xGA is the second-lowest in the league and we're outperforming it because we have been incredibly lucky, not because it's hard to carve us open.

 

Arsenal had 36 shots and our keeper won man of the match. Bournemouth had 34 touches in our box yesterday, and 9 corners. Yesterday was our first clean sheet. We've conceded 12 goals in 7 games.

 

 

You can't be serious 

Yes I am farken serious! We got relegated because of a previous manager's inability to keep hold of a world class goalkeeper and then he stubbornly kept playing Ward instead of Iverson and then to top it all off he only goes and takes the afore mentioned world class goalkeeper to Farken Celtic! 

[Dahnsouff]

Just now, Fear Of The Fox said:

How a series of games against Southampton, Forest and Ipswich has an unrealistic expectation of 9pts? As I said, win all of them and we're staying up. 

Because Forest aren't quite the same dumb ass whipping boy any longer unfortunately, they are currently holding Chelsea at home. Would sure like 3 points from them though!

[iancognito]

30 minutes ago, HesNotGudjonsonn2 said:

I’m hoping that, from Fatawu’s cameo yesterday, Cooper gives it a go next match and plays Mavadidi, Fatawu and Buonanotte..

Not. A. Chance.

 

Fatawu is far too exciting for Steve. A maverick like that is capable of anything, perhaps even a goal. Best he stays on the bench.

[KP Fox]

27 minutes ago, Bourbon Fox said:

Like when they hit the post, and the bar, and had a goal disallowed for offside, and missed 2 sitters...

You can stick the post, the bar, the disallowed goals and missed sitters up your ar$e coz it’s actual goals that count and those goals scored gives you results and this is a results business and we are unbeaten in 7 out of 10 matches in all competitions this season! 

[MGLCFC]

3 minutes ago, KP Fox said:

You can stick the post, the bar, the disallowed goals and missed sitters up your ar$e coz it’s actual goals that count and those goals scored gives you results and this is a results business and we are unbeaten in 7 out of 10 matches in all competitions this season! 

Are you suggesting you are enthused and optimistic about the way we are set up and play under Cooper. Yes, it's all about goals, but for the most part we don't look like scoring many. Yes I understand we've scored in every game, but it's not as though we look like we could score at will. Luck is likely to change, goals could dry up and opposing teams take their chances. I hope I'm wrong, but the players don't look inspired by the tactics deployed and as a fee paying supporter, it's not that great to watch.

[BlackFox]

Those who defend him remind me of those who defended BR in his last season, and we all know how that ended.